Caedan Wallace?

[Hugepatsfan]

If Wallace is eventually moved inside to guard, it could be as a replacement for Onwenu next year. Next year Onwenu will be entering the last year of his deal with $17.5M of cap savings if we waive him. It's just a lot of money for someone who hasn't taken the leap to all pro or even pro bowl level guard like it looked he was poised to do.

Cap space is fluid, but overthecap has us at under $8M for next year. We have $67.8M this year, of which a large portion is likely rolled over. We also have a list of guys besides Onwenu who will be cut between now and next year. My guess is when it's all said and done we enter next offseason as one of, if not the league leader in cap space once again, and will shop at the top of the FA market again. But I do think part of that will be moving on from Onwenu if other guys emerge. Wallace transitioning inside to RG could be part of that.

 

[PatsFan2]

If Wallace is eventually moved inside to guard, it could be as a replacement for Onwenu next year. Next year Onwenu will be entering the last year of his deal with $17.5M of cap savings if we waive him. It's just a lot of money for someone who hasn't taken the leap to all pro or even pro bowl level guard like it looked he was poised to do.

Cap space is fluid, but overthecap has us at under $8M for next year. We have $67.8M this year, of which a large portion is likely rolled over. We also have a list of guys besides Onwenu who will be cut between now and next year. My guess is when it's all said and done we enter next offseason as one of, if not the league leader in cap space once again, and will shop at the top of the FA market again. But I do think part of that will be moving on from Onwenu if other guys emerge. Wallace transitioning inside to RG could be part of that.

I think Layden Robinson is going to be better this year with the Coaching...even Clueless Mayo liked him.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Honestly? If they could get a 3rd rounder or early 4th for Onwenu AND get out of that awful contract this draft I’d do it.

He isn’t a special guard by any metrics. Wallace, Strange, or a rookie could likely replace him adequately. My hunch is the contract they gave him assumed he’s be a RT…we know how that turned out.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think Layden Robinson is going to be better this year with the Coaching...even Clueless Mayo liked him.

Yeah I'm still somewhat optimistic for him even though he looked really, really bad last year on the field. We'll see.

Like I said, I don't view Onwenu as here for the long haul. Strange is also a FA next year and his long term home may still be at C anyway. We all know the LT situation. Bradbury is fine as a stop gap but the type of guy who ideally gets beat out eventually. Moses is solid on paper but at his age shouldn't come as a shock to anyone if he only lasts for 1 year. We all know the LT situation. The OL is still totally in flux.

Layden Robinson, Caedan Wallace, Sidy Sow, Jake Andrews are all recent 3rd/4th round picks and to the extent that any of them can emerge would be a huge boost. Doesn't even necessarily have to be this season, but at least do enough in practice that the coaching staff can feel good about at least one or two of those guys factoring in for playing time in 2026 season, just to give us options should any/all of Strange/Bradbury/Onwenu/Moses need to be replaced whether it's contract status or poor play.

 

[PatsFan2]

Honestly? If they could get a 3rd rounder or early 4th for Onwenu AND get out of that awful contract this draft I’d do it.

He isn’t a special guard by any metrics. Wallace, Strange, or a rookie could likely replace him adequately. My hunch is the contract they gave him assumed he’s be a RT…we know how that turned out.

Michal Fatwenu is thanking Wolf and Mayo daily he probably erected a shrine to both of them.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Michal Fatwenu is thanking Wolf and Mayo daily he probably erected a shrine to both of them.

Yeah it’s pretty disrespectful to have an org give you a massive contract and then immediately show up outright fat and out of shape . Can’t imagine Vrabes taking kindly to **** like that

 

[DaBruinz]

I just read a blurb that was trying to describe just how BAD the Pats OL was. It mentioned he was sacked 10% of his drop backs and hurried 20% of the time.

