Vrable's draft record

[FredFromDartmouth]

Bob Digital raised an interesting point; Vrable does not have a good track record drafting with the Titans. I looked into it and, yikes, he is correct. Vrable sucks at drafting. Here is a quote from an article by Joe Murry ("A Dive into Mike Vrabel’s Draft History as a Head Coach"):

A Dive into Mike Vrabel's Draft History as a Head Coach

Mike Vrabel is now in his second NFL head coaching role. He will go into his first draft with the Patriots. The NFL Combine is in full swing this week...

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2020-Pick 29 Isaiah Wilson (Georgia: Offensive Tackle)
Wilson may be one of the worst first round draft picks in NFL history. He played in exactly one regular season game for the Titians. He was on the Covid list early during his rookie season in 2020. He then proceeded to be suspended for violating team rules. After the short week’s suspensions Wilson was quickly placed on the injury reserve list. He played a total of 4 snaps as a Titan. He would go on to be released by the team and bounce around a few practice squads in the following years. Easy to label him as a massive draft bust!

His other first and second round picks were mostly busts or over-drafted reaches. And then there was his trade of AJ Brown for a first round pick that he blew on WR Treylon Burks (note: maybe he was not the reason for the trade).

This does not bode well. So you take one of the worst draft teams in the NFL (based on last year) and you add an OC (Josh Daniels) with an appallingly bad draft record and a HC (Vrable) with a bad track record (not as bad as Josh). This does not sounds like the all-star, A-Team draft committee.

The Patriots can do just fine if they make safe, careful choices without any zingers like Tim Tebow or Treylon Burks. Heck, many of the guys on this board could make safe picks.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Vrabel didn't pick players. This has been discussed multiple times.

 

[PatsFan2]

Vrabel didn't pick players. This has been discussed multiple times.

@FredFromDartmouth it was GM BB Draft impersonator who did at the time.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Vrabel didn't pick players. This has been discussed multiple times.

Whew, that is good to hear! Hopefully he now has the gravitas to overrule GM/Owner or whomever was responsible for last year's draft.

 

[Lansdowne]

This is an argument made in poor faith. You mention the AJ Brown trade as if Vrabel didn’t say this weeks before the draft:

Titans HC Mike Vrabel on A.J. Brown being on trading block: 'Not as long as I'm the head coach'

This is not the body language of someone that wanted Brown traded:



Also should be noted that Brown was drafted under Vrabel’s watch in 2019 (and is better than any WR this team has drafted). Thought it was interesting that the GM who traded Brown away was fired two days after Brown lit up the Titans to the tune of 119 yards and 2 touchdowns on 8 receptions. Also Jeffery Simmons and Harold Landry are two strong defensive players that Vrabel’s team drafted early on.

That all being said, the Titans’ drafts from 2020-2023 were all dogshit. Vrabel didn’t have the level of control he wanted and that was a point of contention that led to his ouster, but he had at least some input into the players they were taking. So fair point as far as skepticism on the drafting. I just think it’s disingenuous to cherry pick and not look at the whole picture.

 

[denverpatsfan]

He drafted AJ Brown. Mike drop. Nuff said.

Better WR pick than ANY the Pats have had since Bob picked Terry Glenn...

 

[maust]

Bob Digital raised an interesting point; Vrable does not have a good track record drafting with the Titans. I looked into it and, yikes, he is correct. Vrable sucks at drafting. Here is a quote from an article by Joe Murry ("A Dive into Mike Vrabel’s Draft History as a Head Coach"):

2020-Pick 29 Isaiah Wilson (Georgia: Offensive Tackle)
Wilson may be one of the worst first round draft picks in NFL history. He played in exactly one regular season game for the Titians. He was on the Covid list early during his rookie season in 2020. He then proceeded to be suspended for violating team rules. After the short week’s suspensions Wilson was quickly placed on the injury reserve list. He played a total of 4 snaps as a Titan. He would go on to be released by the team and bounce around a few practice squads in the following years. Easy to label him as a massive draft bust!

His other first and second round picks were mostly busts or over-drafted reaches. And then there was his trade of AJ Brown for a first round pick that he blew on WR Treylon Burks (note: maybe he was not the reason for the trade).

This does not bode well. So you take one of the worst draft teams in the NFL (based on last year) and you add an OC (Josh Daniels) with an appallingly bad draft record and a HC (Vrable) with a bad track record (not as bad as Josh). This does not sounds like the all-star, A-Team draft committee.

The Patriots can do just fine if they make safe, careful choices without any zingers like Tim Tebow or Treylon Burks. Heck, many of the guys on this board could make safe picks.

Not having final say on the roster was a bone of contention for Vrabel in TN almost from the jump. Ownership going past Vrabel's boy Cowden for since fired GM Ran Carthon proved the final straw. That's reason one that regardless of the titles, niceties and phrasing you can rest assured Vrabel has the last word here.

 

[signbabybrady]

Except in small windows just about everyone's drafting sucks. People's ideas of how good teams should be drafting don't match actual success rates.

 

[signbabybrady]

He drafted AJ Brown. Mike drop. Nuff said.

Better WR pick than ANY the Pats have had since Bob picked Terry Glenn...

Didn't he trade him too. GMing at its finest.

 

[Thunderhead]

So Vrabel, with no GM title in TN had no fault for the poor drafts, but here in NE he somehow has full control despite still not having the GM title? Some posters are setting it up so that Vrabel can do no wrong. If the upcoming draft goes well, these people will give Vrabel all the credit. If it goes poorly, you all will somehow deflect blame from Vrabel and point to Wolf. I can already see it coming.

