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Do people REALLY think Membou, a RT, IS Better than Campbell at LT?

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What are we talking about?
It’s not an unreasonable take.
Switching from right to left is severely overrated. Almost every LT starts out playing on the right side in college and switches.
It’s about the skill set not where you lined up. LT and RT are the same thing with the football reversed. It’s an easy adjustment.
Saying Membou can’t play on the left is more silly that saying Campbell arms are too short, which is also silly.
Anyone taking a closed minded no way in hell approach to either side is the crazy take.
 
Do y'all REALLY think moving a really good RT TO LT IS "No Problem"
I'm sick of hearing this GARBAGE, Wipe with your other hand.
Yes it really isn’t a problem.
If it was your job and you were paid $50,000,000 to wipe your ass with your left hand you would figure out. If you werent capable of that no one would considered you a prospect for anything.
 
Campbell is polarizing here. Just trade back, take the average player in Banks at 12-15. Then watch everyone whine when he’s just average. Or reach for Membou and everyone will whine when he’s an average LT instead of an all-pro RT. Or Simmons, then watch everyone whine when he’s Trent Brown 2.0.

It’s Campbell. Everything about that kid screams Vrabel culture fit.
It’s a fallacy to say Campbell is great and the other first round Ts rated very close to him are average.
And your Simmons comments are ridiculous
 
If you don’t have a conviction at 4, can’t find a trade partner… just take Ashton Jeanty, Mason Graham or Travis Hunter, go sign Tyron Smith or Joe Notebloom and draft a tackle in the second round. Don’t reach at 4, that’s a mistake.
 
I'll defer to BGC on this debate.

 
It’s a fallacy to say Campbell is great and the other first round Ts rated very close to him are average.
And your Simmons comments are ridiculous
I don't think Campbell is great, I think he's probably an above average to good NFL tackle, I think Banks is a little below him. Both should be fine day 1 starters in 2025. I have read reports of Simmons having questionable effort from time to time, but I do not have you tube clips to back it up. I have also read other reports that he is likely better than the other two, if not for the injury he should have been the first LT drafted. Unfortunately, none of the three are slam dunks at #4, which is why there's such debate on the pick and the value of it.
 
If you don’t have a conviction at 4, can’t find a trade partner… just take Ashton Jeanty, Mason Graham or Travis Hunter, go sign Tyron Smith or Joe Notebloom and draft a tackle in the second round. Don’t reach at 4, that’s a mistake.
Noteboom is bad, probably better off with Lowe and Wallace. I know... I know... ugh.

Hunter is a slam dunk at #4. The debate comes with what to do if he and Carter are gone, and there's no dance partner.
 
Noteboom is bad, probably better off with Lowe and Wallace. I know... I know... ugh.

Hunter is a slam dunk at #4. The debate comes with what to do if he and Carter are gone, and there's no dance partner.
Notebloom is an injury risk at this age, hasn’t been able to stay healthy… but he was a good player for a long time.

A lot of the top five players are slam dunks assuming health, but how much you value the position you’re drafting and how good you think they could be matters.

Suppose you knew in advance Hunter would become Devonta Smith, Graham would become JJ Watt, Jeanty would be Marshall Faulk or close to Barry Sanders… does Devonta Smith look like the best player? Not to me… maybe the best at a position of need.
 
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It's just so interesting how essentially a 1/2 of a inch in arm length has ~ 50% of the posters in the against category.

If Carter or Hunter aren't at #4, i'm good with Campbell or Graham with that pick. Either player will be a smart pick which will contribute Day 1.
5/8 of an inch, and suddenly we are all NFL scouts and talent evaluators.

If they are convinced it's Campbell at #4, I am good with it. The tape to warrant the pick is there. I don't think he's Tony Boselli or Anthony Munoz, but he's probably an every day player for a couple of contracts.
 
Trading back and taking Banks is not a terrible idea. Banks is hardly an "average" player.
I'm not convinced he's more than an average to good player in the NFL. I don't want that to mean I think he's not worth picking. I would trade back and take him or Campbell all day. I think he's a multi contract player, but I don't think he's a future all-pro. Might be one of those guys that gets a pro-bowl invite when the star LT bows out.
 
It's just so interesting how essentially a 1/2 of a inch in arm length has ~ 50% of the posters in the against category.
5/8 of an inch, and suddenly we are all NFL scouts and talent evaluators.


Wingspan is a whopping 5-6 inches shorter than average. His lack of reach is literally uncharted territory for an NFL LT. By a "wide" margin.

Here's @BaconGrundleCandy 's take.

