Content Post Idle thoughts: The "long way to go" edition.

[n1997y]

Interesting. I would think the primary responsibility is to end the runner's advance. Keeping the runner in-bounds is great, but compromising your ability to stop him doesn't sound like a good tradeoff.

Primary, but not sole responsibility. Keeping the clock running in that situation is very important too. So ending the runner’s advance by putting him immediately out of bounds and thus also immediately stopping the clock is not as good as turning him inside to keep the clock running IF AND ONLY IF he is stopped reasonably soon thereafter. And reasonably soon could be five yards, perhaps even more. So the quality of that tradeoff is hard to judge, and depends on the future performance of teammates not in your view at the time.

 

[VrabelJr]

We can’t be a top defense with our LBs and Safeties. Good QBs are going to pick us apart because of deficiencies at those positions.

 

[Wozzy]

It was both, IMO. If Borregales misses that forces the issue and his likely replacement is in camp tomorrow. Yet the game situation was such that Vrabel had no better option but to let him try to make it.

He only let him kick after the penalty gave him little choice but to let him do so.

IMO that's not really showing faith.

There's a Springsteen lyric that fits the situation: "can't tell my courage from my desperation".

The penalty made an easy down conversation harder, thus the field goal. When you have a mobile QB, a short down is easy to grab. The Pat’s offense even executed a tush push yesterday.

A lack of faith there is a punt, not a 53 yard field goal. Andy already hit a 22 yarder earlier.

 

[upstater1]

How many of you would have stuck with a rookie kicker who missed 8 FGs? And then averaged 80% over his first 6 years? The guy was 8-14 from 40-49 yards.

 

[rochrist]

LOL!

Vrabel had already decided he wasn't 'his guy' on 4th and five!

He only became 'his guy' after the penalty took them out of 4th and five thus shifting the odds of making it with the offense even worse than 4th and five!

God, you do love to ball-wash coaches, don't you?

Why not just call it as it was, a choice made out of desperation that just happened to turn out well?

What would you be saying about the coach's decision if the kicker missed wide on that same play?

It was fourth and 2.

 

[sb1]

We can’t be a top defense with our LBs and Safeties. Good QBs are going to pick us apart because of deficiencies at those positions.

Absolutely not and yes they will. That's why I say top 15 maybe but top 5 lol no. This isn't a quick fix.

 

[Bill Lee]

I hate censorship so have not explored Ian’s muting tools but I’m about to start putting some bad actors on permanent ignore if I can’t at least redact them from threads where they lose it totally.

Seriously, you should use muting tools as well as Thread Ignore, it makes for a much better experience here.

It's not censorship any more than changing a TV channel or a radio station you don't like.

If you expect that everyone will eventually converge on civil and well-reasoned online discussions, I feel you are going to be more and more disappointed each day.

Some extended thoughts I just typed in just two weeks ago:

I often ask people if they don't like a topic or a user why not use the mute/ignore functions, and the response often is them telling me that they are open-minded, value all points of view, and are able to ignore things that I am unable to ignore.

My perception of that is that they are flexing about how much better they are at the whole communications thing than I am, and maybe they are.

My point of view is that I'm here to have enjoyable interactions, not to test how good I am at tolerating the deep negativism we often encounter, so I find block/ignore tools to be really helpful.

And of course other people can find my opinions on some topics are deeply negative, and if it gets to the point of them making is so they are not enjoying this site I hope they block/ignore me as needed too.

Ref: RE: Quick Reminder on the Thread Ignore

 

[sb1]

Seriously, you should use muting tools as well as Thread Ignore, it makes for a much better experience here.

It's not censorship any more than changing a TV channel or a radio station you don't like.

If you expect that everyone will eventually converge on civil and well-reasoned online discussions, I feel you are going to be more and more disappointed each day.

Some extended thoughts I just typed in just two weeks ago:



Ref: RE: Quick Reminder on the Thread Ignore

Yep and I have one example of that already. I put them on ignore and they refused to do so when I suggested they do the same in return.
Only posters who get their jollies trolling other people would refuse such a thing. Nuff said.

 

[Zoomnbyu]

Thanks for trying. Really appreciate your effort in the OP writeup. Please don’t let the monkeys flinging poo that hijacked the thread dissuade you from trying again after future games. Your insights are always very informative and helpful. It’s just too bad that some kids prefer a food fight to civil dinner table conversation. I hate censorship so have not explored Ian’s muting tools but I’m about to start putting some bad actors on permanent ignore if I can’t at least redact them from threads where they lose it totally.

What Ian really needs to add is a time-out box feature where the rest of us can vote them off the island and into a padded cell where they can only post replies to each other until they both STFU for some period. I’d suggest 48 hours, but that might turn into a permaban so less would be ok, just enough to show they have calmed down and can exercise self control.

