Wolf prefers to go best player available

[Steve102]

I think it would serve the Pats well to bring Scar in as a consultant and do a deep dive on the top 7 or 8 tackles in this draft. If I had to guess they probably have had some conversations with him already.

My understanding is there is some level of relationship there. Reports are that he's worked closely with Ozzy Trapilo and I would not be shocked if they took him in the 2nd. I have read reports Trapilo will not get past the Eagles at #64.

Further, Scar did a deep dive with Phil Perry on Campbell. Says Campbell can play and the arm length issue is a non-factor when you consider the player as a whole.

 

[Triumph]

I have a feeling this draft will be different just like FA has been very different from the previous management. Vrabel has hit the ground running and it shows.

Looks good on paper, but that is true every season.

Vrabel is likely in the 6 - 8 wins column.

 

[mgteich]

Obviously, the open question is the order of BPA on Vrabel's draft board.
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The best guard could be Vrabel's BPA, or the best RT or the best RB or the best CB or the best NT. The BPA could even be Vrabel's highest rated LT.

 

[Grogan14]

If I was Brian Daboll and on hot seat and had to choose between bpa and someone who could help immediately (hunter) or a player who may need 2-3 years to develop (sanders)
Its an easy choice.
Giants will take Hunter leaving pats in a difficult choice.
Mason or Campbell or trade down
I think they trade down and take Campbell

 

[Patsfan1645]

yup, already been pointed out that because they are the same height, Ashton Jeanty's NFL equivalent is Barry Sanders... gotcha

By that logic we made a mistake, should have drafted JJ McCarthy instead of Drake Maye last year... damn, we are doomed...

The kid came 30 yards from breaking Berry's single season NCAA record which has stood for almost 40 years. His prospect grade is the best in this draft as is his next gen stats grading out at 95. He beats out Carter and Hunter in both. I have said in another post there is only one Barry but if you want to point at this kid and use him as measuring stick to say the talent in this class sucks. Please bring something to the table to support it other than your opinion.

 

[Pape]

The kid came 30 yards from breaking Berry's single season NCAA record which has stood for almost 40 years.

at boise state not oklahoma state

didn't say he was not good.

but comparing him to the all time great? spare me, lol

 

[Steve102]

at boise state not oklahoma state

didn't say he was not good.

but comparing him to the all time great? spare me, lol

I've read other reports comparing him to Sanders. I'm not saying he is, simply saying 1645 isn't alone in his thinking.

 

[Patsfan1645]

at boise state not oklahoma state

Kid rushed for over 2600 yards but I'm sure anyone in their division could have done that. You don't want to give the kid credit for talent that's fine I am moving on.

 

[RobertWeathers]

so you want to compared a generational talent who was quite literally the best player in the 1989 draft, who would have gone first overall if Dallas didn't

Prob true but if we played out the 1989 draft based on the careers they've had strong argument can be made Deion Sanders goes #1. Derrick Thomas goes 2, Barry goes 3 and Aikman goes 4.

 

[Headcase]

I think its going to take more than a 3rd to move back up into the first round. The Vikes are low on picks, but I'm not sure they are interested in moving out of the 1st round altogether.

It might, be it shouldn't be much more than a 3rd:

24 for 38,69 5% in favor of Minn

A similar trade from 2022
26,101 for 35,69,163 3% in favor.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think its going to take more than a 3rd to move back up into the first round. The Vikes are low on picks, but I'm not sure they are interested in moving out of the 1st round altogether.

I think it will take 2 second round picks, which is why making a deal with Chicago of #4 for #10 & #41 makes the most sense.

 

[Huckleberry1]

so you want to compared a generational talent who was quite literally the best player in the 1989 draft, who would have gone first overall if Dallas didn't need a QB, to Ashton Jeanty from the Midwest Conference Boise State? Okay... cool, good on you

Your feelings must have really been hurt yesterday... really let those feelings of inadequacy take over didn't ya, if you feel the need to take a potshot at me... copy catting a post Sam already made two days ago... little late to the game, more than a little bit unoriginal Ivan... If the best you can do is parrot sam bam... well, lmao...

