How Many Above Average Starters Do We Have On Offense?

[mgteich]

We are really far from having an average Offense. Of course, it will be much better than 2024, having improved greatly at OL and WR.

Obviously, we have no pro-bowlers, no one even close. Do we even have any AVERAGE starters.

My answer is 1 or 2.

 

[TommyD4207]

We are really far from having an average Offense. Of course, it will be much better than 2024, having improved greatly at OL and WR.

Obviously, we have no pro-bowlers, no one even close. Do we even have any AVERAGE starters.

My answer is 1 or 2.

Just going on pure production, and not ceiling or projection or history, it's one. Hunter Henry.

 

[signbabybrady]

I think only one is clearly/definitely above average and that's Henry.

Maye obviously extremely small sample size but based on what we've seen I feel it's fair to say he's above average but closer to Average than the top for now. I expect this to not even be a question very quickly.

I think 3 others are right around average too and probably slightly better than average starters. Moses, Onwenwu, and Rham (I know some will very much disagree with Rham but other than fumbling I think he's above average and I'd like to think a better line will help that a little I feel like he was over compensating for the bad line and put himself in bad spots).

Pop possibly too.

Pop would be 6. I voted 5. So you can take one away from me.

 

[Kdo5]

We are really far from having an average Offense. Of course, it will be much better than 2024, having improved greatly at OL and WR.

Obviously, we have no pro-bowlers, no one even close. Do we even have any AVERAGE starters.

My answer is 1 or 2.

Maye based on talent, Diggs. Arguably Henry.

 

[TommyD4207]

Maye and Diggs. Arguably Henry but not sure.

Ah ****, I forgot about Diggs. 2.

 

[mnpatfan]

Maye, Diggs (pre-injury) and... crickets.

 

[condon84]

I think only one is clearly/definitely above average and that's Henry.

Maye obviously extremely small sample size but based on what we've seen I feel it's fair to say he's above average but closer to Average than the top for now. I expect this to not even be a question very quickly.

I think 3 others are right around average too and probably slightly better than average starters. Moses, Onwenwu, and Rham (I know some will very much disagree with Rham but other than fumbling I think he's above average and I'd like to think a better line will help that a little I feel like he was over compensating for the bad line and put himself in bad spots).

Pop possibly too.

Pop would be 6. I voted 5. So you can take one away from me.

Only one I question on your list is Moses (who i'm not too familiar with).

If Diggs comes back healthy, I'll add him on the list too.

This team needs an impact player on offense, not a left tackle with short arms who's better suited at guard.

 

[signbabybrady]

Only one I question on your list is Moses (who i'm not too familiar with).

If Diggs comes back healthy, I'll add him on the list too.

This team needs an impact player on offense, not a left tackle with short arms who's better suited at guard.

I should have included Diggs too but Pop was a stretch so I'm still voting 5 with 2 close.

 

[JohnJH]

With Certainty, it's 1 (Maye). Even if Diggs is 100% healthy, he'd be 2 (but not a long-term solution). If Stevenson stops his fumbling issues and reverts to the best version of what he's shown in the past, that's 3. If Onwenu stays at RG and reverts to the best version of what he's shown in the past, that's 4. Suffice it to say, we need significantly more (and younger above average to great starters).

 

[maust]

(sigh)

 

[mgteich]

Just going on pure production, and not ceiling or projection or history, it's one. Hunter Henry.

we both forgot diggs.

I changed my vote to 2

 

[lancerman]

The only obvious one is Henry

Diggs is dependent on whether he gets back to form after an injury, if so he will be.

A few people saying Maye, I hope he takes a big jump this year, but for posterity he was below league average in yards, TD's, TD%, Int, INT%, Y/A, AY/A, Y/C, passer rating, QBR, and every other stat besides completion percentage where he ranked 13th. Way too far away to call him above average at the moment.

 

[Wozzy]

Get some sunshine, they’re not that far away. They weren’t that far away last year but bungled the offseason.

They’re better coached and doing a much better job this offseason. A great draft could push them into playoff contention.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Henry was 8th in receiving yards for all TE's so he actually has good production at his position.

Diggs would be above average if he recovers from his injury.

 

[sb1]

Diggs but only if he is fully healthy and recovered from his injury. Maybe Henry even if he's overrated a little around here. That's about it.

Maye of course has a very high ceiling but we just have his rookie year to look at right now and his output there is nowhere near above average for his position. Looking forward to his second year jump.

 

[sb1]

Get some sunshine, they’re not that far away. They weren’t that far away last year but bungled the offseason.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

A QB with a 1-9 career record is above average? I would hate to see who you guys' think is average!

The correct answer is zero! and unfortunately that will still be the correct answer after tonight!
Diggs would be if he was healthy, but at 31 coming off a torn ACL in October, counting on him to be above average is a stretch. Why do you think he signed with the Pats and not a contender?

I would put both Henry and Owenu as "average".

 

[lancerman]

A QB with a 1-9 career record is above average? I would hate to see who you guys' think is average!

The correct answer is zero! and unfortunately that will still be the correct answer after tonight!
Diggs would be if he was healthy, but at 31 coming off a torn ACL in October, counting on him to be above average is a stretch. Why do you think he signed with the Pats and not a contender?

I would put both Henry and Owenu as "average".

Henry is above average, but that's largely a byproduct of the TE position being very shallow after the top 4-5 guys.

Diggs would be above average but we are waiting on how he recovers.

 

[TheRainMaker]

They really aren't that far away with the additions this off-season. The 1998 Colts won 3 games, but won 13 games in 1999 with Manning taking a second year jump and the FA additions. Rams won 4 games in 1998 and won 13 in 1999 with good off-season additions. The 2001 Pats were viewed as the least talented team in the league going into 2001. They went from 5 wins in 2000 to 11 in 2001. 2019 Buccaneers won 7 games then won 11 in 2020. Washington Commanders won 4 games in 2023, but won 12 with their ****ty roster in 2024. The league as a whole isn't very talented, so this team has an even greater chance of improving. If Maye can't win at least 9 games and make the playoffs this upcoming season, fans and media will turn on him. The roster and coaching has actually improved. They also have high picks in each round. The excuses are starting to run out and Maye's diapers need to come off.

 

[mgteich]

A QB with a 1-9 career record is above average? I would hate to see who you guys' think is average!

The correct answer is zero! and unfortunately that will still be the correct answer after tonight!
Diggs would be if he was healthy, but at 31 coming off a torn ACL in October, counting on him to be above average is a stretch. Why do you think he signed with the Pats and not a contender?

I would put both Henry and Owenu as "average".

OK. You think that there are 15 TE's in the NFL who are better than Henry? Really?