Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[Love The Drake]

I'll be completely honest here, even if they just fired Wolf and elevated Highsmith, I feel like they'd immediately be in a better spot, just simply in terms of the upcoming draft. If it's the best choice, it remains to be seen, but at least you could start doing, you know, something.

Edit: And to your point - Having Highsmith fire Mayo, optically, would be a lot better look than Kraft doing it.

Any Highsmith drafts to reference?

 

[TommyD4207]

Any Highsmith drafts to reference?

Nope, he was the head of Football Ops at Miami until this year.

At the very least, in the next couple of years, he'd have information on kids he personally recruited.

 

[festy1986]

I said the same idea in the game day thread. Kraft will know Mayo has to go but won’t want to take the blame. So he will instead point to the front office and tie them to Belichick’s outdated drafting practices and let them go, as another attempt to blame Bill. Then he will bring in a new GM and say that this new GM will decide if Mayo should be kept, knowing full well that the answer is definitely not. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GM that is brought in is on Vrabel’s short list of preferred guys. Then that GM probably hires Vrabel, although maybe they go some other direction - either way, Mayo is out.

Dog piling on Bill is ********.

Also, let's ****ing go. Any way to get Mayo and company out of here is fine by me lol.

 

[ViperGTS]

I said the same idea in the game day thread. Kraft will know Mayo has to go but won’t want to take the blame. So he will instead point to the front office and tie them to Belichick’s outdated drafting practices and let them go, as another attempt to blame Bill. Then he will bring in a new GM and say that this new GM will decide if Mayo should be kept, knowing full well that the answer is definitely not. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GM that is brought in is on Vrabel’s short list of preferred guys. Then that GM probably hires Vrabel, although maybe they go some other direction - either way, Mayo is out.

Wish that was true. I just don't see it, Kraft in his mind throwing 5 plus years of planning out the window. Thats in his mind of course and that plan was very much flawed.

 

[mgteich]

He has to, there's 5 or 6 players willing to play for him, even Maye apparently has had enough.

Good luck finding 50 new players.

OFFENSE IS ON TRACK
With the #1 question answered the Offense is on-track. AVP is doing fine. He is an OK OC who will not be looking for a HC job, a fine OC for the first 4 years of Maye.

With the re-sign of Hooper, the required 2 WR's and two LT's, the Offense will be fine. Yes, that's a lot, but there is plenty of cap money there to help and perhaps a solid draft pick.

BTW, an ignored part of 2024 is that some players were added who should contribute in 2025 and beyond; of course some may be backups. The failure of course was the second round. We added Gibson, Hooper, Maye, Wallace, Robinson, and Bell.

THE DEFENSE
With no replacements and declining performances by all groups (and especially by the coaches), the Defense quickly became one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Four new top players and the Offense will be fine. The Defense needs more. It needs a new team to replace the Belichick's plus some health, AND a top player in each unit.

 

[State]

Kraft will know Mayo has to go but won’t want to take the blame. So he will instead point to the front office and tie them to Belichick’s outdated drafting practices and let them go, as another attempt to blame Bill. Then he will bring in a new GM and say that this new GM will decide if Mayo should be kept, knowing full well that the answer is definitely not. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GM that is brought in is on Vrabel’s short list of preferred guys.

This is astute. The only thing you could have added is the acute embarrassment on Kraft’s part to admit he made an error hiring unproven Mayo essentially a couple of seasons ago.

That would be another incentive to hire a new front office GM guy to be the hatchet man.

 

[Ross12]

This is astute. The only thing you could have added is the acute embarrassment on Kraft’s part to admit he made an error hiring unproven Mayo essentially a couple of seasons ago.

That would be another incentive to hire a new front office GM guy to be the hatchet man.

Right, that’s what I was saying. It moves the blame off of him. He basically will only be firing Wolf who he is not personally attached to. Then when his new GM fires Mayo, he will say “Well I loved Jerod and I still believe in him but I have to stand behind our GM and his decisions which are in the best interests of our organization” - so essentially, “I wasn’t wrong but it wasn’t up to me”

Then when the new coach is much better after a year, he will take credit for things again.

 

[lancerman]

OFFENSE IS ON TRACK
With the #1 question answered the Offense is on-track. AVP is doing fine. He is an OK OC who will not be looking for a HC job, a fine OC for the first 4 years of Maye.

With the re-sign of Hooper, the required 2 WR's and two LT's, the Offense will be fine. Yes, that's a lot, but there is plenty of cap money there to help and perhaps a solid draft pick.

BTW, an ignored part of 2024 is that some players were added who should contribute in 2025 and beyond; of course some may be backups. The failure of course was the second round. We added Gibson, Hooper, Maye, Wallace, Robinson, and Bell.

THE DEFENSE
With no replacements and declining performances by all groups (and especially by the coaches), the Defense quickly became one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Four new top players and the Offense will be fine. The Defense needs more. It needs a new team to replace the Belichick's plus some health, AND a top player in each unit.

The offense is 30th in points and yards. No AVP is not fine.

