Vrabel's Staff Discussion Thread (Discuss related news here)

[Zuma]

Yep. I remember liking Pat Graham. In a lateral move left after the 2015 season to go to the NYG. He was Flo's DC in MIA in 2019...didn't do that great. Only lasted a year. Did well in 2020 and 2023....

In the very least he could help fulfill the Rooney rule.

Edit: and Julius Peppers

 

[p8ryts]

Hes 75. Christ.

This might shock you, but the brain doesn't atrophy at 75. Now it may for some people, and I hope for the best for you.

 

[RobertWeathers]

This might shock you, but the brain doesn't atrophy at 75. Now it may for some people, and I hope for the best for you.

This might shock you but at 75 you tend to slow down a bit. Thats why most people are retired by then.

 

[Zuma]

To be perfectly honest, I don't know why Vrabel would have to hide interest. McDaniels first choice would be coming back to the Patriots. I don't know if he ever moved his family from here because he has a kid with special needs and didn't want to move him.

I think it’s the optics of not doing a thorough OC search and the criticism that comes with it.

 

[signbabybrady]

It really is crazy how old these great coaches have gotten.

For example, RAC is 77. Scar is 76. Ivan is 70. Charlie is 68.

I'm worried a about how old I've gotten too. How did this happen?

 

[Rob0729]

I think they’re treading lightly because of how much they got killed for the Rooney Rule stuff. National media has McDaniels as a clear favorite, and if the list of invites ends up being McDaniels plus two random minority dudes, they’re gonna get killed again.

I’d still have McDaniels as the clear favorite, especially with Rees spoken for.

See I don't think he is a clear candidate at all. Based on Vrabel's past head coaching, he isn't. I heard Bedard say that most of the national talk about McDaniels is pure speculation. Based on the Patriots past history, he would obviously be the top candidate since he has a history with the Krafts and Vegas is paying his salary. I don't think either of those impress Vrabel though.

I still think Vrabel will go with someone from the WCO system philosophy. Probably a Shanahan or McVay disciple. I just don't think Vrabel wants to run the McDaniels system and he isn't part of the Belichick coaching tree.

But Vrabel saying anything positive about McDaniels isn't going to hurt the Rooney Rule.

Vrabel, to my knowledge, has never hired a former Patriots coach even though he has had plenty of opportunities. The system he ran on offense was never the McDaniels/Perkins-Ehrhart system.

 

[mike_usagisan]

This might shock you but at 75 you tend to slow down a bit. Thats why most people are retired by then.

Much less retired thrice!!!

 

[Toofy]

Listening to Vrabel's answers on McDaniels in recent days, I gotta think he is at best not Vrabel's first choice and at worst not even a realistic consideration. Every time someone brings up McDaniels, Vrabel says something like he is going to consider a lot of coordinator candidates. He doesn't really say anything about McDaniels other than he is on a long list of OC candidates. If he was the forgone favorite, Vrabel would most likely be talking up McDaniels and how great of an OC he is and how good he is at developing QBs.

Maybe Vrabel is playing it close to his vest. But he doesn't seem all that keen on hiring McDaniels. Add the fact that Vrabel has been a WCO guy in the past, it seems like Vrabel will go in a different direction.

Considering vrabel smarts looks like Josh is in. He is just making it outwardly look like there are lots candidates

 

[Rob0729]

I wonder if Josh McD would come on too knowing his history with the Team?? Could we carry Two Offensive Coordinators??

Word is McDaniels has been spending time with college teams trying to modernize his offense. There is always a chance, he would come on as the Assistant Head Coach/QB coach to learn about the Shanahan/McVay/O'Connell offense first hand. I still think those the offenses that Vrabel would like to run.

 

[signbabybrady]

Vrabel, to my knowledge, has never hired a former Patriots coach even though he has had plenty of opportunities. The system he ran on offense was never the McDaniels/Perkins-Ehrhart system.

Someone just said his first DC hire was Dean Pees.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If we lost that game do you think Mayo stays?

No. If you saw the look on Mayo’s face during the game you knew he was a dead man walking.

 

[Rob0729]

Considering vrabel smarts looks like Josh is in. He is just making it outwardly look like there are lots candidates

I don't see it. Vrabel doesn't seem to want to run the offense. He could have ran it in Tennessee, but chose not to off the bat. I can see him hiring McDaniels as a consultant or a senior person to work with developing Maye for a year or two, but I don't think he wants McDaniels' offense to come with him.

 

[Rob0729]

Someone just said his first DC hire was Dean Pees.

I did. My bad. I meant on offense. Should have clarified that.

 

[Rob0729]

I think it’s the optics of not doing a thorough OC search and the criticism that comes with it.

There is no optics problem to say Josh is a very good coach and he has experience playing for him. A few light platitudes is not an optics problem. Spending five minutes gushing about McDaniels while answering that question would be.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So it's McCown then??

Josh McCown is nowhere near ready to be an offensive coordinator. They need someone with actual experience.

 

[Zuma]

There is no optics problem to say Josh is a very good coach and he has experience playing for him. A few light platitudes is not an optics problem. Spending five minutes gushing about McDaniels while answering that question would be.

Vrabel is a good coach too and the optics were the hiring was rushed and some complained. Josh is a good coach. Kraft is all about optics.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm worried a about how old I've gotten too. How did this happen?

Tell me about it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I wonder if Josh McD would come on too knowing his history with the Team?? Could we carry Two Offensive Coordinators??

Seriously? What are you thinking PF2? They could run West Coast one series and EP the next? How about play to play? Or here’s a really novel idea, make the defensive coordinator the offensive coordinator.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Josh McCown is nowhere near ready to be an offensive coordinator. They need someone with actual experience.

Thats my belief as well.

-Good w/ QBs
-Good playcaller/score points
-Experienced
-Creative

 

[Pape]

Tommy Rees has been promoted to Cleveland's OC.

So he is out.

So Kevin Stefanski has found another scapegoat OC to blame & fire when things go off the rails again in Cleveland, huh? shame... he going to ruin another promising OC... Cleveland needs to cut bait with that guy...