The Case Against Eliot Wolf

[State]

Riley Reiff was brought in 2023, that was Bill Belichick.

Earned $5 million for just showing up a couple of days.

I’m going to try that at work.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Earned $5 million for just showing up a couple of days.

I’m going to try that at work.

Brought in by Bill Belichick

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Earned $5 million for just showing up a couple of days.

I’m going to try that at work.

Chunks, he, a RT mess at PITT, paid 4M to play LEFT TACKLE here, walked away after 1 game...ONE.
At least Reiff TRIED to play.
Let's not talk about Osborne and his 4M...

 

[Huckleberry1]

Chunks, he, a RT mess at PITT, paid 4M to play LEFT TACKLE here, walked away after 1 game...ONE.
At least Reiff TRIED to play.
Let's not talk about Osborne and his 4M...

Osborne wasn’t a starter when he came here, and he wasn’t paid like one. He didn’t work out, neither did the tackle, that happens when you are signing back ups, that’s why they make so little $$$.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

They both made mistakes (as they ALL DO), let's not kid ourselves and start this mess.
Chunks lasted 1 week (horrible), and Osborne was a useless waste of $ AND was blocking younger guys.
So glad we got 7 games and 7/57/1...for 4 million before he was cut loose.

Looks like 9 million for a total of 8 games, 1 td, and how many penalties?
McConkey was a fkn No-brainer, yet he thought he was smarter than everyone on the PLANET, and took Polk and Baker...with 97yds/2 TOTAL between them...Ladd beat that **** last Saturday.
Wallace was always a RT, "He can swing to LT" ...yeah, sure.
Meanwhile this clown had >100 Million in cap space, and TOP PICK in every single round, and we don't have good skill players..
Those Coordinators he hired are doing such a great job with all the studs, that we're crushing it on a weekly basis.
I can go on, but I don't want to.

Look Ivan, I like You, and a LOT of what you bring, and believe me when I tell you, that I do NOT want to start all over in that capacity, but I just don't see him as fit for the job.

I got nothing but Love For You Man, I just think Wolfie is horrible.

Happy New Year.

G

 

[captain stone]

https://atozsports.com/nfl/20-potential-nfl-general-managers-for-2025/

One name sticks out. The guy from Detroit. Ever heard of Ray Agnew?

You mean Old Friend Ray Agnew...

 

[upstater1]

Andrews, Mafi, Lowe, and Wheatley were all brought in by Bill Belichick, not Eliot Wolf, so go tell all the UNC fans what a horrible judge of talent he is.

In your deranged hatred of Bill Belichick, you totally missed what is being discussed.

I didn't say chosen by Wolf.

We were talking about evaluations.

And by the way, Caeden Wallace, Michael Jordan and Chuki Okorafor reinforce what a horrendous evaluator Wolf is.

 

[Huckleberry1]

In your deranged hatred of Bill Belichick, you totally missed what is being discussed.

I didn't say chosen by Wolf.

We were talking about evaluations.

And by the way, Caeden Wallace, Michael Jordan and Chuki Okorafor reinforce what a horrendous evaluator Wolf is.

I’m a fan of Bill Belichick, you just can’t handle anyone holding him responsible for HIS mistakes.

 

[upstater1]

I’m a fan of Bill Belichick, you just can’t handle anyone holding him responsible for HIS mistakes.

I seriously doubt you are a fan.

This wasn't a discussion of who chose which player.

Yet you jumped in with a knee-jerk reaction that backfired so hard you ended up jerking your knee into your face.

This was a discussion of evaluation.

 

[Huckleberry1]

They both made mistakes (as they ALL DO), let's not kid ourselves and start this mess.
Chunks lasted 1 week (horrible), and Osborne was a useless waste of $ AND was blocking younger guys.
So glad we got 7 games and 7/57/1...for 4 million before he was cut loose.

