Campbell Or Simmons/Conerly Plus A Couple Picks

[Huckleberry1]

Simmons will probably play 1/2 next year, we'll have Lowe or some other bum until then Huck.

That’s ok, as long as he turns into a great OL from there on. I’d be fine with any combination of the top 6 OL with their first 2 picks.

 

[Grogan14]

Chicago, Houston,KC and now Miami are serious threats to gobble up tackles via trade up etc. Don’t get too cute on the trade back and screw yourself out of your selected target. They also know we are looking for LT as well.

This 100%. Do not get too cute and miss out on the tackle you want

 

[WhatJustHappened]

I get it, we CANNOT FAIL at fixing the OL THIS YEAR.
I'm JAG like everyone else here, but I've seen enough.

 

[varjao]

The Pats are drafting #38 which means they are number 6 on the line in the 2nd round, that's a lot of movement there before they pick. I can totally see a run for OT's in the end of 1st beginning of 2nd and they are left there once again with no lady to dance.

They can't mess around with the LT position anymore. Every team wants one even if it's for the future.

I'm really afraid Carter is there at #4 and they make the obvious pick. I wouldn't mind being a little unconventional there, they have to fix this line for ****s sake, it's the piece of the puzzle to already compete in 2025.

 

[signbabybrady]

The interest in trading back is because the OT’s seem to all be on the same tier, although not all equal. So you can move to ten, get a good 2nd round pick, get your tackle, and then have the capital to trade back into the first round for another player. Basically it makes the most sense in terms of value, but it’s just one of their options at 4.

I Just think we need to accept that OTs aren't the only way to go and I don't want to miss out on other talent.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I Just think we need to accept that OTs aren't the only way to go and I don't want to miss out on other talent.

I was just answering your question about the value of trading back. I’m fine with all sorts of players in this draft.

 

[mgteich]

I'm JAG like everyone else here, but I've seen enough.

Compared to 2024, the patriots will new starters at every OL position but RG and we did sign a backup OG.
We might even draft or sign another OL.

This may not be up to your lofty standards, but the OL talent is much better than in 2024.

 

[mgteich]

We know hard it to get competent LT's and QB's, and just how critical these positions are.

Yet, when teams draft these positions high in the draft, it is shocking and an overdraft.
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Be prepared to be shocked when Dart and Simmons are drafted in the top 15, Conerly in the 25 and Ersery in the first round. Be prepared for all OT's available at 38 are serious "overdrafts".
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Why do we continue to be surprised at the high market costs of these positions in free agency and in the draft?

 

[varjao]

We know hard it to get competent LT's and QB's, and just how critical these positions are.

Yet, when teams draft these positions high in the draft, it is shocking and an overdraft.
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Be prepared to be shocked when Dart and Simmons are drafted in the top 15, Conerly in the 25 and Ersery in the first round. Be prepared for all OT's available at 38 are serious "overdrafts".
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Why do we continue to be surprised at the high market costs of these positions in free agency and in the draft?

Exactly, Connerly and Ersery gone at #38 and we are back in the same spot we were in 2024.

Another thing the move back in the 1st a lot of folks are talking, ain't going to be easy to move from #38 to #28-30, it's going to cost some good draft capital we also need in the 3rd and 4th round.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Compared to 2024, the patriots will new starters at every OL position but RG and we did sign a backup OG.
We might even draft or sign another OL.

This may not be up to your lofty standards, but the OL talent is much better than in 2024.

What?

 

[mgteich]

Exactly, Connerly and Ersery gone at #38 and we are back in the same spot we were in 2024.

Another thing the move back in the 1st a lot of folks are talking, ain't going to be easy to move from #38 to #28-30, it's going to cost some good draft capital we also need in the 3rd and 4th round.

I think than even you underestimate the difficulty of trading into first round and getting a starting LT? I don't think that 28-20 is nearly enough. I suspect that to be relatively sure of getting the LT that we want out of the second tier, we will need to move into 20-25.

There are only six OT's in these first two levels (8 last year). Two are likely to be gone in the top 12. I would not be surprised to see the remining four to be gone by 25, if they even last that long. In addition, it is not clear that every one of the six is a player that the team wants.

 

[DW Toys]

IF we trade back just far enough to draft Will Campbell (gaining an extra 2d Round Pick which will give us two), I'd then use one of those 2nd Round Picks and a 3rd or whatever would get us back into the 1st Round enough to also get Simmons (if they like his medical reports), or Conerly Jr. Then, hopefully get Jayden Higgins with our second 2nd Round Pick. That way, if Campbell can be a solid or better LT, then Simmons or Conerly Jr. can be a Swing Tackle/Backup LT/Possible flip to RT when Moses leaves. Or, worse case scenario, Campbell is put at LG and Simmons or Conerly Jr. get put at LT. Even if we don't get Higgins with the second 2nd Round Pick, we need to get one of those 2nd Round gems at WR (and NOT another Slot WR).