 

[Wozzy]

Vrabel wasn't the GM with the Titans, nor did he have enough cache as a first time coach to demand personnel control.

He threw the GM under the bus for trading AJ Brown, there is no doubt he wasn't in control there.

 

[maust]

Didn't he trade him too. GMing at its finest.

That trade proved the kiss of death for Titans GM Jon Robinson. For the sake of further pumping Vrabe's tires I say we go with Vrabel insisting Robinson draft Brown and then Robinson spitefully trading him. Who cares about the actual details? It's just a juicer juice that way and we've still got a week to kill before the draft

 

[signbabybrady]

That trade proved the kiss of death for Titans GM Jon Robinson. For the sake of further pumping Vrabe's tires I say we go with Vrabel insisting Robinson draft Brown and then Robinson spitefully trading him. Who cares about the actual details? It's just a juicer juice that way and we've still got a week to kill before the draft

Just to stir up the masses who did Robinson learn from?

 

[Steve102]

That trade proved the kiss of death for Titans GM Jon Robinson. For the sake of further pumping Vrabe's tires I say we go with Vrabel insisting Robinson draft Brown and then Robinson spitefully trading him. Who cares about the actual details? It's just a juicer juice that way and we've still got a week to kill before the draft

I think I am going to start bleeding out my eyes and ears if I consume any more pre-draft info. I am doing it to myself.

 

[maust]

Just to stir up the masses who did Robinson learn from?

HELL YEAH!
Now we're talkin'

 

[maust]

I think I am going to start bleeding out my eyes and ears if I consume any more pre-draft info. I am doing it to myself.

All things in moderation my man. Except maybe for bourbon, history has shown us that more bourbon is always a good choice
Back to the pre-draft info overload, this is precisely why @signbabybrady having the insight to add kerosene to my juicer juice idea mix has all the hallmarks of the forward thinking we need in this time of crisis.

Never let facts stand in the way of a solid nontroversy!

 

[Lansdowne]

So Vrabel, with no GM title in TN had no fault for the poor drafts, but here in NE he somehow has full control despite still not having the GM title? Some posters are setting it up so that Vrabel can do no wrong. If the upcoming draft goes well, these people will give Vrabel all the credit. If it goes poorly, you all will somehow deflect blame from Vrabel and point to Wolf. I can already see it coming.

To the point Wozzy mentioned just now, Vrabel was in his first HC gig. He wasn’t in position to have full control of personnel decisions. It’s a little different now that’s already had six years of HC experience under his belt, and having seen the Mayo experiment fail last season (a HC who deferred practically everything to others).

Vrabel brought in his guy Cowden. Wolf is around because he was already leading the scouting for the team during the 2024 college season. The team may not need his services after the draft concludes. It’s happened before. For example, the Chiefs fired their GM two months after he traded up for Mahomes in the 2017 draft.

General Managers sometimes get fired after the draft, but none currently seem to be in danger

With Steelers G.M.

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[signbabybrady]

All things in moderation my man. Except maybe for maybe bourbon, history has shown us that more bourbon is always a good choice
Back to the pre-draft info overload, this is precisely why @signbabybrady having the idea to add kerosene to my juicer juice idea mix has all the hallmarks of the forward thinking we need in this time of crisis.

Never let facts stand in the way of a solid nontroversy!

Speaking of AI

 

[Ring 6]

So Vrabel, with no GM title in TN had no fault for the poor drafts, but here in NE he somehow has full control despite still not having the GM title? Some posters are setting it up so that Vrabel can do no wrong. If the upcoming draft goes well, these people will give Vrabel all the credit. If it goes poorly, you all will somehow deflect blame from Vrabel and point to Wolf. I can already see it coming.

Why do you care?
Why would you have any concern about who a random person blames for something that hasn’t happened yet?

 

[Real fan 02]

Bob Digital raised an interesting point; Vrable does not have a good track record drafting with the Titans. I looked into it and, yikes, he is correct. Vrable sucks at drafting. Here is a quote from an article by Joe Murry ("A Dive into Mike Vrabel’s Draft History as a Head Coach"):

2020-Pick 29 Isaiah Wilson (Georgia: Offensive Tackle)
Wilson may be one of the worst first round draft picks in NFL history. He played in exactly one regular season game for the Titians. He was on the Covid list early during his rookie season in 2020. He then proceeded to be suspended for violating team rules. After the short week’s suspensions Wilson was quickly placed on the injury reserve list. He played a total of 4 snaps as a Titan. He would go on to be released by the team and bounce around a few practice squads in the following years. Easy to label him as a massive draft bust!

His other first and second round picks were mostly busts or over-drafted reaches. And then there was his trade of AJ Brown for a first round pick that he blew on WR Treylon Burks (note: maybe he was not the reason for the trade).

This does not bode well. So you take one of the worst draft teams in the NFL (based on last year) and you add an OC (Josh Daniels) with an appallingly bad draft record and a HC (Vrable) with a bad track record (not as bad as Josh). This does not sounds like the all-star, A-Team draft committee.

The Patriots can do just fine if they make safe, careful choices without any zingers like Tim Tebow or Treylon Burks. Heck, many of the guys on this board could make safe picks.

Vrabel was against trading Brown.. Westbrook-ikenhe, Taylor Lewan, landry, Simmons.. I'd say we're also pretty good draft picks.