Looks like 9 million for a total of 8 games, 1 td, and how many penalties?
McConkey was a fkn No-brainer, yet he thought he was smarter than everyone on the PLANET, and took Polk and Baker...with 97yds/2 TOTAL between them...Ladd beat that **** last Saturday.
Wallace was always a RT, "He can swing to LT" ...yeah, sure.
Meanwhile this clown had >100 Million in cap space, and TOP PICK in every single round, and we don't have good skill players..
Those Coordinators he hired are doing such a great job with all the studs, that we're crushing it on a weekly basis.
I can go on, but I don't want to.

Look Ivan, I like You, and a LOT of what you bring, and believe me when I tell you, that I do NOT want to start all over in that capacity, but I just don't see him as fit for the job.

I got nothing but Love For You Man, I just think Wolfie is horrible.

Happy New Year.

G

Look What, I appreciate the kind words, we just disagree. I have no problem with disagreeing on an issue, what I do have a problem with is the people who are deliberately lying about Wolf’s “ responsibility” for Belichick’s bad decisions, and their labeling anyone who believes that Belichick wasn’t perfect a hater.

As far as Wolf’s decisions go I agree that his misses, like Osbourne and Okafor are completely on him, the same goes for any other free agent he signed, however I agreed with his approach overall in free agency, sign for depth and re-sign their young free agents they want to build around
, Barmore, Duggars, Onwenu. And I think those bleating about him not signing great skill players, or big name free agents are completely deluded. Had Wolf signed Robert Hunt for $100 million I would have been the one pissed at him. The only top free agents in that class were Wilkins and Barkley, the rest were overrated and overpaid. Wolf was just looking to fill depth roles, not to sign starters, because the starters were getting overpaid and weren’t very good. His biggest **** up was never realized, fortunately for him, and despite the chorus from this forum TO sign Calvin Ridley. Wolf tried to sign Ridley, and myself and some others were arguing against it, and fortunately Ridley signed with Tennessee, who blew a bunch of money on a very mediocre WR.

As far as his draft goes my feeling on this is also pretty clear. You can’t judge a class on their rookie returns. Prospect are mostly drafted to be developed, and while I agree that there are concerns with the rookies, whether they end up being good players or not is yet to be determined. I do agree however that Wolf made a mistake taking Polk, but not with those saying it should have been McConkey, who is still a slot receiver, and the Patriots already have 2 of those. And it wasn’t in not drafting Sulamanaia or Paul, who were 3rd and 2nd string respectively. His real mistake was not taking Jackson Powers -Johnson, who immediately become the Raiders starting center. Overall though I think we will have a much better idea of whether he had a good or bad draft a year from now.

The bottom line for me is that Wolf got them their franchise QB and saved their cap space to use in a much better free agent market, and one where they won’t need to sign their own guys. So I will hold judgement on his approach until after this next offseason. Every GM tasked with turning around a dogshit team needs at least 3 years to do it, and Wolf already got the most important piece of that puzzle. He inherited a terrible team, with no QB, and a coach and staff not of his choosing, although he probably had input on Van Pelt, so I think the rush to judgement on him as simply knee jerk pessimism from an already miserable fan base that can’t handle losing or a steady rebuild. They want success now or all heads must roll.

That’s where I stand. Happy New Year.

 

[Ring 6]

Look What, I appreciate the kind words, we just disagree. I have no problem with disagreeing on an issue, what I do have a problem with is the people who are deliberately lying about Wolf’s “ responsibility” for Belichick’s bad decisions, and their labeling anyone who believes that Belichick wasn’t perfect a hater.

As far as Wolf’s decisions go I agree that his misses, like Osbourne and Okafor are completely on him, the same goes for any other free agent he signed, however I agreed with his approach overall in free agency, sign for depth and re-sign their young free agents they want to build around
, Barmore, Duggars, Onwenu. And I think those bleating about him not signing great skill players, or big name free agents are completely deluded. Had Wolf signed Robert Hunt for $100 million I would have been the one pissed at him. The only top free agents in that class were Wilkins and Barkley, the rest were overrated and overpaid. Wolf was just looking to fill depth roles, not to sign starters, because the starters were getting overpaid and weren’t very good. His biggest **** up was never realized, fortunately for him, and despite the chorus from this forum TO sign Calvin Ridley. Wolf tried to sign Ridley, and myself and some others were arguing against it, and fortunately Ridley signed with Tennessee, who blew a bunch of money on a very mediocre WR.