Tape doesnt lie. Arm length aside Campbell's tape has enough with loses on speed to power, giving up inside counters, some whiffs outside and instances where he's touched first. First contact has always been key in the trenches and Campbell is routinely touched first. His slide is probably slightly above average, somewhat stiff, causing him to cheat a lot to the outside. That's why you'll see him give up the inside counter so much. He has to cheat to try to get to his spot to allow him to make first contact. And hes just not a powerhouse, play strength is an issue. He's pushed back often.
He's the Mason Graham of the OL. Fantastic leadership qualities, very strong presence on & off the field. Very vocal, well spoken and a tough, tough kid. Brought up right, tight farm family. He's an absolute weapon in the run game. Can play in any scheme imo but would obviously thrive in a zone heavy system. He also reminds me a lot like former NEP Joe Thuney. And we've seen the problems he has when put out at tackle. Essentially you're betting on a outlier in the top 4. Lottery picks should be foundation players you plug in for 8-10 years. He's not that. I think there's an outside chance he's a slightly above average tackle at best. That's not a top 5-10 pick imo. Even in a weak draft with only one blue chip player. Lets say you try him at tackle, he doesn't work out. Well there's no guarantee he'll just kick inside and be a monster there as weve seen with Skoronski. Too much risk for a top 5 pick.
 
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Wingspan is a whopping 5-6 inches shorter than average. His lack of reach is literally uncharted territory for an NFL LT. By a "wide" margin.

Here's @BaconGrundleCandy 's take.
I disagree with Bacon’s take at the end. I have no doubt Will Campbell can move inside and be a solid guard. But the Pats took Logan Mankins and Cole Strange at the end of the first round, a few picks from the second round… and people lost their minds.

If they take Campbell at 4, even if he becomes an All Pro guard, fans here will still resent the pick and the big hole at left tackle still won’t be filled. No guard is worth a 4th overall pick… and frankly the whining would be unbearable.
 
Graham only makes sense at 4 if Barmore can't go. Too rich for a rotational player.
I disagree.

You take players at 4 that impact games.

Who says Graham projects as only a rotational player?
 
Some trivia:

Trivia 1: Only two men have ever had the prerequisite measurements and exhibited Membou's athletic traits, including running a sub-5 40: Tristan Wirfs and Trent Williams.

Trivia 2: Both Wirfs and Williams were RTs in college. It's never easy, but if you have the traits, talent, and are young enough, it's not uncommon to make the switch.

Trivia 3: Caedan Wallace and Chuks Okorafor are 4 and 6 years older than Membou. They also have less athleticism combined in their whole bodies than Membou does in his pinky toe. Bringing up how switching them worked out brings nothing to the discussion.

Trivia 4: Nobody has ever done what we want Will Campbell to do--- become a functional OT in the NFL with a 77 inch wingspan. He'd be the very first. Is that the gamble we want to take?
 
It's pretty cut and dry to me. The 4th pick needs to be a long-term, impact player. This is not the place to take a risk. Assuming Carter and Hunter are gone (they will be), you don't take either at 4. Period. Full stop.
 
It’s not an unreasonable take.
Switching from right to left is severely overrated. Almost every LT starts out playing on the right side in college and switches.
It’s about the skill set not where you lined up. LT and RT are the same thing with the football reversed. It’s an easy adjustment.
Saying Membou can’t play on the left is more silly that saying Campbell arms are too short, which is also silly.
Anyone taking a closed minded no way in hell approach to either side is the crazy take.
There is an adjustment period but for a 21 year old with his athleticism it should be quick. The pro OL coaches are going to rebuild everything he does anyway.
 
I don't think Campbell is great, I think he's probably an above average to good NFL tackle, I think Banks is a little below him. Both should be fine day 1 starters in 2025. I have read reports of Simmons having questionable effort from time to time, but I do not have you tube clips to back it up. I have also read other reports that he is likely better than the other two, if not for the injury he should have been the first LT drafted. Unfortunately, none of the three are slam dunks at #4, which is why there's such debate on the pick and the value of it.
I’ve seen almost every Simmons game, and those “reports” are wrong. He would be a #4 guy if he was 100% healthy.
Trading down is by far smartest move.
In a perfect world we use what we get in trade to go back up into round 1 and draft a wr (Egbuka?)
 
It’s not an unreasonable take.
Switching from right to left is severely overrated. Almost every LT starts out playing on the right side in college and switches.
It’s about the skill set not where you lined up. LT and RT are the same thing with the football reversed. It’s an easy adjustment.
Saying Membou can’t play on the left is more silly that saying Campbell arms are too short, which is also silly.
Anyone taking a closed minded no way in hell approach to either side is the crazy take.

If it was that easy, why wouldn't elite RTs in the NFL switch to LTs? LTs get paid far more than RTs. There aren't enough LTs to go around. I mean Owenu does a pretty good job at RT when there is guys around him. Why not just move him to LT?

Here is an article talking about why it is so difficult to impossible for most RTs to make the transition to LT.

 
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