Or maybe the mods could temporary ban them if they get enough complaints. Two pages of nothing but sniping back and forth on this thread is well past the point where a kindergarten teacher would have them sitting facing the wall in opposite sides of the room until they straightened up, IMO. Maybe we need some of that in this forum?

I made the suggestion a weekish ago that we have a way similar to soccer league downgrades where posters get moved to The Practice Squad Forum based on percentage of folks that had muted them.

 

[Bill Lee]

I made the suggestion a weekish ago that we have a way similar to soccer league downgrades where posters get moved to The Practice Squad Forum based on percentage of folks that had muted them.

I presume this means you're already using the tools you do have access too, right?

@Ian has been doing this a long time. There's good reasons why he invests his time in implementing certain tools certain ways and doesn't implement other tools.

IMO we should give him the benefit of the doubt and try using the tools he's already spent time working on.

 

[n1997y]

I made the suggestion a weekish ago that we have a way similar to soccer league downgrades where posters get moved to The Practice Squad Forum based on percentage of folks that had muted them.

I like that idea!

 

[Bill Lee]

I like that idea!

Ok, let's see your code to implement it.

 

[Zoomnbyu]

I presume this means you're already using the tools you do have access too, right?

@Ian has been doing this a long time. There's good reasons why he invests his time in implementing certain tools certain ways and doesn't implement other tools.

IMO we should give him the benefit of the doubt and try using the tools he's already spent time working on.

I've spent the last 16 years of my corp America career designing user interfaces and process improvements for web based interfaces. I appreciate more that I can express @Ian work on this site but rule number 1 in technology based user interactions is listening to people with other experiences.

 

[DC Patriots]

I made the suggestion a weekish ago that we have a way similar to soccer league downgrades where posters get moved to The Practice Squad Forum based on percentage of folks that had muted them.

PFF Thunderdome.

Two posters enter, one leaves.

Two posters, who have failed to resolve their differences, rather than have them continue in multiple threads, will be placed into their own thread to resolve the conflict through brutal 1:1 combat.

Rules will be established in advance, weapons agreed to by mutual consent. Memes? Statistical Tables? Belichick Masturbation Insinuations?

Winner to be decided by popular vote. Victor shall be wreathed in glory. And shall have their victory immortalized in their signature block (because nobody really cares that you one weekly pick ‘em in 2019). Loser shall be banished to the practice squad

 

[Bill Lee]

I've spent the last 16 years of my corp America career designing user interfaces and process improvements for web based interfaces. I appreciate more that I can express @Ian work on this site but rule number 1 in technology based user interactions is listening to people with other experiences.

History shows he asks for feedback on new features all the time, and as above, the tools he's implemented are the ones he thinks will work. I for one use them and find them effective.

 

[Zoomnbyu]

Ok, let's see your code to implement it.

Push a report pulling off the existing db of users muted by the most posters with a tie breaker of same users threads muted. We're like a nested if then statement db server call response from implementation.*

* I'm like 30 years since any real coding so syntax might be fubar'd.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Good to see most Patsfans weren't panicked when they lost and of course aren't going overboard with a sloppy but appreciated win.

The Good is obviously that Maye and the passing game look pretty good - with Maye TWICE making big somethings out of nothing when the OL didn't do their job and the pocket collapsed. (OL play is still a BIG work in progress)

Defense and Special Teams? Well when you give up nearly 30 points to the Fins, a return for TD, and missed FGs there's a lot to be upgraded.

But we continue to see Maye/Josh spread the field - and almost like they were taking my advice, we saw them integrate Stevenson into the passing game, and Mack Hollins as a goal-line resource, almost like an extra TE.

They are stretching the field enough and spreading the ball enough to make game planning difficult, and now teams will REALLY be wondering whether it's a run or pass play regardless of which RB is on the field.

Now if Maye doesn't step up and make those big plays when the OL was collapsing, we're talking about a very different outcome here - so there needs to be some more moves to upgrade our depth there. I think we could see Conley promoted from PS by the next game, and some additional PS additions for the OL as well.

Not to mention kicker tryouts. Geeze.

 

[Zoomnbyu]

History shows he asks for feedback on new features all the time, and as above, the tools he's implemented are the ones he thinks will work. I for one use them and find them effective.

Are you guys dating or something? I made a suggestion otherwise known as an idea prior to feedback being requested on an existing idea and you're defensive over it? Weird.

 

[sb1]

Well when you give up nearly 30 points to the Fins

Top 5 defense. Apparently. Lol

 

[n1997y]

Ok, let's see your code to implement it.

You paying my customary rates? I’m not cheap. I’ve been paid to write code for over fifty years. Only time I didn’t deliver working software was when DEC laid me off halfway through the assignment. So, bring it on.

I’ll just need access to Ian’s source tree…