PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots request to interview Ben Johnson

[festy1986]

I must be the only fan who hates watching bad defense more than I hate watching good offense. I take very little pleasure in watching my team throw the ball all over the field when they are down 17 points and can't stop the run.

What difference does it really make? We had a top 10 defense last year and the season was just as bad.

Gonna need more than a good defense. Whatever Bill was trying to do on offense post Brady was embarrassing and Mayo and Wolf doubled down on it.

It's not good enough.

 

[upstater1]

What difference does it really make? We had a top 10 defense last year and the season was just as bad.

Gonna need more than a good defense. Whatever Bill was trying to do on offense post Brady was embarrassing and Mayo and Wolf doubled down on it.

It's not good enough.

It makes a huge difference.

 

[festy1986]

It makes a huge difference.

But it didn't last year.

 

[Love The Drake]

Vrabel is the guy.

Clear as day.

It’s 50/50 with him and Johnson, any other interviews scheduled or are the Patriots Zeroed in on these 2 only?

 

[Ross12]

People still don't understand the huge dropoff in coaching we just witnessed. We added a stud QB and a stud CB and somehow looked much worse than the previous year.

Step 1 - Fire the old coach because he stunk and only won 4 games
Step 2 - Hire a young coach groomed for the role for years
Step 3 - Build a defensive staff that is focused on carrying over the same defensive system as prior year when defense was top 10 unit
Step 4 - Re-sign all the starters from that defensive unit
Step 5 - Get back your All Pro caliber CB that you didn’t have last year
Step 6 - Get an OC known for grooming QBs
Step 7 - Draft an outstanding QB with all the tools who is constantly making plays, possibly best in his draft class
End result - Finish with same number of wins as last year??? Players tell fans to shut their mouth??? Wait that’s not right

 

[festy1986]

It’s 50/50 with him and Johnson, any other interviews scheduled or are the Patriots Zeroed in on these 2 only?

They have to meet with 2 minorities but I simply do not believe that Vrabel isn't the guy giving all the wink wink going around.

He's probably 5 times the coach Mayo is so that good news but the question is, is he any good without a top 5 running back of all time?

I'd be really concerned with that and people seem to be outright dismissing it.

 

[upstater1]

But it didn't last year.

Sure it did. They stopped teams from scoring and stayed in games.

They had 12 one score games and 2 that became 2 scores late in the 4th. 1 blowout.

This year they were blown out 7 times.

 

[festy1986]

Sure it did. They stopped teams from scoring and stayed in games.

They had 12 one score games and 2 that became 2 scores late in the 4th. 1 blowout.

This year they were blown out 7 times.

It's not rocket science. 4 wins last year and 4 wins this year.

Being better on defense literally didn't bring better results.

 

[upstater1]

It's not rocket science. 4 wins last year and 4 wins this year.

Being better on defense literally didn't bring better results.

I don't know why you're picking at this.

I wrote I would much rather watch bad offense than bad defense.

Why in the world would you say it makes no difference?

Do you actually watch the games or do you only check the box scores after they are done?

From your post, it seems it doesn't make a difference to you whether you're watching a blowout or a close game decided in the final seconds.

 

[festy1986]

I don't know why you're picking at this.

I wrote I would much rather watch bad offense than bad defense.

Why in the world would you say it makes no difference?

Do you actually watch the games or do you only check the box scores after they are done?

From your post, it seems it doesn't make a difference to you whether you're watching a blowout or a close game decided in the final seconds.

I'm not nitpicking. I'm asking how it makes a difference?

Losing is losing.

You said you rather watch a team with a good defense than a team with a good offense.

That's a personal matter and not up for debate.

What is debatable is wether or not defense is better than offense. My point was it didn't make a difference last year when you had a good defense. You was still just as bad as this year when your defense did ****.

Which part of that are you saying isn't true?

 

[tuckeverlasting]

i feel good about both candidates so far but i want to see who else they come up with. i def want change in the drafting so getting a gm that knows personnel and has a good track record would be nice. as far johnson goes, i'm not sure he wants to stay in division, work with the mccaskeys and play his old team twice a year or come to boston with the lame ass media and sports radio talk shows with dumbass callers without a clue so i guess we'll see.

 

[Ring 6]

Step 1 - Fire the old coach because he stunk and only won 4 games
Step 2 - Hire a young coach groomed for the role for years
Step 3 - Build a defensive staff that is focused on carrying over the same defensive system as prior year when defense was top 10 unit
Step 4 - Re-sign all the starters from that defensive unit
Step 5 - Get back your All Pro caliber CB that you didn’t have last year
Step 6 - Get an OC known for grooming QBs
Step 7 - Draft an outstanding QB with all the tools who is constantly making plays, possibly best in his draft class
End result - Finish with same number of wins as last year??? Players tell fans to shut their mouth??? Wait that’s not right

How is Van Punt “know for grooming QBs”?
What QB did he ever groom?

 

[n1997y]

It’s 50/50 with him and Johnson, any other interviews scheduled or are the Patriots Zeroed in on these 2 only?

They need to meet with two minorities, to satisfy the Rooney Rule.

I’ve seen a suggestion that they interview Ron Rivera for one of those. Also saw a suggestion in another thread that they could interview Covington. Both of those interviews could be scheduled immediately.