As far as his draft goes my feeling on this is also pretty clear. You can’t judge a class on their rookie returns. Prospect are mostly drafted to be developed, and while I agree that there are concerns with the rookies, whether they end up being good players or not is yet to be determined. I do agree however that Wokf made a mistake taking Polk, but not with those saying it should have been McConkey, who is still a slot receiver, and the Patriots already have 2 of those. And it wasn’t in not drafting Sulamanaia or Paul, who were 3rd and 3nd string respectively. Hiscreal mistake was not taking Jackson Powers -Johnson, who immediately become the Raiders starting center. Overall though I think we will have a much better idea of whether he had a good or bad draft a year from now.

The bottom line for me is that Wolf got them their franchise QB and saved their cap space to use in a much better free agent market, and one where they won’t need to sign their own guys. So I will hold judgement on his approach until after this next offseason. Every HM tasked with turning around a dogshit team needs at least 3 years to do it, and Wolf already got the most important piece of that puzzle. He inherited a terrible team, with no QB, and a coach and staff not of his choosing, although he probably had input on Van Pelt, so I think the rush to judgement on him as simply knee jerk pessimism from an already miserable fan base that can’t handle losing or a steady rebuild. They want success now or all heads must roll.

That’s where I stand. Happy New Year.

The team needed and needs starters. It had $100,000,000. If you are telling me he purposely signed backup level players instead of starter s and built a roster that waiver wire players start on, then I tell you he has no clue what he is doing.

He resigned every one of our own free agents that he wanted. He appears to have signed every free agent he pursued except Ridley.
He had 65,000,000 left and a draft to improve the team. A team that was 4-13 and had the worst qb play in the league. A very low bar to improve upon.

He got the qb and despite dramatic improvement in QB play the rest of his decisions made the team worse. Worst than 4-13 without a qb.
It is literally almost impossible to take a 4-13 team with the worst qb play, fix the qb play and get worse. He found a way.
I think it was the worst GM job I have seen in my lifetime.


And there is no chance in the world that they use the left over cap space next year.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I seriously doubt you are a fan.

This wasn't a discussion of who chose which player.

Yet you jumped in with a knee-jerk reaction that backfired so hard you ended up jerking your knee into your face.

This was a discussion of evaluation.

Nothing knee jerk about it, you continually pretend that Wolf was responsible for Belichick’s bad decisions, and you have been doing it for months and months.

As for Belichick I both oraised him and defended him in this forum from the beginning of his tenure until the end ot it, and I consider him the GOAT coach and a great GM, and have said both hundreds of times. What you have a problem with is me saying that he actually made mistakes, and that as the man in control of football operations for the Patriots that he gets both the credit and blame for his decisions. That’s the way life works, or at least the way it should work. Those with the authority are responsible for the way they use it. Where that unfortunately breaks down is when those with the authority make the decisions, and when they don’t work out blame those under them for their mistakes.

 

[gobesmug]

The team needed and needs starters. It had $100,000,000. If you are telling me he purposely signed backup level players instead of starter s and built a roster that waiver wire players start on, then I tell you he has no clue what he is doing.

He resigned every one of our own free agents that he wanted. He appears to have signed every free agent he pursued except Ridley.
He had 65,000,000 left and a draft to improve the team. A team that was 4-13 and had the worst qb play in the league. A very low bar to improve upon.

He got the qb and despite dramatic improvement in QB play the rest of his decisions made the team worse. Worst than 4-13 without a qb.
It is literally almost impossible to take a 4-13 team with the worst qb play, fix the qb play and get worse. He found a way.
I think it was the worst GM job I have seen in my lifetime.


And there is no chance in the world that they use the left over cap space next year.

In all fairness, terrible coaching will hold a team back. Wolf didn’t pick his coaching staff as far as we know.

The Pats are in a great position capwise, with a good looking FA class to improve the roster. If the can replace Mayo then there is still hope.

Wolf hasn't done enough to prove he is a good GM but he also hasn't harmed the team for years due to poor cap management.