Jeanty might do fine in the NFL... might not. I certainly hope we don't find out by using the 4th overall selection on him

Not at all, I can’t control it if you make a fool out of yourself. Hope you had a good cry and got it out of your system.

Jeanty is a really good player, and one of the few worth the 4 pick, and the fact that you don’t understand that, and instead make sweeping generalizations about picking running back demonstrates that you really haven’t done much research on this draft.

 

[Pape]

Not at all, I can’t control it if you make a fool out of yourself. Hope you had a good cry and got it out of your system.

Jeanty is a really good player, and one of the few worth the 4 pick, and the fact that you don’t understand that, and instead make sweeping generalizations about picking running back demonstrates that you really haven’t done much research on this draft.

Generalizations is it? How about I tell you why I don't think ashton jeanty is worth the 4th overall pick in the draft...
is that 7 yards per carry average sustainable in the NFL? No it is not.
He going to get 2600 yards in the NFL? hell no
Can he average 100 ypg? doubtful... only three guys managed it this year... and the last one before that was in 2021
is he going to rush for 29 td's? No, he's not. hell it takes most good RBs three or four years to achieve that
do i think that the teams he ran against gave up an average 180+ yards per game? Yes I do. Handful topped 200 ypg...
do I think that the best defense he faced last year (penn st) kept him in check? Yes I do. 104, 3.5 ypc average
Do I think that is a better representation of his talent level? Much closer to that than the 7.0 ypc he had this year.

does he have talent? sure, when hes running against hawaii, utah, air force etc... is that going to transition to the NFL... Maybe... am I spending the 4th overall pick on him? No effing way...

as for draft research, i do some... not as much as some guys, more than others...

Oh, and Ki-jana Carter says Hi

 

[Grogan14]

bet i can name more failed 5'8" running backs than you can name 5'8"

 

[scott99]

I’d say we have a 20 percent chance Of Hunter being there.

I agree with this. Pray for Shedeur Sanders having a HUGE pro day on 4/4 though. May sway the Giant’s thinking.

 

[scott99]

Prob true but if we played out the 1989 draft based on the careers they've had strong argument can be made Deion Sanders goes #1. Derrick Thomas goes 2, Barry goes 3 and Aikman goes 4.

What a crazy draft. 4 of the top 5 picks went into the Hall of Fame, with the Packers passing up Barry Sanders for OL Tony Mandarich. Hopefully history doesn’t repeat itself, don’t want to pick a lineman over Hunter.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Think we'll probably go Kicker at 4.

There you go!

 

[RobertWeathers]

What a crazy draft. 4 of the top 5 picks went into the Hall of Fame, with the Packers passing up Barry Sanders for OL Tony Mandarich. Hopefully history doesn’t repeat itself, don’t want to pick a lineman over Hunter.

Good docu on Tony Manadarich. Forget the name. Pretty remorseful. Felt bad for him.

 

[scott99]

Good docu on Tony Manadarich. Forget the name. Pretty remorseful. Felt bad for him.

Mostly the scouts fault as far as scouting him. Today he would’ve been seen for what he was, not a superstar talent.

 

[Pape]

I've read other reports comparing him to Sanders. I'm not saying he is, simply saying 1645 isn't alone in his thinking.

Lets try to clear this up, shall we? ... somewhere, somehow i must have made a post which said Ashton Jeanty sucked ass... which is kinda crazy because I don't remember those words flowing off my keyboard... What I did say was "I don't think a 5'8 1/2", 211 pound RB was the 4th best player in the draft, and that if he was the overall talent in this draft sucked ass." Its all there, you can go read it. I have not edited the post.

I did not say he sucked. I do not think he was the 4th best player in the draft. There is, you know, a difference between the two statements.

Somewhere along the way, it was decided that I hate Ashton Jeanty, who has apparently become the second coming of Barry Sanders... which is also not true. If he is there at 38, by all means, take him. If you want to trade back into the mid first, 20-24ish, and he's there, take him.

But don't waste the 4th overall pick in the draft on a running back from the midwest conference.