Why haven't Drake's fundamentals been fixed?

[Wozzy]

“Mechanics” is code for I don’t like they guy so let me come up with a reason.

So you don’t think “mechanics” is a thing?

Is that true in golf, billiards, baseball and basketball?

That’s why you see high percentage NBA free throw shooters step to the line and do the same exact thing every time… almost ritually?

 

[Huckleberry1]

One of the problems with this discussion is that people seem to want two different things at the same time. On the one hand people want him to use his athleticism to move around and make plays, on the other they seem to want strict adherence to fundamentals and throwing mechanics. However fundamentals go out the window the second he goes in the move; then he’s throwing off platform. And in both situations he is going to have moments where he makes both good and bad plays. IMO people just need to chill out, let him fully learn this system, and let him develop into a good QB. This is the most athletically talented this franchise has ever had, and he shouldn’t be rushed and run out of town on a rail simply because it takes time for him to develop. And the upside if he does develop is a Josh Allen level QB, and that would make for a great decade of football.

 

[p8ryts]

One of the problems with this discussion is that people seem to want two different things at the same time. On the one hand people want him to use his athleticism to move around and make plays, on the other they seem to want strict adherence to fundamentals and throwing mechanics. However fundamentals go out the window the second he goes in the move; then he’s throwing off platform. And in both situations he is going to have moments where he makes both good and bad plays. IMO people just need to chill out, let him fully learn this system, and let him develop into a good QB. This is the most athletically talented this franchise has ever had, and he shouldn’t be rushed and run out of town on a rail simply because it takes time for him to develop. And the upside if he does develop is a Josh Allen level QB, and that would make for a great decade of football.

One can only hope. The two best QBs I've watched were Brady and Unitas. No one ever used the word athletic while discussing them. Maybe non-athletic.

 

[Huckleberry1]

One can only hope. The two best QBs I've watched were Brady and Unitas. No one ever used the word athletic while discussing them. Maybe non-athletic.

It’s funny, we’re having the discussion about mechanics and “ hero ball,” and last night I watched Brady complete a pass while laying on his back.

 

[Ring 6]

......or seeing a QB who has had multitudes of coaches working with him at every level since high school not stepping into throws and tossing airballs with regularity.

Show me examples. Give me the plays in the last game where he REGULARLY did not step into throws and “tossed air balls”.
What is “regularly”? One in 3?
You’ve got 46 of them from last week, 16 of which weren’t completed. I think you are wrong but would like you to show me proof.
One in 3 is 15. How many can you show me? Lazar showed me one in his 22 minute film review

 

[dliverey44]

He does have a tendency to throw off his back foot (TD to pop), he also short strides on some of his passes which can cause a high ball(1st incompletion to Pop) and there are times he does not stride. To be fair, you can find a hand full of throws from every QB that they do the same off the back foot or short stride.

Maye threw off his back foot on the 4th and 1 pass to Hollins, it didn't matter on that pass but he did it when it was not necessary and I think that is the issue. Its the frequency of his inconsistency.

 

[Ring 6]

He does have a tendency to throw off his back foot (TD to pop), he also short strides on some of his passes which can cause a high ball(1st incompletion to Pop) and there are times he does not stride. To be fair, you can find a hand full of throws from every QB that they do the same off the back foot or short stride.

Maye threw off his back foot on the 4th and 1 pass to Hollins, it didn't matter on that pass but he did it when it was not necessary and I think that is the issue. Its the frequency of his inconsistency.

Throwing a short timing pass that comes open during your drop without setting and stepping into it is correct, not “throwing off your back foot”
I swear people hear terms they don’t understand then look for examples which aren’t what is meant by the term.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Its like asking why is Drake 22 years old? Fans can be so utterly stupid. The kid has been doing thinds as a QB one way for most of his life, he comes into a bunch or idiot coaches for a year, and at 22 you want to know why he isn't Tom Brady. Its so frikin stupid.

 

[imahobgoblin]

He does have a tendency to throw off his back foot (TD to pop), he also short strides on some of his passes which can cause a high ball(1st incompletion to Pop) and there are times he does not stride. To be fair, you can find a hand full of throws from every QB that they do the same off the back foot or short stride.

Maye threw off his back foot on the 4th and 1 pass to Hollins, it didn't matter on that pass but he did it when it was not necessary and I think that is the issue. Its the frequency of his inconsistency.

Drake is not Mac Jones. Throwing off the back foot can be done if the arm is strong enough. Peyton and Rogers got away with it all the time. No, I am not saying its ideal, but Drake is not noodle arm Mac.

 

[dliverey44]

Throwing a short timing pass that comes open during your drop without setting and stepping into it is correct, not “throwing off your back foot”
I swear people hear terms they don’t understand then look for examples which aren’t what is meant by the term.