It occurred to me that that meant that he WASN'T sacked 90% of the time and not hurried EIGHTY percent of the time. Imagine if you had that kind of success rate at the plate in baseball or a shooting percentage in BBall. Just trying to put some perspective, when we call players bums who win 80% of the time

I'm NOT trying to say that we don't need to improve the OL, but to add some perspective to the thought that it's all about changing the players is the ONLY way to improve. I would opine that better coaching, offensive schemes, or better QB/receiver play and better mental discipline is all that needed to move the needle so we are at the 85% level of non-hurries and 5% level of sacks. Those are the kind of stats that decent OL's get to.

We've had a LOT of very successful offensive linemen who were not even red chippers who had successful careers because the maxed out their ability and where in a good system with good coaches.

Let's face it. There just aren't any blue-chip OT's in this draft, so why agonize about it. I'll be happy to see us get one guy who improves the athletic talent at LT and begins to develop that talent. Remember the kid the eagles got from NZ, didn't see much of the field until his THIRD year. Draft and DEVELOP. To do that you need skill and continuity. 2 things we don't have.... yet.

I think that Campbell and Membou will end up being very good to excellent football players. fI stopped trying to predict "All-Pro" vs. top 10 for their position vs. adequate a long time ago. I care whether they are healthy and improve. despite the adversity.

My take on Wallace is that we have no clue what kind of player he's going to be. Anyone who says that they can determine Wallace's abilities based on 98 OT snaps is delusional.

As you mentioned, continuity on the O-line has been an issue over the past 3 years. No one could have predicted Andrews getting hurt. Or Calvin Anderson catching malaria. Or Wallace's leg getting broken while subbing in as a Jumbo TE. Hopefully, those issues are in the past.

 

[dliverey44]

Who’s Strong?

Hopefully the entire OL is strong this year

 

[dliverey44]

I just read a blurb that was trying to describe just how BAD the Pats OL was. It mentioned he was sacked 10% of his drop backs and hurried 20% of the time.

It occurred to me that that meant that he WASN'T sacked 90% of the time and not hurried EIGHTY percent of the time. Imagine if you had that kind of success rate at the plate in baseball or a shooting percentage in BBall. Just trying to put some perspective, when we call players bums who win 80% of the time

I'm NOT trying to say that we don't need to improve the OL, but to add some perspective to the thought that it's all about changing the players is the ONLY way to improve. I would opine that better coaching, offensive schemes, or better QB/receiver play and better mental discipline is all that needed to move the needle so we are at the 85% level of non-hurries and 5% level of sacks. Those are the kind of stats that decent OL's get to.

We've had a LOT of very successful offensive linemen who were not even red chippers who had successful careers because the maxed out their ability and where in a good system with good coaches.

Let's face it. There just aren't any blue-chip OT's in this draft, so why agonize about it. I'll be happy to see us get one guy who improves the athletic talent at LT and begins to develop that talent. Remember the kid the eagles got from NZ, didn't see much of the field until his THIRD year. Draft and DEVELOP. To do that you need skill and continuity. 2 things we don't have.... yet.

Campbell said in an interview that if a DE gets 1 sack a game in college he is a top 2 round guy with his 12-13 sacks and if OT gives up 1 sack a game he is not getting drafted. That really put it into perspective for me, so much more is expected out of OL and those guys do not get to come out of the game for a breather like almost every other position.

 

[billdog3484]

Campbell said in an interview that if a DE gets 1 sack a game in college he is a top 2 round guy with his 12-13 sacks and if OT gives up 1 sack a game he is not getting drafted. That really put it into perspective for me, so much more is expected out of OL and those guys do not get to come out of the game for a breather like almost every other position.

Yah because top 5 tackles don’t give up many sacks . That’s just the way it is. If he said that, I kind of don’t like it

 

[n1997y]

Yah because top 5 tackles don’t give up many sacks . That’s just the way it is. If he said that, I kind of don’t like it

So, you agree it’s true, but don’t like that he said it?

 

[mnpatfan]

If Jacobs or Lowe make the 53 (let alone start) at any point in 2025, it will be a concern. Those two are not nfl players. I'd rather get another developmental player on the roster or practice squad and let Jacobs and Lowe go fishing.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Honestly? I think he’s a guard they tried to stick at tackle. Try him at LG.

