Vrabel tells it like it is about the Pats drafting

[TheRainMaker]

Green Bay has given up two first round picks and is paying a linebacker $47mm per year (ie QB money) who may have back issues. In return they have increased their odds of winning the Super Bowl from roughly 5% to 7%/8%. Bad use of draft captial and cap space.

Green Bay is getting desperate and is probably tired of relying only the draft. While building through the draft is ideal, it isn't full proof. There's going to be a point where you as a GM are going to have to take a swing on another player. GB hasn't shown enough that they were going to contend with Philly or Detroit. There's a lot of competition in the NFC.

With that said, this was a stupid ass trade that we'll be talking about in a few years.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Washington's roster last season in comparison to ours least season wasn't talent rich.. they caught fire and rode the momentum to the post season. We need to assert ourselves and get this week 1 win to set the stage for the rest of the season.

I agree, although Washington and Philly both benefited from Dallas imploding. I don't think they would've gotten passed Detroit had there not been injuries on defense. San Francisco having injuries helped as well.

With that said, I think the Commanders have a better team than what they started with last season.

 

[JohnJH]

If Onwenu has a great season I could see them extending him short term. There’s no need to go looking for a new offensive line every offseason, continuity on the line is a good thing.

If Wallace can play well at RG (what he was best projected to be before he was drafted), Onwenu could get cut next year when his cap hit goes down and I believe they pocket a nice chunk of change. The previous Personnel Department/Leadership gave him near RT money. Vrabel doesn't have to live with that, especially if he has a younger player that can do the job at least as well.

 

[Wozzy]

If Wallace can play well at RG (what he was best projected to be before he was drafted), Onwenu could get cut next year when his cap hit goes down and I believe they pocket a nice chunk of change. The previous Personnel Department/Leadership gave him near RT money. Vrabel doesn't have to live with that, especially if he has a younger player that can do the job at least as well.

Big if, Wallace was drafted as a tackle, I think he’s backing up at guard because he wasn’t good at tackle and was the best of a very ordinary lot at guard, especially with Strange presumably not accepting a backup role in a contract year.

Also I was very careful with my words, I said if Onwenu had a good season. Based on his entire career in Tennessee and everything we’ve seen here, Vrabel values a big powerful offensive line. There’s nobody bigger than 350 pound Onwenu, he can be a force on 3rd and short. It would be a big step down to Wallace unless he gets substantially stronger and better.

 

[Zuma]

Big if, Wallace was drafted as a tackle, I think he’s backing up at guard because he wasn’t good at tackle and was the best of a very ordinary lot at guard, especially with Strange presumably not accepting a backup role in a contract year.

Also I was very careful with my words, I said if Onwenu had a good season. Based on his entire career in Tennessee and everything we’ve seen here, Vrabel values a big powerful offensive line. There’s nobody bigger than 350 pound Onwenu, he can be a force on 3rd and short. It would be a big step down to Wallace unless he gets substantially stronger and better.

Wallace is bigger then every Center and Guard on the 53 and PS not named Onwenu. Some of the players are close...but my point is Wallace isn't on the small side.

 

[Wozzy]

Wallace is bigger then every Center and Guard on the 53 and PS not named Onwenu. Some of the players are close...but my point is Wallace isn't on the small side.

We’ll see…

 

[Zuma]

We’ll see…

I don’t know what we’ll see …my point is Wallace is not small. Let’s hope for a win on Sunday.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I'm not sure Diggs is top-level anymore.

I'm not sure he's not.
107 receptions and 1200 yards his last full season (2023)
On pace for over 1000 last year where he wasn't the first read.
I'm not saying he is, he's another year older and coming off a big injury, but I'm also not sure he's not.
Some of those snaps in camp he looked really sharp.
Time will tell.

 

[Wozzy]

I don’t know what we’ll see …my point is Wallace is not small. Let’s hope for a win on Sunday.

Not small at 314 pounds, but he was weak exiting college. He's got a great wingspan, a little less important at guard than tackle. He's also got good explosion and speed, but his mobility is not good... kind of important for guard. In short, he's got some tools to work with.