LOL....OK

I assure you that I have spent enough time around the game to notice details and not just regurgitate the terms that I hear.

 

[dliverey44]

Drake is not Mac Jones. Throwing off the back foot can be done if the arm is strong enough. Peyton and Rogers got away with it all the time. No, I am not saying its ideal, but Drake is not noodle arm Mac.

Never said it is bad, but he tends to do it when the pocket is clean and driving the ball might be more beneficial.

 

[Thelonious]

I recall fundamentals were a huge point of emphasis last year, and if memory serves, he made significant progress. But now his fundamentals are being called out as partly responsible for his inaccuracy, both in preseason and last Sunday. So, are his fundamentals still a big issue? And if yes, why did he regress? Why didn't he come back this spring with those locked down? If he was even moderately like TB12 in terms of his drive to be better, he'd have been working over the whole offseason to improve fundamentals. Either he didn't work very hard on it, or he did and it didn't take. Both are red flags to me. Am I off base here?

I think this is an important question. It is entirely fine for Josh to focus on getting Drake squared away on his role in the new scheme, but there should be someone - isn't there a qb coach? - who can continue to work with Drake on his fundamentals. You don't have to be an expert - it suffices to have watched Brady for all those years, for purposes of comparison - to see that Drake's feet are all over the place. Tom, as I recall, used to drill that sort of thing continually through his whole career. iI understand Drake is not the sort old-school pocket passer Brady was, because of different physical skills in large part, but there is no reason Drake can't make progress in minding his footwork. Some of it might be his scatterbrained manner, but not all of it. It's a skill, not a gift, and you can work at it.

 

[Ring 6]

LOL....OK

I assure you that I have spent enough time around the game to notice details and not just regurgitate the terms that I hear.

Well that’s what you are doing whether you are capable of more or not.

 

[Triumph]

several years?

As a college player, his mechanics we so poor that he was the consensus #3 pick in the draft.

If this were such an issue, he would have been drafted lower.

If you mean that last year's coaching didn't assess his deficiencies well enough. Well, duh!

Each and every draft some QBs are advertised as the next sensations.

We saw this with Trevor Lawrence. We saw it in the Mac Jones draft. Now were seeing it in the Maye draft. Both Williams and Maye are still being lauded as studs and some are still comparing their 2024 draft to 1983, After a while, the fragrance dissipates from the rose and there is nobody left to blame.

Today we blame McDaniel's.

 

[Bill Lee]

One of the problems with this discussion is that people seem to want two different things at the same time. On the one hand people want him to use his athleticism to move around and make plays, on the other they seem to want strict adherence to fundamentals and throwing mechanics. However fundamentals go out the window the second he goes in the move; then he’s throwing off platform. And in both situations he is going to have moments where he makes both good and bad plays. IMO people just need to chill out, let him fully learn this system, and let him develop into a good QB. This is the most athletically talented this franchise has ever had, and he shouldn’t be rushed and run out of town on a rail simply because it takes time for him to develop. And the upside if he does develop is a Josh Allen level QB, and that would make for a great decade of football.

Too much logic. Let's go with the idea that he's lazy (without any evidence of that) and see where that takes us.

 

[Bill Lee]

Drake is not Mac Jones. Throwing off the back foot can be done if the arm is strong enough. Peyton and Rogers got away with it all the time. No, I am not saying its ideal, but Drake is not noodle arm Mac.

Oh but Mac had coaching since Pee Wee Football too! Wah!

 

[Wozzy]

Drake threw for the 8th most passing yards in week one. So it wasn't as bad as some are making it out to be.

That being said, expecting or asking him to set his feet and throw is not too much. It's not something he can ignore because his arm is strong... that's silly.

Drake needs to do better, McD needs to do much better as coordinator, all the players around Maye need to do better. Drake wasn't that bad, he just needs to keep improving.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Just saying, that the coaches have been preaching that to him for several years. He either hasn't put in the time or is maybe not capable.

Maybe Maye had a Piazza moment. Remember when Ted Williams told a young Mike Piazza, "Don't let them change your swing"? It's one thing when the greatest hitter of all time says it, but maybe someone prominent told Drake to go with what has worked for him since high school. Speculation, but I'm just trying to make sense of what we're seeing.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Too much logic. Let's go with the idea that he's lazy (without any evidence of that) and see where that takes us.

Agree completely.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He does have a tendency to throw off his back foot (TD to pop), he also short strides on some of his passes which can cause a high ball(1st incompletion to Pop) and there are times he does not stride. To be fair, you can find a hand full of throws from every QB that they do the same off the back foot or short stride.

Maye threw off his back foot on the 4th and 1 pass to Hollins, it didn't matter on that pass but he did it when it was not necessary and I think that is the issue. Its the frequency of his inconsistency.

I felt like it was more a matter of his stride being 1/2 inch too short, and his arm was 2 degrees lower than it should have been.