Why do you think that a 6'5" guy with 34 inch arms who was a good to very good RT at a legit college program playing against good competition (started 13 games his last year at PS and allowed only 1 sack) should be tried at LG? He probably wasn't ready to be a starter at RT day 1 as a NFL rookie and then Wolf and Co. stupidly tried to make him their day 1 starter at LT, before injuries scuttled most of his 2024 season.

Why don't we show some patience and see how he looks at RT after a full off-season with this coaching staff, before trying to convert him to OG.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Why don't we show some patience and see how he looks at RT after a full off-season with this coaching staff, before trying to convert him to OG.

I agree. Let's see how Wallace does.

We do have a hole at LG in 2025, and RG in 2026 if we are going to let Onwenu go to save $17.5M. We have a few candidates, Sow, J Andrews, Robinson, but Wallace might be better.

 

[Since1960]

I’ve never seen anyone claim a guy was qualified to be an NFL LT because his college OL coach says he would have been the backup there if needed.
Great evaluation but you left out that his mother says he is smart, works hard and damn good looking.

Good thing the Penn State OL coach didn’t mention Wallace also took snaps and had a “plus” arm! Wolf may have not drafted Milton and there goes our new 5th rounder!

 

[Huckleberry1]

I just read a blurb that was trying to describe just how BAD the Pats OL was. It mentioned he was sacked 10% of his drop backs and hurried 20% of the time.

It occurred to me that that meant that he WASN'T sacked 90% of the time and not hurried EIGHTY percent of the time. Imagine if you had that kind of success rate at the plate in baseball or a shooting percentage in BBall. Just trying to put some perspective, when we call players bums who win 80% of the time

I'm NOT trying to say that we don't need to improve the OL, but to add some perspective to the thought that it's all about changing the players is the ONLY way to improve. I would opine that better coaching, offensive schemes, or better QB/receiver play and better mental discipline is all that needed to move the needle so we are at the 85% level of non-hurries and 5% level of sacks. Those are the kind of stats that decent OL's get to.

We've had a LOT of very successful offensive linemen who were not even red chippers who had successful careers because the maxed out their ability and where in a good system with good coaches.

Let's face it. There just aren't any blue-chip OT's in this draft, so why agonize about it. I'll be happy to see us get one guy who improves the athletic talent at LT and begins to develop that talent. Remember the kid the eagles got from NZ, didn't see much of the field until his THIRD year. Draft and DEVELOP. To do that you need skill and continuity. 2 things we don't have.... yet.

Those numbers are way off Ken, Their pressure rate was close to 50%, and their running backs were only averaging 1 yard before contact. They had the worst OL in football.

 

[hornetfb85]

If Jacobs or Lowe make the 53 (let alone start) at any point in 2025, it will be a concern. Those two are not nfl players. I'd rather get another developmental player on the roster or practice squad and let Jacobs and Lowe go fishing.

Late Rd prospect > Lowe > A Pee Wee LT > A Folding chair > Jacobs

 

[RobertWeathers]

If Jacobs or Lowe make the 53 (let alone start) at any point in 2025, it will be a concern. Those two are not nfl players. I'd rather get another developmental player on the roster or practice squad and let Jacobs and Lowe go fishing.

Lowe is absolutely an NFL player. He just isn't a starter. Solid swing tackle.

Jacobs is tbd

 

[hornetfb85]

Lowe is absolutely an NFL player. He just isn't a starter. Solid swing tackle.

Jacobs is tbd

Would agree on Lowe. Think he’d be fine as a backup. Jacob’s is not an NFL player.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Would agree on Lowe. Think he’d be fine as a backup. Jacob’s is not an NFL player.

Jacobs has the protoypical size for OT and especially the 36" arm length but not the athleticism- which is what we saw vs the 49ers. Broncos liked him, too and improved year 2 but clearly not enough as they cut him, but immediately signed him to their PS.

Maybe hes a PS emergency guy for us.