Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[RobertWeathers]

Mayo returning in 2025 would be the biggest upset in Pats history since SB42.

Not sure it's an upset. Seems better than 50/50 he returns.

Might be as ill-advised as going for it on 4th and 13, though...

 

[Love The Drake]

Not sure it's an upset. Seems better than 50/50 he returns.

Might be as ill-advised as going for it on 4th and 13, though...

It would be a colossal mistake.
You have the opportunity to use the draft and a ton of cap to reshape the franchise and maybe get a crown jewel offensive coach in Johnson.
Or a leader of men in Vrabel.
You have shoot your shot for the best of the franchise.
You made a investment into Jeord and you were wrong now it’s time to dump that stock.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It would be a colossal mistake.
You have the opportunity to use the draft and a ton of cap to reshape the franchise and maybe get a crown jewel offensive coach in Johnson.
Or a leader of men in Vrabel.
You have shoot your shot for the best of the franchise.
You made a investment into Jeord and you were wrong now it’s time to dump that stock.

Couldn't agree more.

If the team showed improvement, structure, discipline, and a consistent effort i'd be OK in bringing him back.

We have seen none of it.

 

[Love The Drake]

Couldn't agree more.

If the team showed improvement, structure, discipline, and a consistent effort i'd be OK in bringing him back.

We have seen none of it.

Hopefully Robert has the same common sense.

 

[Toofy]

Couldn't agree more.

If the team showed improvement, structure, discipline, and a consistent effort i'd be OK in bringing him back.

We have seen none of it.

Jerod is a penny stock. You would be stupid to invest your entire portfolio with it. Considering Kraft is a billionaire I am sure he has much better mental capacity and financial advisors.

Mayo's 10 million is peanuts compared to loss of sales and depreciation of brand equity of pats that comes with 2nd season of Mayo .

Considering Krafts haven't issued any statement of support to Mayo and having maye on injury report means that Krafts will more likely dump the entire front office and coaching staff and go for the jugular like commanders. Wolf will unfortunately be a casualty in this process .

 

[Love The Drake]

Jerod is a penny stock. You would be stupid to invest your entire portfolio with it. Considering Kraft is a billionaire I am sure he has much better mental capacity and financial advisors.

Mayo's 10 million is peanuts compared to loss of sales and depreciation of brand equity of pats that comes with 2nd season of Mayo .

Considering Krafts haven't issued any statement of support to Mayo and having maye on injury report means that Krafts will more likely dump the entire front office and coaching staff and go for the jugular like commanders. Wolf will unfortunately be a casualty in this process .

But Maye said he felt great?

 

[Toofy]

But Maye said he felt great?

You realize that we are huge into " talk- backing" . I expect that from Mayo on behalf of Maye on Friday.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Jerod is a penny stock. You would be stupid to invest your entire portfolio with it. Considering Kraft is a billionaire I am sure he has much better mental capacity and financial advisors.

Mayo's 10 million is peanuts compared to loss of sales and depreciation of brand equity of pats that comes with 2nd season of Mayo .

There is no way Mayo is being paid $10m annually. That might be his buyout...

Considering Krafts haven't issued any statement of support to Mayo and having maye on injury report means that Krafts will more likely dump the entire front office and coaching staff and go for the jugular like commanders. Wolf will unfortunately be a casualty in this process .

The question is Wolf drafting for Mayo's scheme/philosophy or is he drafting based on his and Mayo needs to make it work.

Wolf did a dog-**** job last offseason. FA, drafting, etc. Not sure who is to ultimately blame there.

 

[lancerman]

It would be a colossal mistake.
You have the opportunity to use the draft and a ton of cap to reshape the franchise and maybe get a crown jewel offensive coach in Johnson.
Or a leader of men in Vrabel.
You have shoot your shot for the best of the franchise.
You made a investment into Jeord and you were wrong now it’s time to dump that stock.

People are overrating how attractive of a spot we would be.

The new HC would have these two huge concerns

1. They fired the GOAT HC one year and then fired his replacement after a single season with 1 (or possibly equal) less wins. This is especially concerning because of how untalented the team is anyways so this isn't a quick turn around.
2. They are stuck with Wolf as GM who has shown zero ability to build a team and will either be dealing with him or some total unknown soon.

Those are huge downsides.

 

[RobertWeathers]

People are overrating how attractive of a spot we would be.

The new HC would have these two huge concerns

1. They fired the GOAT HC one year and then fired his replacement after a single season with 1 (or possibly equal) less wins. This is especially concerning because of how untalented the team is anyways so this isn't a quick turn around.
2. They are stuck with Wolf as GM who has shown zero ability to build a team and will either be dealing with him or some total unknown soon.

Those are huge downsides.

On the flip side....

Tons of cap space
Top 5 pick in the draft
Solid prospect at QB with a ton of upside
Stable ownership
Major market

The league knows Bill needed to move on. I don't think there would be any concerns about that one. The Mayo/Wolf considerations will need some explaining as to why there is a lack of patience.

 

[n1997y]

Jerod is a penny stock. You would be stupid to invest your entire portfolio with it. Considering Kraft is a billionaire I am sure he has much better mental capacity and financial advisors.

