BB's new book has no mention of Bob Kraft - admits shocking mistake

[lancerman]

1) The players rank him 31st out of 32 teams.
2) How long does 'Kept the team in Foxboro' keep hard-carrying like this? It's been 30 ****ing years. It's been 23 years since he built that cheap-ass stadium, and has done nothing to it, except put in a lighthouse and a big scoreboard, while being near the bottom of the league in cash spending - over the last 5 years, 10 years, 20 years?
3) The 'Foxboro Economy' is now solely at Patriots Place. The rest of the town is a damn ghost town, considering all the local businesses that used to be there.
4) He's a billionaire. Charity is a tax write-off.
5) Josh Kraft has as much chance as being Mayor of Boston as you do.

Kraft's reputation got carried by the actions of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Period. End of story. His actions when those two weren't here and winning tell the whole story. Name another owner that has let 3 Hall of Fame Coaches go, for example. Name the owner that brought in Bobby Grier and gave him the keys when the team was winning? Name the owner that thought Jerod Mayo as head coach was such a good idea, he gave him a contract 2 years before he took the job, letting him undermine the entire coaching staff for those two years? Name the owner who threw both his quarterback and head coach, who both carried the franchise and his reputation for decades, under the bus 'For the good of the 32'. Name the owner who got popped for getting a rub and tug at a strip mall, and tried everything to kill the story, until the feds got involved? Name the owner who decided 'The Dynasty' joke of a miniseries was a great idea. Name the owner who ruined the quality of play in the league, by convincing the players that getting rid of padded practices was as good of a tradeoff as giving up a percentage of the revenue share. Injuries, concussions, keep going up, and that's why.

If you want to glaze Billionaire Bob, be my guest. I've seen enough of what he does when the two GOATs of the sport aren't around.

All of this works both ways.

"Bill's actions without Tom Brady tell the whole story". You can't use this logic with Kraft and then ignore it with Belichick (especially when Kraft can say he had a team go to a SB without Belichick being the HC and without Brady even being in the league). At that point only Brady comes out looking clean.

"Name another owner who hired 3 Hall of Fame Coaches". That's a pretty impressive evaluation of talent no matter how you slice it. Also he had Belichick for 24 seasons. Landry and Shula are the only other coaches who had a longer tenure with a single franchise.

You can't just cherry pick one person's contributions to prop up others and then ignore similar issues with those other people.

 

[signbabybrady]

All of this works both ways.

"Bill's actions without Tom Brady tell the whole story". You can't use this logic with Kraft and then ignore it with Belichick (especially when Kraft can say he had a team go to a SB without Belichick being the HC and without Brady even being in the league). At that point only Brady comes out looking clean.

"Name another owner who hired 3 Hall of Fame Coaches". That's a pretty impressive evaluation of talent no matter how you slice it. Also he had Belichick for 24 seasons. Landry and Shula are the only other coaches who had a longer tenure with a single franchise.

You can't just cherry pick one person's contributions to prop up others and then ignore similar issues with those other people.

I don't think it's even in the same galaxy. I'm not saying ownership is meaningless to a successful team but there is no way to compare ownership buying their way or sometimes bequeathed into the club to earning your way up the ranks as an assistant, then coordinator, and then HC and even further away from being one of the players nevermind the QB. And turning that into 6 SB wins 9 appearances. Put another way Bill had more of an impact on the tenth appearance as assistant head coach and defensive backs coach of the 96 team than Kraft too.

I give Kraft some crap every now and again but I will always love him for saving the team from St Louis and even Connecticut. That's something that he truly did that had a huge impact on me but just being the owner during Brady and BB run doesn't mean as much that.

 

[signbabybrady]

All of this works both ways.

"Bill's actions without Tom Brady tell the whole story". You can't use this logic with Kraft and then ignore it with Belichick (especially when Kraft can say he had a team go to a SB without Belichick being the HC and without Brady even being in the league). At that point only Brady comes out looking clean.

"Name another owner who hired 3 Hall of Fame Coaches". That's a pretty impressive evaluation of talent no matter how you slice it. Also he had Belichick for 24 seasons. Landry and Shula are the only other coaches who had a longer tenure with a single franchise.

You can't just cherry pick one person's contributions to prop up others and then ignore similar issues with those other people.

Also Kraft employed Parcells but did not hire him. He was hired before Kraft was owner.

Also he did fire a couple of them too.

 

[Huckleberry1]

so I guess people can finally accept bill didnt want to keep brady

You would hope so, but there are some who will never accept that.

 

[sb1]

Interesting there's no mention of BB interpreting a certain league memo in a way that started a shtstorm that the franchise and fans had to put up with for years and still are. Arguably the biggest coaching mistake of all time that had nothing to do with what was on the field. He already admitted it was a mistake so I guess we'll see what he says in the book.

 

[signbabybrady]

Interesting there's no mention of BB interpreting a certain league memo in a way that started a shtstorm that the franchise and fans had to put up with for years and still are. Arguably the biggest coaching mistake of all time that had nothing to do with what was on the field. He already admitted it was a mistake so I guess we'll see what he says in the book.

That's for a different book. Which he'll probably never write.

I don't think this is going to be as hardcore as it could be but it's The Art of Winning not some tell all.

