There Is No Way Polk Makes This Team

[Thelonious]

I don't have a great feeling about him so this is just to play a little devil's advocate:


The hope would be they absorbed enough as rookies to be more prepared for Josh even if it is more complicated. Also for various reasons some just fit one system over another.

Definitely weird but also if you knew you were on such shakey ground it might be best to make sure your soft tissue doesn't turn into a bigger problem by giving it a few days rest. The pads go on Monday if he can get back around then and he's healthy and ready to go maybe the rest of camp he can still turn it around.

Crazier things have happened.

They have indeed.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Thank you for bringing up such a painful memory, why don’t you give me a paper cut and pour some lemon juice in it!

-Miracle Max

"I'm drowning here, and you're describing the water..."

 

[mgteich]

Yes, I think it means that. The practice squad is a good place for him.

Of course, other teams probably no longer have a second-round value on him.

HOWEVER, if a team still has a 6th round value on him, they would likely sign him if they need a future backup WR.

 

[mgteich]

INCREDIBLE EVALUATION TALENT HERE!

You are able to decide that a player has no future in the NFL based on his playing as a rookie
1) in one of the 3 worst offenses in the NFL
2) on the worst overall coached team in the NFL
3) with horrible position coaching
4) behind the worst OL in the NFL
5) behind QB's running for their lives almost always

Given that even some of the best WR's of all time have had poor rookie years, your evaluation skills are truly incredible.
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YOU ARE BETTER THAN THE ANALYSTS AND OTHER TEAMS
who thought that Polk was a late 2nd, 3rd or even 4th round talent.
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CONCLUSION
I understand that many of you wanted to cut everyone with poor stats on last year's team. CLEAN HOUSE and start over you say.

Perhaps, just perhaps, we should give Polk a pass and allow a really good set of coaches on Offense to try to develop this player. And yes, I agree that last year was two steps backward for Polk.

Polk may not be the type of WR that Josh and Vrabel want. Polk may or may not be on our team after the final cut. However, I assure you all that he won't be on our Practice Squad.
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END OF RANT

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

INCREDIBLE EVALUATION TALENT HERE!

You are able to decide that a player has no future in the NFL based on his playing as a rookie
1) in one of the 3 worst offenses in the NFL
2) on the worst overall coached team in the NFL
3) with horrible position coaching
4) behind the worst OL in the NFL
5) behind QB's running for their lives almost always

Given that even some of the best WR's of all time have had poor rookie years, your evaluation skills are truly incredible.
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YOU ARE BETTER THAN THE ANALYSTS AND OTHER TEAMS
who thought that Polk was a late 2nd, 3rd or even 4th round talent.
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CONCLUSION
I understand that many of you wanted to cut everyone with poor stats on last year's team. CLEAN HOUSE and start over you say.

Perhaps, just perhaps, we should give Polk a pass and allow a really good set of coaches on Offense to try to develop this player. And yes, I agree that last year was two steps backward for Polk.

Polk may not be the type of WR that Josh and Vrabel want. Polk may or may not be on our team after the final cut. However, I assure you all that he won't be on our Practice Squad.
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END OF RANT

I agree with most of this. As I have stated, he was a consensus 2nd round pick, and many talent evaluators had him as a top 50 prospect. That said, every practice he misses diminishes his chances to make this team. He showed absolutely nothing last year, and 100% there were mitigating circumstances beyond his control, and the current staff is much better equipped to bring out his potential (if it's still there). But again, he needs to get on the field quick to show he can be developed. I don't believe he will be giving beyond camp/pre-season to sit on the roster if someone like Chism shows more. His clock is ticking.

 

[Toofy]

He has a guaranteed 9 million and he knows he sucks. Why play when mind is not on it and he can grab the 9 million and retire into sunset after pulling the heist .

Why subject yourself into all negativity and all . I think he's done and it's a sunk cost.

 

[mgteich]

He has a guaranteed 9 million and he knows he sucks. Why play when mind is not on it and he can grab the 9 million and retire into sunset after pulling the heist .

Why subject yourself into all negativity and all . I think he's done and it's a sunk cost.

You have it exactly backwards. He could play, get on IR, and get his guaranteed money for this year and probably next.

But for you, a player should run on the field and compete against the recommendations of team doctors and coaches. As I recall, that can void his guarantees.

He has soft tissue damage and the TEAM wants him to take some time and perhaps be able to play later in camp.