 

[upstater1]

Nothing knee jerk about it, you continually pretend that Wolf was responsible for Belichick’s bad decisions, and you have been doing it for months and months.

As for Belichick I both oraised him and defended him in this forum from the beginning of his tenure until the end ot it, and I consider him the GOAT coach and a great GM, and have said both hundreds of times. What you have a problem with is me saying that he actually made mistakes, and that as the man in control of football operations for the Patriots that he gets both the credit and blame for his decisions. That’s the way life works, or at least the way it should work. Those with the authority are responsible for the way they use it. Where that unfortunately breaks down is when those with the authority make the decisions, and when they don’t work out blame those under them for their mistakes.

Again, you're doubling down when you obviously reacted to something that wasn't about who made the final choice.

If Wolf isn't evaluating players, then what in the world is he doing?

Nothing?


If that's your answer, it makes sense, because the draft sure looked like he did no homework at all.

Even I knew better than to draft Polk and Wallace.

 

[lancerman]

In all fairness, terrible coaching will hold a team back. Wolf didn’t pick his coaching staff as far as we know.

The Pats are in a great position capwise, with a good looking FA class to improve the roster. If the can replace Mayo then there is still hope.

Wolf hasn't done enough to prove he is a good GM but he also hasn't harmed the team for years due to poor cap management.

If coaching was the only problem, we win make the playoffs more than once since 2020

 

[Ring 6]

In all fairness, terrible coaching will hold a team back. Wolf didn’t pick his coaching staff as far as we know.

The Pats are in a great position capwise, with a good looking FA class to improve the roster. If the can replace Mayo then there is still hope.

Wolf hasn't done enough to prove he is a good GM but he also hasn't harmed the team for years due to poor cap management.

Nothing bothers me more than making excuses for failure.
Wolf failed. Giving him a pass because the coaches suck requires showing he didn’t suck.
He had 100,000,000 to work with and we got a back up RB, a backup TE and a bunch of sludge.
His draft looks horrible outside of the no brainer.

I would say he has harmed the team for years by not signing the players he should have. There is no way we are spending all of the cap this year and there were probably 8-10 guys he could have fit under the cap that would be starting ahead of the players we have. And they would be coming back next year.

I mean just look at his decisions. They were horrible, he is showing he cannot evaluate players. He told us the OL was talented and would be fine. No one who thought that belongs around personnel decisions

 

[gobesmug]

Nothing bothers me more than making excuses for failure.
Wolf failed. Giving him a pass because the coaches suck requires showing he didn’t suck.
He had 100,000,000 to work with and we got a back up RB, a backup TE and a bunch of sludge.
His draft looks horrible outside of the no brainer.

I would say he has harmed the team for years by not signing the players he should have. There is no way we are spending all of the cap this year and there were probably 8-10 guys he could have fit under the cap that would be starting ahead of the players we have. And they would be coming back next year.

I mean just look at his decisions. They were horrible, he is showing he cannot evaluate players. He told us the OL was talented and would be fine. No one who thought that belongs around personnel decisions

Then you must have hated Belichick the GM. In fact you probably hate every GM to ever exist as they all have misses. Heck you probably hate Brady for not making that 70 yard bomb to Moss perfect in the Superbowl to cement the perfect season. Or maybe you hate Moss for not making the catch.

 

[Ring 6]

Then you must have hated Belichick the GM. In fact you probably hate every GM to ever exist as they all have misses. Heck you probably hate Brady for not making that 70 yard bomb to Moss perfect in the Superbowl to cement the perfect season. Or maybe you hate Moss for not making the catch.

Huh? Because I think a guy who missed on pretty much every decision he made sucks makes you think I hate people who get a much higher percentage right?

Let me restate this.

A decision maker should be judged on his decision. And the scale is his peers success rate.
A decision maker who is wrong all the time should be judged a failure.

 

[Kdo5]

Polk over McConkey is the #1 indictment on Wolfe. I think that alone is a fireable offense.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Polk over McConkey is the #1 indictment on Wolfe. I think that alone is a fireable offense.

Lmao.