I wish this was like the Football version of Doyle Brunson's Super System. Basically considered the definitive guide to poker. I don't think this is going to rise to that kind of detail but that would be sick.

But I also don't think he has any need or want to get into any debates or telling of his side of any gates or anything one would consider gossip.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

When do you predict that Vrabel will do it IHOP?

Man up and tell us all about it. Or, will you ride the fence and be right regardless of the outcome.

Not sure what there is to be right about…was an honest question about how BB may or may not feel after Vrabes wins a SB, if ever. Wasn’t starting a pissing contest or anything…

 

[ahmed]

To me it indicates thst Bill lacked long term vision and adaptability at this point in his career. We are seeing the end result of no succession planning.

Not that complicated. He thought he could win with anybody. Literally the only thing that makes sense.

 

[ahmed]

so I guess people can finally accept bill didnt want to keep brady

If Bill put a statement out tomorrow saying he forced Brady out, there would be people on this forum trying to explain how that's not what happened and that he meant it was a mutual parting.

 

[Triumph]

The Patriots were worth around 465 million $$$ when Kraft gave Belichick full control over football operations. They were worth 7 Billion when he fired him, and then did a nasty hit job on the guy whose leadership brought them 6 Lombardi’s and the greatest dynasty in NDL history. If anyone owes in that relationship it’s Kraft.

For Kraft to complain that BB had too much control is a joke.

Whenever Kraft gets too involved with football operations ( like now ) the Pats lose.

 

[Triumph]

Not that complicated. He thought he could win with anybody. Literally the only thing that makes sense.

Same as Tuna.

The system is what wins by executing it and not any single player.

 

[XLIX]

1) The players rank him 31st out of 32 teams.

That is a misrepresentation. Kraft was slightly better. However I don’t buy those rankings. In the ownership category, the Falcons got and A+. The Raiders got an A. Jerruh got a B.

Which of those owners would you rather have than Kraft? Unless you run a barbershop in Foxboro, do you want Marc Davis? Bears fans despise their ownership group - which got an A- in the NFLPA poll.

 

[Huckleberry1]

All of this works both ways.

"Bill's actions without Tom Brady tell the whole story". You can't use this logic with Kraft and then ignore it with Belichick (especially when Kraft can say he had a team go to a SB without Belichick being the HC and without Brady even being in the league). At that point only Brady comes out looking clean.

"Name another owner who hired 3 Hall of Fame Coaches". That's a pretty impressive evaluation of talent no matter how you slice it. Also he had Belichick for 24 seasons. Landry and Shula are the only other coaches who had a longer tenure with a single franchise.

You can't just cherry pick one person's contributions to prop up others and then ignore similar issues with those other people.

Kraft has only hired 1 HOF coach, Belichick. Orthwein hired Parcells, and Pete Carroll has won 1 Super Bowl, he’s not a HOF coach.

 

[Wozzy]

Kraft made the right choice by stopping a trade of the GOAT in order to turn things over to an above average QB.

so I guess people can finally accept bill didnt want to keep brady

We’re listing things that never happened and pretending they did now?

 

[Wozzy]

If Bill put a statement out tomorrow saying he forced Brady out, there would be people on this forum trying to explain how that's not what happened and that he meant it was a mutual parting.

Both Bob and Bill said they offered Tom a contract for 2020. He decided to leave.

It’s the “free” part of free agency you’re struggling with.

 

[Wozzy]

This conversation always devolves into Degrassi Junior High nonsense.

Tom left for the best situation available. The Patriots needed to reset and start over. There doesn’t have to be a bad guy, all things end. It wasn’t about feelings, it was about millions of dollars and the chance to win another ring before it all ended.

Good grief, the drama and soap opera nonsense here would made teenage girls blush with embarrassment.

 

[signbabybrady]

If Bill put a statement out tomorrow saying he forced Brady out, there would be people on this forum trying to explain how that's not what happened and that he meant it was a mutual parting.

So it's not enough to say it was mistake? What does he have to say it was because of ego for you to be happy? Maybe just wait to read what he actually says in the chapter. But why do that when you can just push the same old trope that is completely fabricated.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If Bill put a statement out tomorrow saying he forced Brady out, there would be people on this forum trying to explain how that's not what happened and that he meant it was a mutual parting.

Sure but that isn't what happened.

On the other hand, we know for a fact Tom didn't want to come back and his reasons were legit.

 

[sb1]

But I also don't think he has any need or want to get into any debates or telling of his side of any gates or anything one would consider gossip.

I thought TB12 might shine some light on that stuff in his own book but maybe not if he has part ownership of an NFL team...

 

[signbabybrady]

I thought TB12 might shine some light on that stuff in his own book but maybe not if he has part ownership of an NFL team...

I don't see Brady getting into much of the gossipy stuff either.

However I could picture him putting something in to explain his side in someway.

Doubtful he'd say much as even the logical explanation he'd say would be called out as BS by his haters and would kind of throw the equipment guys further under the bus.

I could picture him writing something minor basically saying he never ordered a code red. That he just told people what his preferences were and they took it too far by taking action after the ref inspection. Or something somewhat like that.

But at this point I just don't see much benefit for themselves to say anything. Anything either of them say on that sort of stuff just feeds the trolls more and will never be a satisfactory explanation to the masses.