 

[Toofy]

You have it exactly backwards. He could play, get on IR, and get his guaranteed money for this year and probably next.

But for you, a player should run on the field and compete against the recommendations of team doctors and coaches. As I recall, that can void his guarantees.

He has soft tissue damage and the TEAM wants him to take some time and perhaps be able to play later in camp.

No I am not saying that . All I am saying is if my mind is not there in football I can do whatever is minimally required without voiding my guarantees and coast . Case In point few Nvidia employees who became millionaires overnight due to ai boom. There is no incentive for them to work harder unless they really want to.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

No I am not saying that . All I am saying is if my mind is not there in football I can do whatever is minimally required without voiding my guarantees and coast . Case In point few Nvidia employees who became millionaires overnight due to ai boom. There is no incentive for them to work harder unless they really want to.

His contract had $8.2M in guarantees if I recall. That sounds like a lot of money but after agent fees, taxes....etc, that's not a rich for life number. 2nd contact is where guys can set up generational wealth, I would think that would be appealing to most. I find it hard to believe he's coasting, but you never know. If that's the way he's wired, I would think the coaches could pick up on that and he wouldn't be here. More likely is he does have a minor injury and the staff is being careful with him. Now when the pads come on, he better get back quick or he will be gone no matter what his end goal is.

 

[PWRxWLF]

I heard he was given too much to focus on year 1 and that the new staff would fix him. Now we’re kicking him to the curb 1 week into camp?

 

[Toofy]

His contract had $8.2M in guarantees if I recall. That sounds like a lot of money but after agent fees, taxes....etc, that's not a rich for life number. 2nd contact is where guys can set up generational wealth, I would think that would be appealing to most. I find it hard to believe he's coasting, but you never know. If that's the way he's wired, I would think the coaches could pick up on that and he wouldn't be here. More likely is he does have a minor injury and the staff is being careful with him. Now when the pads come on, he better get back quick or he will be gone no matter what his end goal is.

Tbh let's say he pockets 5 million after taxes and agent fees . That's enough to give you a yearly return of 150k purely if he invests Inbsafe instruments like bond or Treasury which is more than sufficient for someone who comes from a middle class background . And considering his age he can of course work in some other capacity .

Most of us would not even make this amount even if we work for 40 years.

 

[mgteich]

Tbh let's say he pockets 5 million after taxes and agent fees . That's enough to give you a yearly return of 150k purely if he invests Inbsafe instruments like bond or Treasury which is more than sufficient for someone who comes from a middle class background . And considering his age he can of course work in some other capacity .

Most of us would not even make this amount even if we work for 40 years.

Do you also whine about how much doctors make? singers? lawyers? tennis players?

Many spend decades getting to the top of their professions. The top 2000 NFL players make a lot (and the best NFL players really a lot), as should the best in the world at their profession. Why not?
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We could choose to have a different system where everyone earns less than $150K a year or have us all earn about the same. In the US, we reward lots of folks who are at the tops of their profession. I don't see why the best NFL players should e getting theirs. Many would choose to pay top teachers $1M a year or top plumbers.
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The reality is simple. NFL football players are employees with a union in an industry that makes a lot of money, money shared between the owners and the employees. The money is paid almost exclusively by entertainment companies. That's our system.

 

[mgteich]

No I am not saying that . All I am saying is if my mind is not there in football I can do whatever is minimally required without voiding my guarantees and coast . Case In point few Nvidia employees who became millionaires overnight due to ai boom. There is no incentive for them to work harder unless they really want to.

fair enough.

You don't like guaranteed contracts because you think that players don't have incentives to play their best, and that many don't bother. And ROFL to the idea that employees of Nvidia somehow didn't deserve a large share of the increase in the company's wealth. That's what profit sharing is all about. The CEO and top shareholders are 100% fine with the situation. You really think that the employees don't want to work hard and making more millions isn't an incentive? Really? In that case, they will likely leave or be pushed out.

The solution to your issue is for the owners to allow players to be free agents after one year of experience, and to NEGOTIATE incentive laden contracts where the players make much, much more if they do well. It is a matter of how to share risk and the pot of money.
You do understand that not all employees of AI companies are now millionaires.

 

[Pape]

I heard he was given too much to focus on year 1 and that the new staff would fix him. Now we’re kicking him to the curb 1 week into camp?

Sounds about right...


Two questions to ask about Ja'Lynn Polk...