He's also not the second biggest guy after Onwenu, he's smaller than Campbell, Moses, Bryant and Lowe also. I said this offseason if Wallace could show up to this camp weighing in closer to 320 and looked demonstrably stronger he had a chance to take a starting RT job... he still weighs the same he did leaving school.

Onwenu has 36 pounds on him and is strong as a bull... there's a pretty big difference between the two. So like I said... we'll see.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm not sure he's not.
107 receptions and 1200 yards his last full season (2023)
On pace for over 1000 last year where he wasn't the first read.
I'm not saying he is, he's another year older and coming off a big injury, but I'm also not sure he's not.
Some of those snaps in camp he looked really sharp.
Time will tell.

Yep maybe.

My belief is it'll take him some time to get to real game speed after the ACL. The human body can only heal so fast.

 

[Zuma]

He's also not the second biggest guy after Onwenu, he's smaller than Campbell, Moses, Bryant and Lowe also. I said this offseason if Wallace could show up to this camp weighing in closer to 320 and looked demonstrably stronger he had a chance to take a starting RT job... he still weighs the same he did leaving school.

I said Center and Guard as you were referring to the interior…geesh

Wallace is bigger then every Center and Guard on the 53 and PS not named Onwenu. Some of the players are close...but my point is Wallace isn't on the small side.

 

[Wozzy]

I said Center and Guard as you were referring to the interior…geesh

My mistake... either way, Onwenu is a load... that was my point.

He is a 3rd and inches matchup nightmare for opponents. I'm sure Vrabel and Josh will see his value on short downs and in the run game.

 

[Real fan 02]

Wallace is bigger then every Center and Guard on the 53 and PS not named Onwenu. Some of the players are close...but my point is Wallace isn't on the small side.

Speaking of drafting on another note.. looks like roseman forgot about the defense in Philly huh..

 

[Wozzy]

Speaking of drafting on another note.. looks like roseman forgot about the defense in Philly huh..

You mean after they removed their single best defender because he’s a moron.

 

[rkarp1]

Big if, Wallace was drafted as a tackle, I think he’s backing up at guard because he wasn’t good at tackle and was the best of a very ordinary lot at guard, especially with Strange presumably not accepting a backup role in a contract year.

Also I was very careful with my words, I said if Onwenu had a good season. Based on his entire career in Tennessee and everything we’ve seen here, Vrabel values a big powerful offensive line. There’s nobody bigger than 350 pound Onwenu, he can be a force on 3rd and short. It would be a big step down to Wallace unless he gets substantially stronger and better.

what does Strange "not accepting a backup role" mean?
he was cut. he wasn't offered a back up role. he was beat out by Ben Brown.
he currently sits on the Browns PS, who have him listed as an OC, not an OG

 

[Real fan 02]

You mean after they removed their single best defender because he’s a moron.

True. Even with Carter that secondary is Swiss cheese.. they have guys that are back ups at best playing as starters..

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree, although Washington and Philly both benefited from Dallas imploding. I don't think they would've gotten passed Detroit had there not been injuries on defense. San Francisco having injuries helped as well.

With that said, I think the Commanders have a better team than what they started with last season.

True. It's inevitable that Dallas Implodes that's what they do each season. Detroit had what like 10 players or more on IR?? And they still were a force all season. The commanders....yeah better.. I don't think they sneak up on anyone this season.

 

[Wozzy]

what does Strange "not accepting a backup role" mean?
he was cut. he wasn't offered a back up role. he was beat out by Ben Brown.
he currently sits on the Browns PS, who have him listed as an OC, not an OG

If he was offered a backup job as a former #1 pick and still thinks he can start he isn’t going to sit behind a talented rookie in Wilson and Onwenu. He and his agent would ask for his release in a contract year. The Browns two starting guards are ancient in football years, there is opportunity there.

 

[Wozzy]

True. Even with Carter that secondary is Swiss cheese.. they have guys that are back ups at best playing as starters..

I agree they’re not as good, no Carter, no Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, new DB’s….

 

[captain stone]

I'm not sure Diggs is top-level anymore.

Two others on that short list have major health questions; and the 4th one's a Punter.

We don't have Any top-end talent, although I really believe that Henderson will be one, perhaps as soon as his first game this Sunday...