Old Friend Jakobi Meyers reportedly wants out of Vegas

[WhatJustHappened]

Meyers never had 10 TDS in a year.
Edit: As a WR/receiving, although he did RUN 2 in the year he had 8 receiving, so I guess he had 10 TOTAL.

 

[203Pat]

Meyers never had 10 TDS in a year.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I never wanted Meyers to leave, musta been the AWESOME "COLLABORATION" that nixed him for broken JUJU ..
What a fkn disaster that was .

 

[TheRainMaker]

Sadly I fear a lot of things on this team are a product of a lack of talent. In other words we don't exactly have great red zone threats so you sign someone with size like Hollins and just start assuming he'll be better red zone threat than we have.

I fear something similar could be happening with some of our rookies too. Is our rookie class this good or are almost all of them making it just because everyone else sucked. (I'm sure a little of both but doesn't change the fear)

The media has been pushing this narrative all off-season and it's really weird.

He’s averaging about 80 catches for 6 TD and 850-900 yards a year over the past 4 years. And he’s proven he can play in a McDaniel’s offense. Those are pretty good credentials for me.

That he no longer is mostly a slot guy makes him appealing as I think we have a bit of a log jam at slot with Pop, Chism and Diggs (based upon my probably incorrect projections on the roster)

I’m not sure I’d trade for him unless the price was really right as it looks like he wants to test the market and get paid. I think we could just get him after this year just for money. I think we probably have the most interest in him than anyone else not named the Raiders.

He was part of the problem while he was here in NE. He was a high volume WR who didn't provide a lot of splash plays. Opposing defenses would allow him to get his yards and then the Pats would be dead to rights if they got into the red zone. And I can't believe he's being forgiven for the least intelligent football play I've ever seen since the butt fumble (Mac Jones lateral).

In 2023 with McDaniels and DaVante Adams, they were bottom 3rd in yards, passing yards and points. It was even worse in 2024. He got 2 of his 4 TD's in the last two games of the season that were meaningless and the Chargers sitting everyone.

I'm not paying him $15M-$18M per year for that. We need to stop brining back guys who are not only more expensive now, but were also part of the problem as to why they were bad to begin with.

 

[signbabybrady]

The media has been pushing this narrative all off-season and it's really weird.

I think it's more just lazy and not really weird.

 

[imahobgoblin]

There was a leadership vacuum last year. That started with Mayo. Vrabel runs a tighter ship. There are a number of factors in a greater level of maturity in the WR room. Hollins may be a factor, but he’s not the only reason.

5 TD is great. It is also a statistical outlier. Jakobi had 10 TD his one year in a McDaniel’s offense. The calculation of dividing the TD by yards of offense, I find puzzling. More yards = better. Ultimately more yards leads to more points even if it’s just getting first downs to let another player score or kick a field goal.

I literally wrote that exact same thing as your first paragraph. I wrote Hollins was part of the fix. I wrote Diggs' work ethic was part of that fix. I wrote that Vrabel and McD fixed the problem. I never wrote anything that resembled Hollins was the only reason.

5TD are great when when your top receivers score only 3. Jacobi has never had reception 10TDs in a season. His best year was 2023 with 807 yards and 8 TD. That was an anomaly. In his career, he has averaged over 3TD a season, with a substantial difference in 2022 and 2023. Yes, of course more yards are better, that was not the point at all. If you cannot score in the red zone, though, the yards don't matter. You have to score to win. I would love Jacobi back, but he is not the fix to the red zone problems. Hollins is a better RZ target than others in the WR room, save Diggs. Football teams have special tools in place for certain things. Hollins was brought in as a tool for specific areas. There is no debate that Jacobi is a better overall WR, but it takes a team effort to score.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Some days I wish I didn't know how to read.

It would be great being a Pats fan if it weren't for 75% of the fans who write that trash and then try to defend it.

 

[imahobgoblin]

I never wanted Meyers to leave, musta been the AWESOME "COLLABORATION" that nixed him for broken JUJU ..
What a fkn disaster that was .

It is in the past two coaches ago. We know. We can't change it. Why beat a dead horse? Do you want to start a Ladd vs Polk thread too?

 

[Ring 6]

I literally wrote that exact same thing as your first paragraph. I wrote Hollins was part of the fix. I wrote Diggs' work ethic was part of that fix. I wrote that Vrabel and McD fixed the problem. I never wrote anything that resembled Hollins was the only reason.

5TD are great when when your top receivers score only 3. Jacobi has never had reception 10TDs in a season. His best year was 2023 with 807 yards and 8 TD. That was an anomaly. In his career, he has averaged over 3TD a season, with a substantial difference in 2022 and 2023. Yes, of course more yards are better, that was not the point at all. If you cannot score in the red zone, though, the yards don't matter. You have to score to win. I would love Jacobi back, but he is not the fix to the red zone problems. Hollins is a better RZ target than others in the WR room, save Diggs. Football teams have special tools in place for certain things. Hollins was brought in as a tool for specific areas. There is no debate that Jacobi is a better overall WR, but it takes a team effort to score.

Hollins is a goofball likable guy, so they try to come up with ways to make him sound valuable.
You can’t use his production for that.
So must be he can block. Yet he has played in passing situations most of his career, not running situations.
Oh, must be special teams. Wait he plays 20% of the snaps which is one unit.
Then of course he’s a great leader. Oops, he’s on his 5th team in 5 years so I guess the other 4 didn’t agree.

Hollins has 15 TDs in 7 years. Look at the numbers compared to the amount of playing time he gets.

The gap from Hollins up to Meyers in production per route run is twice as big as the gap from Meyers up to Jmarr Chase.