Mayo's 10 million is peanuts compared to loss of sales and depreciation of brand equity of pats that comes with 2nd season of Mayo .

Considering Krafts haven't issued any statement of support to Mayo and having maye on injury report means that Krafts will more likely dump the entire front office and coaching staff and go for the jugular like commanders. Wolf will unfortunately be a casualty in this process .

Agreed despite not agreeing with your statement about Wolf. He did not do enough to improve the team last year to earn another shot, IMO.

 

[n1997y]

The question is Wolf drafting for Mayo's scheme/philosophy or is he drafting based on his and Mayo needs to make it work.

Wolf did a dog-**** job last offseason. FA, drafting, etc. Not sure who is to ultimately blame there.

Does Mayo even have a scheme/philosophy?

Agree with your assessment of Wolf’s performance last season. He’s ultimately to blame for his performance. That’s accountability.

 

[Toofy]

Agreed despite not agreeing with your statement about Wolf. He did not do enough to improve the team last year to earn another shot, IMO.

Fair point. I just feel it might be more coaching than the players. Everyone regressed under this staff. So I would want to cut some slack for wolf

 

[Thunderhead]

Red Sox were my first favorite team as a kid, but the apathy I feel towards that franchise since Betts was traded is immense. Can't remember the last time I sat down and watched a game. Patriots are heading down that exact same road for me. My interest in 2025 will be relatively nonexistent if Wolf and Mayo are retained.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Does Mayo even have a scheme/philosophy?

I'm assuming he does? lol

Agree with your assessment of Wolf’s performance last season. He’s ultimately to blame for his performance. That’s accountability.

Thats part of the issue. Kraft picked the HC. Kraft picked the GM. At the end of the day we have no idea if Mayo and Wolf are aligned on how to build a football team. It's like an arranged marriage.

 

[n1997y]

People are overrating how attractive of a spot we would be.

The new HC would have these two huge concerns

1. They fired the GOAT HC one year and then fired his replacement after a single season with 1 (or possibly equal) less wins. This is especially concerning because of how untalented the team is anyways so this isn't a quick turn around.
2. They are stuck with Wolf as GM who has shown zero ability to build a team and will either be dealing with him or some total unknown soon.

Those are huge downsides.

Not firing the dumpster fire replacement is a bigger concern than firing him.

Wolf should be fired as well.

I think there is a good chance we see a real GM hired, who in turn fires Mayo. That saves face for Kraft. But it takes too much time so puts the team terribly far behind in the coaching carousel hiring cycle, and even farther behind in draft prep and team building. Hopefully Jonathan prevails and they pull the trigger immediately after the game ends on Sunday.

 

[n1997y]

On the flip side....

Tons of cap space
Top 5 pick in the draft
Solid prospect at QB with a ton of upside
Stable ownership
Major market

The league knows Bill needed to move on. I don't think there would be any concerns about that one. The Mayo/Wolf considerations will need some explaining as to why there is a lack of patience.

Easy explanation. Point to their performance.

 

[n1997y]

Fair point. I just feel it might be more coaching than the players. Everyone regressed under this staff. So I would want to cut some slack for wolf

I’m inclined to blame scouting, which I’d hold him responsible for. They brought in a bunch of players trying to fix OL for example, with a zero percent success rate. That’s not just coaching I’m afraid. Coaching was terrible, but the coaches didn’t have much to work with either. That’s why it’s necessary to blow everything up, including Wolf’s position.

 

[turkeyneck]

There is no way Mayo is being paid $10m annually. That might be his buyout...

The question is Wolf drafting for Mayo's scheme/philosophy or is he drafting based on his and Mayo needs to make it work.

Wolf did a dog-**** job last offseason. FA, drafting, etc. Not sure who is to ultimately blame there.

His what !?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Red Sox were my first favorite team as a kid, but the apathy I feel towards that franchise since Betts was traded is immense. Can't remember the last time I sat down and watched a game. Patriots are heading down that exact same road for me. My interest in 2025 will be relatively nonexistent if Wolf and Mayo are retained.

I go back to 1980 which was my first cognizant year of Patriots fandom.

First of all, I will ALWAYS watch the games (as long as there isn't something pulling me away/higher priority/family, etc) and follow the team. That will never change. However, my emotional investment will change.

From 1980 all the way to 2023 it was the same. Certainly years like 1982, 1990, 1992, etc are killers. I was young and still watched. Rudderless operations like 1988, 1999 and 2023 weigh on the soul but you hang in there because of hope.

For me there has to be hope to warrant my emotional investment. If there isn't hope for the future and the product on the field sucks then my emotional investment is low.

This past year was in purgatory....top draft pick...$120m in cap space...stable ownership...seemingly solid QB prospect with high upside..Krafts are still solid owners (as opposed to Victor Kiam). It's all set up for success....but horrible leadership, personnel decisions, and a crap product on the field chewed into that hope in a major way.

I guess i'm emotionally invested still because there is hope. Still posting here, watching the games, reading articles, etc...

However, if they bring back Mayo it'll go down. No question.