1. will we notice if he's here? Based on his rookie season, no.
2. will we notice if he's not here? Based on his rookie season, no.


and a bonus 3rd question
will we care if he's not here? Nah. he will be forgotten, his name dragged out once in a while as a cautionary tale of what not to do in the draft...

 

[Pape]

and making more millions isn't an incentive? Really?

for some, its not.

In that case, they will likely leave or be pushed out.

exactly what we should do with Polk. push him out... Find someone who "wants it more"...

 

[mgteich]

for some, its not.

exactly what we should do with Polk. push him out... Find someone who "wants it more"...

fine.
pay guaranteed 3-4 year contracts and when the players don't shine behind the worst offense in football, kick them out.

sounds like a plan
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Just BTW, the next guy will make sure that his compensation is guaranteed or he won't sign.

 

[Pape]

fine.
pay guaranteed 3-4 year contracts and when the players don't shine behind the worst offense in football, kick them out.

sounds like a plan

Works for me.

Glad we agree.

you do realize its ok for the team to admit they made a mistake drafting him, yes?
we don't have to waste a roster spot on him just because he's a former high draft pick...
as for the dead money? its the cost of doing business in the nfl

the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results...

 

[mgteich]

Works for me.

Glad we agree.

you do realize its ok for the team to admit they made a mistake drafting him, yes?
we don't have to waste a roster spot on him just because he's a former high draft pick...
as for the dead money? its the cost of doing business in the nfl

the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results...

Getting rid of highly drafted players after they play terribly under one year of terrible coaching is NOT a winning strategy in the NFL. Sure, we drafted him too early. And because he failed as a rookie he should be cut??? IMO, McConkey would probably have failed also. Of course, DeJean wouldn't have, but that is another story.
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If that's Vrabel's decision, I'm fine and I suspect that Polk is fine also. He'll move on to one of the many teams that considered him a 3rd round talent last year and want a very inexpensive #5 WR.

 

[Toofy]

fair enough.

You don't like guaranteed contracts because you think that players don't have incentives to play their best, and that many don't bother. And ROFL to the idea that employees of Nvidia somehow didn't deserve a large share of the increase in the company's wealth. That's what profit sharing is all about. The CEO and top shareholders are 100% fine with the situation. You really think that the employees don't want to work hard and making more millions isn't an incentive? Really? In that case, they will likely leave or be pushed out.

The solution to your issue is for the owners to allow players to be free agents after one year of experience, and to NEGOTIATE incentive laden contracts where the players make much, much more if they do well. It is a matter of how to share risk and the pot of money.
You do understand that not all employees of AI companies are now millionaires.

I am just saying it's human psychology. Not everyone will become millionaires and not everyone will slack. But the potential arises.

As for Nvidia the employees deserve it , but it did also impact Nvidia productivity . There are articles around it . Employees stopped caring after financial goals are met. Sometimes people work just to put food on table . When more of that is net, they diverge into other interests like hobbies and traveling..

Request you to develop better reading skills and not go on offense or insinuating people. I just made a view point without berating Polk. He played hard in college and got a good contract. Good for him. His first year was not mentally good for him and could have broken him and the guaranteed contract might make him want to leave an unhappy space .

As for Nvidia article here it goes

Employees Who Joined Nvidia 5 Years Ago Now Millionaires And Coasting In 'Semi-Retirement' - NVIDIA (NASD

www.benzinga.com

 

[Toofy]

Do you also whine about how much doctors make? singers? lawyers? tennis players?

Many spend decades getting to the top of their professions. The top 2000 NFL players make a lot (and the best NFL players really a lot), as should the best in the world at their profession. Why not?
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We could choose to have a different system where everyone earns less than $150K a year or have us all earn about the same. In the US, we reward lots of folks who are at the tops of their profession. I don't see why the best NFL players should e getting theirs. Many would choose to pay top teachers $1M a year or top plumbers.
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The reality is simple. NFL football players are employees with a union in an industry that makes a lot of money, money shared between the owners and the employees. The money is paid almost exclusively by entertainment companies. That's our system.

Where am I whining . All I am saying is the money is good enough to retire . You are saying it's not enough . That's my only point of contention .

U seem to misconstrue what I stated . I don't have qualms about them making what they are making. If you get 5 million in a single shot, it's a jackpot and some can continue to work trying to build on it whilst some could coast . I was talking about the possibility of the second option.

As for tennis players go and read articles . Player outside top 200 struggle . Life is not fair . Same goes with UDFAs. Compared to them Polk is Ina great situation if he is smart with his money and priorities.