 

[Bill Lee]

While you can quibble with the methodology, I found the following to be interesting:


Ref: The Peak Age for an NFL Wide Receiver

We're not the team that has TFB and is looking at guys like Chris Hogan or Danny Amendola etc.

We're the team that won four games last year, and seem to be projected for 8.5 this year.

IMO what we need is to find a WR with more upside than Meyers since we think/hope we can break through two seasons from now.

You get that via draft/develop or bottom feeding someone else's practice squad or recently cut FAs, not by paying a mid-teir vet a high salary.

We already have Diggs and Hollins for vet WRs, we don't need one more, especially not one looking for a big payday.

We let him go at age 26, it doesn't make sense to bring him back at age 28 hoping he can earn that payday.

I also agree with the idea that while Meyers was better than average when he was here, he did not threaten defenses.

I don't see how that's much different two seasons later.

If we want to base it on stats, while his catches and yards have improved, he hasn't matched his YPC of his rookie year:

 

[imahobgoblin]

Hollins is a goofball likable guy, so they try to come up with ways to make him sound valuable.
You can’t use his production for that.
So must be he can block. Yet he has played in passing situations most of his career, not running situations.
Oh, must be special teams. Wait he plays 20% of the snaps which is one unit.
Then of course he’s a great leader. Oops, he’s on his 5th team in 5 years so I guess the other 4 didn’t agree.

Hollins has 15 TDs in 7 years. Look at the numbers compared to the amount of playing time he gets.

The gap from Hollins up to Meyers in production per route run is twice as big as the gap from Meyers up to Jmarr Chase.

Duh. Hollins will still be on the 53 regardless and he is a better RZ target. If you knew how to read rather than just go off on one of your famous tangents, you would see I posted that Jacobi is a better WR than Hollins and I would like Jacobi back. But noooooooooo. We can't do that, can we?

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Letting Meyers walk and replacing him with JuJu was maybe the worst of all the Pats moves in the past 10 years, worse even than drafting NKeal. Here was a home grown udfa who had turned himself into our most reliable receiver, similar to a Troy Brown. He could really get open and was a first down machine. Really would like to know whose idea that was and why BB allowed it. If Josh had still been here it would not have happened.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Letting Meyers walk and replacing him with JuJu was maybe the worst of all the Pats moves in the past 10 years, worse even than drafting NKeal. Here was a home grown uda who had turned himself into our most reliable receiver, similar to a Troy Brown. He could really get open and was a first down machine. Really would like to know whose idea that was and why BB allowed it. If Josh had still been here it would not have happened.

We know, we know. It was 2 coaches ago. Stop beating a dead horse. We can't fix it. Don't start in the stupid Ladd vs Polk thing either. We have discussed it all ad nauseam.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

It is in the past two coaches ago. We know. We can't change it. Why beat a dead horse? Do you want to start a Ladd vs Polk thread too?

I wasn't talking to you, but Thanks Anyway.

BTW, WTF are YOU, the Forum Police?
BAH

 

[imahobgoblin]

I wasn't talking to you, but Thanks Anyway.

BTW, WTF are YOU, the Forum Police?
BAH

You seem to think I care who you were talking to.

 

[Ring 6]

Duh. Hollins will still be on the 53 regardless and he is a better RZ target. If you knew how to read rather than just go off on one of your famous tangents, you would see I posted that Jacobi is a better WR than Hollins and I would like Jacobi back. But noooooooooo. We can't do that, can we?

But he is not a red zone target. That’s a fallacy. In his 112 game 7 year NFL career he had 17 red zone receptions and 10 TDs.
That is 2.4 red zone catches per season and 1.4 TDS.
Meyers in 91 games has 35 red zone receptions and 14 TDS.
Twice as many catches and 40% more TDs.
Who is a better red zone target?

Last year Jaylinn Polk had 2 red zone catches and 2 TDs. About the same as Hollins norm.

 

[Steve102]

 

[imahobgoblin]

But he is not a red zone target. That’s a fallacy. In his 112 game 7 year NFL career he had 17 red zone receptions and 10 TDs.
That is 2.4 red zone catches per season and 1.4 TDS.
Meyers in 91 games has 35 red zone receptions and 14 TDS.
Twice as many catches and 40% more TDs.
Who is a better red zone target?

Last year Jaylinn Polk had 2 red zone catches and 2 TDs. About the same as Hollins norm.

When did you stop your rants long enough to read what someone wrote?

 

[signbabybrady]

But he is not a red zone target. That’s a fallacy. In his 112 game 7 year NFL career he had 17 red zone receptions and 10 TDs.
That is 2.4 red zone catches per season and 1.4 TDS.
Meyers in 91 games has 35 red zone receptions and 14 TDS.
Twice as many catches and 40% more TDs.
Who is a better red zone target?

Last year Jaylinn Polk had 2 red zone catches and 2 TDs. About the same as Hollins norm.

I find your disdain for Hollins a little over the top but I'm absolutely in love with your statistical analysis. I'm finding it quite useful. And mic drop esque at times.

That said unfortunately with all that analysis I still see Hollins as our 4th best wr right now.

 

[Kdo5]

Meyers never had 10 TDS in a year.
Edit: As a WR/receiving, although he did RUN 2 in the year he had 8 receiving, so I guess he had 10 TOTAL.

Neither did Julian Edelman, Troy Brown, Deion Branch or Wes Welker when they were here.

People trying to diminish him by saying “see, he didn’t score enough TDs!”. Our best receivers in the last twenty or so years (other than Moss) all failed to notch rec 10 TDs in a regular season.

The argument is ****.