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[Stu Pidassle]

Brian Hoyer said if Josh called him to help coach Drake he’s not going to say no. So I do like that presence there. does Hoyers game resemble Mayes no not at all. But I think multiple voices like a Hoyer and say a former QB who was also known to rush a bit like say a Cam Newton I would like to have him have that multifaceted perspective.

I see the logic, I just don't see Cam's personality as a good fit as a coach. As much as Cam's leadership was a revelation, I envision the instruction going something like "Drake, did you know that I used to be able to run over 15 defenders at once while wearing a feathered fedora and throwing the ball over the mountain?".

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Link?

I saw him say that in an interview today, he said he would consider coming out of retirement, if Josh asked.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Link?

Josh McDaniels' rumored interest in Patriots sparks reunion hint from Tom Brady's former backup QB, he's 39 years old

The New England Patriots have a head coach and by extension could end up with a new but familiar face.

nflanalysis.net

he said it on NBC Sports Boston as well.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If the do decide Josh is the guy and they want to run E/P, Hoyer would be an interesting choice as an assistant/QB coach because he has played in E/P, WC and the spread offense. He knows the subtleties and the differences of the systems.

As it relates to Drake, think of Hoyer as a glorified translator.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Like Brissett, Hoyer would be a bad mentor for Maye.

Why do you say that?

I'd think Maye has picked up QB pretty well learning from Jacoby Brissett just the daily stuff about being a professional QB. JB is a pro and he never complained when he lost the starting job, he knew he was preparing the way for Maye. His issue is he's not as talented as Maye, the professionalism is there from everything I've read about him.



"Dethroning New England captain Jacoby Brissett in just six weeks could have led to some awkwardness between the veteran and the rookie. However, Maye revealed to Steve Burton in a Patriots sit-down interview that that was never the case.

In fact, Maye and Brissett continue to have a strong friendship as Patriots teammates.

“It’s been awesome with Jacoby,” Maye told Burton. “He’s been one of the best teammates that I’ve ever been around, and a mentor to me. Learning how to study the call sheet and how to be a quarterback and the responsibility that comes with being a quarterback for the New England Patriots.”

article: Drake Maye praises Jacoby Brissett's leadership through QB transition.

 

[borg]

Brian Hoyer said if Josh called him to help coach Drake he’s not going to say no. So I do like that presence there. does Hoyers game resemble Mayes no not at all. But I think multiple voices like a Hoyer and say a former QB who was also known to rush a bit like say a Cam Newton I would like to have him have that multifaceted perspective.

Two years of Hoyer's "wisdom" surely impacted Mac Jones.

"Drake, this is how you string together a 15-game losing streak. Pay attention"

 

[Love The Drake]

Two years of Hoyer's "wisdom" surely impacted Mac Jones.

"Drake, this is how you string together a 15-game losing streak. Pay attention"

Watching both Hoyer and Jones warm up and practice live I was horrified to see Hoyer had the stronger arm.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

For example, if Vrabel wanted only Josh, he could have had two virtual interviews the day after he was hired.

Krafts already got criticism for their pro forma Rooney interviews - what you suggest would be bad optics.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

McDaniels on not loading too much complexity on a young QB. I like that he's dealt with QBs all the way from raw rookies up to the towering heights of Brady.

Josh McDaniels addresses how he would help Drake Maye if he had New England Patriots opportunity

Drake Maye and Josh McDaniels haven't joined forces, but McDaniels appears to already have a framework of a plan in place.

nflanalysis.net

 

[Zuma]

Davante Adams Explains How Josh McDaniels' System Held Back the Raiders' Offense - Raiders Beat

The Raiders $100 million offense ended up being the weakness of the team this...

www.raidersbeat.com

“We couldn’t be consistent enough on offense to be a playoff-level team. We definitely had the pieces. In my opinion, I think it’s going to be a whole new year next year. The system itself made it hard enough for us to succeed. You need a Tom Brady or an Aaron Rodgers to go in there and have your quarterback hit on every cylinder that consistently. That offense is just a nickel and dime offense…

I feel like based on what we have personnel wise, we could have done a lot better, but the scheme itself kind of held us back. We worked with what he had and we definitely didn’t execute the best that we could have at all times. Next year with a little bit of a different scheme on offense mixed with what we have personnel wise, I think we’ll be able to unlock a different version of our team.”

 

[dliverey44]

Then why haven't the un-qualified OL coaches been shown the door yet?

Maybe they aren't viewed as unqualified by anyone but fans.

 

[Vindicate]

Davante Adams Explains How Josh McDaniels' System Held Back the Raiders' Offense - Raiders Beat

The Raiders $100 million offense ended up being the weakness of the team this...

www.raidersbeat.com

“We couldn’t be consistent enough on offense to be a playoff-level team. We definitely had the pieces. In my opinion, I think it’s going to be a whole new year next year. The system itself made it hard enough for us to succeed. You need a Tom Brady or an Aaron Rodgers to go in there and have your quarterback hit on every cylinder that consistently. That offense is just a nickel and dime offense…

I feel like based on what we have personnel wise, we could have done a lot better, but the scheme itself kind of held us back. We worked with what he had and we definitely didn’t execute the best that we could have at all times. Next year with a little bit of a different scheme on offense mixed with what we have personnel wise, I think we’ll be able to unlock a different version of our team.”