I’d like to see them interview Brian Flores, but they have to wait until his season is finished. I don’t know if it might be possible to get a waiver if his present team agrees, but I don’t see any reason that Minnesota would do that. Of course it’s very likely their season will end in Philadelphia next weekend. There’s also political complications because of Flores’ history. OTOH he is known in Foxborough and I think his personal relationship with the Krafts would be the determining factor, but I have no idea what that might be. I’d also be happy to see him back here as DC, he’s done well with the Vikings defense, but it would be a lateral move so he might not be interested, and his present team might demand compensation. If he were to come here as DC in light of all that I would see it as a major positive commitment by RKK. And it would only happen if the new HC was on board with it, so to me that would be a very significant positive sign.

 

[mgcolby]

If Vrabel gives us a 6 win and 5 win season over the next two years which really is where it's heading without major roster improvement, we're gonna be doing this all over again.

But hey. It's not like I was right last year or anything.

A lot of us were right last year. I'm not against hiring Ben Johnson per se, however you act like he is a known commodity as a head coach. And what makes you conclude hiring Vrabel precludes the possibility of a major roster overhaul?

One has done it the other hasn't. Both will bring in their own front office guy. I am not sure, honestly, how Ben Johnson gets that pull, but it's the running narrative at this point.

 

[Patriot Missile]

A lot of us were right last year. I'm not against hiring Ben Johnson per se, however you act like he is a known commodity as a head coach. And what makes you conclude hiring Vrabel precludes the possibility of a major roster overhaul?

One has done it the other hasn't. Both will bring in their own front office guy. I am not sure, honestly, how Ben Johnson gets that pull, but it's the running narrative at this point.

Vrabel seems to be the consensus safe choice.

Johnson seems to be the innovative hot pick. One of his coaches Adam Gase was “this guy” 5-8 years ago. It didn’t work out for the Dolphins or Jets. No dividends..

Detroit has Goff who was groomed by McVay, ST Brown elite wr, Jameson Williams 1st round wr, Sam La Porta top 5 te, Jahmyr Gibbs Who is a an incredible weapon on par with Kamara, Sproles etc. plus a bruising back in Montgomery. Top 5 pro bowl left tackle in Sewell, and a probowl center Ragnow.

That’s a lot of sucking and futility to get all those players. The GM did an incredible job. How much of this offense is having elite talent vs coaching and schemes? A bit of both?

Not against the Ben Johnson hiring by any means. McVay worked out for the Rams who was in a similar position years ago. But he’s not 100% a safe bet. Like any rookie coach he’s got to prove it he can do it on the biggest stage.

 

[Toofy]

Both are good options that promise to be better than Mayo. My hang up is that I have no idea what criteria the Kraft's are using to make this choice. Last time it was based on how he chose his wives. Funny that RKK chose the crazy hot one for last, LOL. The reality is that they don't have the ability to choose based on football knowledge. So how are they going to make the choice?

When we as casual

It's not rocket science. 4 wins last year and 4 wins this year.

Being better on defense literally didn't bring better results.

The 1 win was a throwaway by bills. Does t count

 

[Family]

Both are good options that promise to be better than Mayo. My hang up is that I have no idea what criteria the Kraft's are using to make this choice. Last time it was based on how he chose his wives. Funny that RKK chose the crazy hot one for last, LOL. The reality is that they don't have the ability to choose based on football knowledge. So how are they going to make the choice?

I want Kraft to take the hot wife to be our coach!

I love the enthusiasm, please pump the brakes a little. We have a potential top 5 QB, I don't want to have so much fun that I wake up three seasons from now wearing someone else's cloths and the team is no where near the playoffs. LOL.

I think Vrabel is called the "safer choice" by people cause we know he's not going to be completely overwhelmed by being a head coach since he's already done it, it doesn't mean he's going to be any more successful though.

I realize this is a unique take, but I don't care. I mean of course I care, but there are more important things for me. As a local fan we have experienced incredible championship success. At this stage with everything equal, I would prefer the chance with an exciting innovative team. I get that experience is huge, but I would give that up for what looks like an equivalent choice.

For me this situation is similar to the arguments concerning trading down for Maye. Yeah drafting Maye might have been riskier than trading down, but I felt if he didn't work out, we could reboot in two years, and try again. I wanted the hot QB, not a team like Vrabel's Titans.

With Maye and Ben we have the chance to be that place as well as a Super Bowl contender. I feel playing Vrabel ball we have an equal chance for success, but everyone will hate boring us again. This will be more fun, so I'm in.

Besides if you have a top 5 QB you eventually are a contender. I can't name one who doesn't become one. Ben Johnson might not be a great organizer and in game coach, but I'm confident he won't screw Maye up, and we can run this again. Like the Chargers now.

I'm ok with this risk/reward.

 

[upstater1]

I'm not nitpicking. I'm asking how it makes a difference?

Losing is losing.

You said you rather watch a team with a good defense than a team with a good offense.

That's a personal matter and not up for debate.

What is debatable is wether or not defense is better than offense. My point was it didn't make a difference last year when you had a good defense. You was still just as bad as this year when your defense did ****.

Which part of that are you saying isn't true?

In a losing season, it doesn't matter to you whether the team is in close games or in blowouts.

To me, the close games are infinitely more watchable.

 

[1960Pats]

A rookie HC

It's too bad the Giants won't let go of veteran HC Brian Daboll.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

A rookie HC

Not that you claimed there wasn't, but there's a huge gulf between a very successful coordinator and Jerod Mayo. A successful coordinator has already demonstrated many of the proficiencies required to be a successful HC. Obviously the scope is larger as HC. This is like a COO taking over for a CEO. Jerod was like an accountant in Finance taking over for the CEO (and that's being generous to Jerod, I was going to say janitor, since he actually demonstrated NONE of the core competencies required).

Still, many do fail the coordinator to HC transition. Vrabel also has significant negatives.