Cousin, I like your train of thought.
Great Sunday breakfast of a veggie omelet infused with bits of bacon, two thick buttered pieces of cinnamon toast, a hash brown patty and pomegranate cranberry juice along with a jot chocolate.

I liked most of Phil Perry's and Morse's Draft but changed a few players. Loved the BPA at #4 in Tyler Warren. There is your receiver. swap with the saints to #6 and pick up #40 and still get him. Now get back into Round one at pick #17 from the Bengals giving them back #116 and #69 (third round) Pick up Josh Simmons OT Ohio State.. Well I am giving the Bengals a player to get Trey Hendrickson because we can afford him and they can't #106 (our forth).

Pick #77 I am going another 0T Ersery from Minnesota

There will be more but here is a start for today.
Thoughts?

DW Toys

 

[JohnJH]

Cousin, I like your train of thought.
Great Sunday breakfast of a veggie omelet infused with bits of bacon, two thick buttered pieces of cinnamon toast, a hash brown patty and pomegranate cranberry juice along with a jot chocolate.

I liked most of Phil Perry's and Morse's Draft but changed a few players. Loved the BPA at #4 in Tyler Warren. There is your receiver. swap with the saints to #6 and pick up #40 and still get him. Now get back into Round one at pick #17 from the Bengals giving them back #116 and #69 (third round) Pick up Josh Simmons OT Ohio State.. Well I am giving the Bengals a player to get Trey Hendrickson because we can afford him and they can't #106 (our forth).

Pick #77 I am going another 0T Ersery from Minnesota

There will be more but here is a start for today.
Thoughts?

DW Toys

You know, you're idea is better than any Patriots Mock Draft's that I've seen! If we came away with those 3 players, then anything else that we get in the draft would be a bonus. I'd rather come away with 3 absolutely solid to great players, than 5 to 9 bare-bones starters/Jags.

 

[Grogan14]

Demand for quality starting LT far exceeds supply. Lots of teams with huge need.
Make sure you get one you want with first 2 picks
The idea of trading back into first round may be shared by many other teams and there could be a high price

May be best to just take your first choice at 4

 

[imahobgoblin]

I doubt we can get simmons from trading up with our second rd pick. I think in a trade down it would be a more lilely scenario to get him. Maybe around 10-15? Same for Conerly, i think his ranking on the mock big board simulators is way too low

38+69 get us close to 24, if the Vikings want to dance. I am afraid the starting LTs are gone by 38, including Ersery. Trapilo would be the next option. I am just not sure if he is ready to be a starter. So if we cannot trade down from 4, we have to trade up to mid 20s.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Demand for quality starting LT far exceeds supply. Lots of teams with huge need.
Make sure you get one you want with first 2 picks
The idea of trading back into first round may be shared by many other teams and there could be a high price

May be best to just take your first choice at 4

I think we might actually agree on something. But I can see the scenario of trading down to 10-15 and still getting a starting LT. Its just a gamble. I say take Campbell at 4 if Hunter or Carter are gone. Take a WR at 38, and then another development LT at 69. If Campbell gets beat up, he can move to guard and a guy like Trapilo can slide to LT.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Demand for quality starting LT far exceeds supply. Lots of teams with huge need.
Make sure you get one you want with first 2 picks
The idea of trading back into first round may be shared by many other teams and there could be a high price

May be best to just take your first choice at 4

If they trade back it shouldn’t be past the Bears at 10. They can get a 2nd round pick for that move, and still get one of the top tier tackles. There won’t be 4 tackles gone in the first 9 picks, especially since the only way one goes in the top 4 picks is if Patriots take one. In other words for the Patriots to get shut out of a top 4 tackle at 10 would be if 4 of them went in the 5 picks between 5-9, and that’s not going to happen. However the only way I see the Bears trading up to 4 is if A) Carter is there, or B) they want to make sure they get Ashton Jeanty, and believe the Raiders will take him at 6.

 

[ViperGTS]

I'm starting to get into the Simmons idea. Keep trading back, and trading back getting assets then grab him in the mid to late teens. Vrabel knows the guy and they need a LT. Use the trove of other picks to move around into next year or this year etc etc.

 

[mgteich]

I'm starting to get into the Simmons idea. Keep trading back, and trading back getting assets then grab him in the mid to late teens. Vrabel knows the guy and they need a LT. Use the trove of other picks to move around into next year or this year etc etc.

Simmons or Conerly

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Compared to 2024, the patriots will new starters at every OL position but RG and we did sign a backup OG.
We might even draft or sign another OL.

This may not be up to your lofty standards, but the OL talent is much better than in 2024.

Stop it already, I'm happy they are TRYING, But don't fkn tell me how much better they are.
Lofty Standards?
Why don't you create ANOTHER fkn thread, we don't see enough of your fkn NONSENSE already.

Bah