This is where my reservation comes in with Josh. You truly do need a very, very cerebral QB and WR's to match. Godwin would be a great addition towards that, but the question isn't a matter of does Maye, but can Maye flourish in that?

Could Josh adjust on the fly if he comes to realize that Maye has a different style? That we've yet to see from his previous ventures without Brady.

This is all assuming if he really is in the running.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

Could Josh adjust on the fly if he comes to realize that Maye has a different style? That we've yet to see from his previous ventures without Brady.

Cam Newton would like a word.

 

[Ross12]

Davante Adams Explains How Josh McDaniels' System Held Back the Raiders' Offense - Raiders Beat

The Raiders $100 million offense ended up being the weakness of the team this...

www.raidersbeat.com

“We couldn’t be consistent enough on offense to be a playoff-level team. We definitely had the pieces. In my opinion, I think it’s going to be a whole new year next year. The system itself made it hard enough for us to succeed. You need a Tom Brady or an Aaron Rodgers to go in there and have your quarterback hit on every cylinder that consistently. That offense is just a nickel and dime offense…

I feel like based on what we have personnel wise, we could have done a lot better, but the scheme itself kind of held us back. We worked with what he had and we definitely didn’t execute the best that we could have at all times. Next year with a little bit of a different scheme on offense mixed with what we have personnel wise, I think we’ll be able to unlock a different version of our team.”

And how did that scheme change go for Mr. Pierce and Mr. Adams? Did they unlock their team as proposed once they got away from that awful McDaniels?

Let’s see… looks like Adams was traded away after team drama, the group finished 1 game out of being the league’s worst, and Pierce was fired after 1 season.

I guess it wasn’t Josh’s fault…

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

And how did that scheme change go for Mr. Pierce and Mr. Adams? Did they unlock their team as proposed once they got away from that awful McDaniels?

Let’s see… looks like Adams was traded away after team drama, the group finished 1 game out of being the league’s worst, and Pierce was fired after 1 season.

I guess it wasn’t Josh’s fault…

why? Where did McDaniels system work well without the GOAT at qb?

 

[dliverey44]

Yes and you don’t sound like a jerk, I think Brown would be an excellent RBs coach but I don’t know about OC.
I’m not sure about his play calling creativity.

I agree and Brady would be a good QB coach in my opinion

 

[Patsgofor4]

Cam Newton would like a word.

Correct and it is hilarious that many Pats fans ignore the fact that one of the main reasons that the Pats won the SB in 2019 was Bill and McDaniels’ decision to alter the offense from a passing-heavy scheme to a run-based offense, when it became clear that the team’s passing attack was never going to be able to take them far in the post-season.

The final straw was the abomination that occurred on the road in Pittsburgh. It had gotten so bad that Brady was seeing ghosts and turtling the first sign of pressure. Because he is the GOAT, TB12 came through when they needed him the most in the AFC championship game in KC but he was less of a factor in their success late in the season and in the playoffs than perhaps any year since his rookie year. That’s just a fact.

 

[WesternMAPatsfan]

Davante Adams Explains How Josh McDaniels' System Held Back the Raiders' Offense - Raiders Beat

The Raiders $100 million offense ended up being the weakness of the team this...

www.raidersbeat.com

“We couldn’t be consistent enough on offense to be a playoff-level team. We definitely had the pieces. In my opinion, I think it’s going to be a whole new year next year. The system itself made it hard enough for us to succeed. You need a Tom Brady or an Aaron Rodgers to go in there and have your quarterback hit on every cylinder that consistently. That offense is just a nickel and dime offense…

I feel like based on what we have personnel wise, we could have done a lot better, but the scheme itself kind of held us back. We worked with what he had and we definitely didn’t execute the best that we could have at all times. Next year with a little bit of a different scheme on offense mixed with what we have personnel wise, I think we’ll be able to unlock a different version of our team.”del

 

[Ross12]

why? Where did McDaniels system work well without the GOAT at qb?

Think you’re taking away the wrong conclusion.

Adams claimed that the system only works with a great QB and they’d be much more successful with a different scheme. They changed schemes and got worse. So seems like maybe that’s not the case.

 

[borisman]

Davante Adams Explains How Josh McDaniels' System Held Back the Raiders' Offense - Raiders Beat

The Raiders $100 million offense ended up being the weakness of the team this...

www.raidersbeat.com

“We couldn’t be consistent enough on offense to be a playoff-level team. We definitely had the pieces. In my opinion, I think it’s going to be a whole new year next year. The system itself made it hard enough for us to succeed. You need a Tom Brady or an Aaron Rodgers to go in there and have your quarterback hit on every cylinder that consistently. That offense is just a nickel and dime offense…

I feel like based on what we have personnel wise, we could have done a lot better, but the scheme itself kind of held us back. We worked with what he had and we definitely didn’t execute the best that we could have at all times. Next year with a little bit of a different scheme on offense mixed with what we have personnel wise, I think we’ll be able to unlock a different version of our team.”

“Personnel wise” they didn’t have a QB, which had a little something to do with it.