 

[Zuma]

Right, that’s what I was saying. It moves the blame off of him. He basically will only be firing Wolf who he is not personally attached to. Then when his new GM fires Mayo, he will say “Well I loved Jerod and I still believe in him but I have to stand behind our GM and his decisions which are in the best interests of our organization” - so essentially, “I wasn’t wrong but it wasn’t up to me”

Then when the new coach is much better after a year, he will take credit for things again.

But Wolf does have to be fired because he doesn't have the GM title. Wolf would report to the GM.

 

[PatsFan2]

OFFENSE IS ON TRACK
With the #1 question answered the Offense is on-track. AVP is doing fine. He is an OK OC who will not be looking for a HC job, a fine OC for the first 4 years of Maye.

With the re-sign of Hooper, the required 2 WR's and two LT's, the Offense will be fine. Yes, that's a lot, but there is plenty of cap money there to help and perhaps a solid draft pick.

BTW, an ignored part of 2024 is that some players were added who should contribute in 2025 and beyond; of course some may be backups. The failure of course was the second round. We added Gibson, Hooper, Maye, Wallace, Robinson, and Bell.

THE DEFENSE
With no replacements and declining performances by all groups (and especially by the coaches), the Defense quickly became one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Four new top players and the Offense will be fine. The Defense needs more. It needs a new team to replace the Belichick's plus some health, AND a top player in each unit.

The Krafts says hold our Beers.

 

[Love The Drake]

Right, that’s what I was saying. It moves the blame off of him. He basically will only be firing Wolf who he is not personally attached to. Then when his new GM fires Mayo, he will say “Well I loved Jerod and I still believe in him but I have to stand behind our GM and his decisions which are in the best interests of our organization” - so essentially, “I wasn’t wrong but it wasn’t up to me”

Then when the new coach is much better after a year, he will take credit for things again.

I love this line of thinking and reasoning.
It’s all I can hang the Patriots hope on.

 

[Ross12]

But Wolf does have to be fired because he doesn't have the GM title. Wolf would report to the GM.

I assume you meant “doesn’t” need to be fired. If so then yes that is a good point. They could just bring in a guy over Wolf to make the decisions on all staff in coaching and front office, including Wolf.

Theoretically Wolf could be kept and Mayo could be fired by the new boss - Wolf was promoted into his new role months after Mayo had been made HC anyway, so Mayo is not Wolf’s mess in the first place.

 

[Zuma]

I assume you meant “doesn’t” need to be fired. If so then yes that is a good point. They could just bring in a guy over Wolf to make the decisions on all staff in coaching and front office, including Wolf.

Theoretically Wolf could be kept and Mayo could be fired by the new boss - Wolf was promoted into his new role months after Mayo had been made HC anyway, so Mayo is not Wolf’s mess in the first place.

Yeah that's the point I made the other day. If Wolf picked the groceries...then he probably shouldn't do it again and with a GM...he won't be. The GM can fire Mayo and RK saves face.

 

[PatsFan2]

OFFENSE IS ON TRACK
With the #1 question answered the Offense is on-track. AVP is doing fine. He is an OK OC who will not be looking for a HC job, a fine OC for the first 4 years of Maye.

With the re-sign of Hooper, the required 2 WR's and two LT's, the Offense will be fine. Yes, that's a lot, but there is plenty of cap money there to help and perhaps a solid draft pick.

BTW, an ignored part of 2024 is that some players were added who should contribute in 2025 and beyond; of course some may be backups. The failure of course was the second round. We added Gibson, Hooper, Maye, Wallace, Robinson, and Bell.

THE DEFENSE
With no replacements and declining performances by all groups (and especially by the coaches), the Defense quickly became one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Four new top players and the Offense will be fine. The Defense needs more. It needs a new team to replace the Belichick's plus some health, AND a top player in each unit.

Offense look Derailed Today.

 

[Ross12]

Yeah that's the point I made the other day. If Wolf picked the groceries...then he probably shouldn't do it again and with a GM...he won't be. The GM can fire Mayo and RK saves face.

Yep makes sense. I can see it. Wolf could be in an assistant type role in the same way he was to Bill. The GM would likely fire a good portion of the rest of the front office, although I think many of them have expiring deals anyway.

Then Kraft doesn’t have to say he was “wrong” about Mayo OR Wolf… in a sense. He just says he delayed his true GM search one year, and now that they have one, the GM is guiding the franchise and he feels Mayo isn’t the best fit.

 

[Zuma]

GM - Pioli
HC - Vrabel
OC - McDaniels
DC - ?

 

[Love The Drake]

GM - Pioli
HC - Vrabel
OC - McDaniels
DC - ?

Rex Ryan or Steve Wilks.

 

[Love The Drake]

GM - Pioli
HC - Vrabel
OC - McDaniels
DC - ?

If Pioli wants it again I’d absolutely give him GM.

 

[Zuma]

Rex Ryan or Steve Wilks.

I don't like Rex but he would have the defense playing much better.

 

[PatsFan2]

The offense is 30th in points and yards. No AVP is not fine.

And the leaders is latteral passes.