AVP comments about JK being upset @ playcalling.

[Ring 6]

No. Having Agholor, Smith and JUJU cause salary cap issues and led to a lack of talent on the roster.

That's what bad cap management does.

This team was not ready to be a contender. They tried trading for Aiyuk but he vetoed it.

Next year with the cap space and draft position this team should be a playoff team. This was always a rebuild year and preserving cap space for high talent instead of overpaying vets was the right decision

Salary cap issues? We didn’t spend to the cap. How was that an issue?

Aiyuk was a marketing ploy. They knew he wasn’t going anywhere but Pittsburgh so they told you they would pay him.

They won’t spend 132 million of cap. Not a chance.

I understand what you are trying to say, but it doesn’t apply. They didn’t purposely hold back money to load up next year. They held it back because they had a budget. They will next year too and it will be nowhere near spending what it takes to attract up wards of 100 million in cap space on premium free agents.

 

[Ring 6]

Pats broke the record for most spent cash in 21. Kraft is willing to spend.

FYI this is untrue. They did not even spend the most that year. They were 4th, and for the period of 2016-2023 spent the least of any nfl team

 

[n1997y]

is the play calling bad because AVP is bad at it, or is the play calling bad because the offensive talent is bad, and AVP is trying to squeeze as much out as he can with compromised talent?

Both?

 

[n1997y]

Belichick made a very bold decision in keeping Brady over Bledsoe. If that had been the wrong decision then he should have been canned.

He only won 5 games the year prior, when Pete Carroll had them in the playoffs.

Of course keeping Brady was the right call, which Kraft allowed during the season. If Kraft was meddling he would have forced Bledsoe back into the starting position. Instead he allowed his coach the room to make that decision and it turned into a great decision.

No way Jerry Jones or Woody Johnson allow that scenario to unfold.

Omigawd! You’ve changed sides! Sounds like you’re on Team Bill now!
/s

 

[Salsalife]

Thunder.....

 

[TommyD4207]

Who should they have signed of enlightened one? Given Tryon Smith a giant contract? How many wins did he help the Jets get?

Should they have given Calvin Ridley 30mil a year? He wanted to play in the south so it would have taken a drastic over pay to get, also how many wins did he get the Titans?

This FA was terrible in terms of talent. Trent Brown was the second best LT available and Owenu was considered the best young OL available and they resigned him, and he hasn't exactly been a bright spot on the offense but at least he is serviceable.

Again, who should they have signed that they missed out on? Again you have to add additional cost to any player they missed out on since the Pats were probably the least desirable landing spot this past FA

You could have signed everyone you mentioned and still have been tens of millions under the cap, and had an offensive line and WR room better than 32nd in the league.

 

[gobesmug]

I sent you the list. I’m not going to do the Woolf again every time an excuse maker wants it.

Do this for me.

Can you honestly tell me that a 4-13 with Mac jones at QB gets Drake Maye and has the 3rd pick in the rest of the rounds and ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS of cap space and the best they can do is get worse and build an ol that players pulled off the waiver wire starts on?
Are you really saying that?

Are you honestly telling me there were no free agents available that were good enough to be better than the crap we are putting on the field?

Come on.

If you can't put this list together it shows you are making a strawman argument.

 

[gobesmug]

Question for you. If I eat ramen noodles for 8 years then one might go out and spend big at an expensive restaurant and over the whole 8 years spend less on food than anyone else, am I cheap?

No but when you eat Ramen once in 8 years doesn't make you cheap either.

This is the only time the Pats have left this much cap space available but it wasn't because they didn't try spending. They tried getting and paying Aiyuk but he vetoed the trade. They tried signing Calvin Ridley. We don't know what other players they tried signing either.

You should just be a Jets fan. You sound just like one and would love what they do every year.

 

[gobesmug]

You could have signed everyone you mentioned and still have been tens of millions under the cap, and had an offensive line and WR room better than 32nd in the league.

Wrong. Calvin Ridley would have required 30mil a year to sign here or maybe even more. He didn't want to play here.

But you missed the biggest point, the Pats have the same exact record as the teams that signed those guys

 

[Ring 6]

If you can't put this list together it shows you are making a strawman argument.

No it shows i already did it and it’s a fact there were dozens of players better than who we are playing and im not a performance monkey.
The fact chatting look at the lists and answer what I asked must prove you have a straw man argument right?
It’s ok if you honestly want to try to say there were no free agents better than waiver claims but you look dumb doing so

 

[gobesmug]

Salary cap issues? We didn’t spend to the cap. How was that an issue?

Aiyuk was a marketing ploy. They knew he wasn’t going anywhere but Pittsburgh so they told you they would pay him.

They won’t spend 132 million of cap. Not a chance.

I understand what you are trying to say, but it doesn’t apply. They didn’t purposely hold back money to load up next year. They held it back because they had a budget. They will next year too and it will be nowhere near spending what it takes to attract up wards of 100 million in cap space on premium free agents.

You are a Jets fan through and through.

The Patriots have always spent to the cap. They aren't being cheap. You refuse to acknowledge how terrible the FA pool was this year and refuse to admit that the Pats did try to spend but failed because no one wanted to join.

Signing Calvin Ridley to over 30mil a year would have been a disastrous Signing.

Spending money just to spend money is sure fire way to stay terrible for years

 

[gobesmug]

No it shows i already did it and it’s a fact there were dozens of players better than who we are playing and im not a performance monkey.
The fact chatting look at the lists and answer what I asked must prove you have a straw man argument right?
It’s ok if you honestly want to try to say there were no free agents better than waiver claims but you look dumb doing so

No you don't want to do it, because you know every player you list will get picked apart and make you look foolish

 

[Ring 6]

No but when you eat Ramen once in 8 years doesn't make you cheap either.

This is the only time the Pats have left this much cap space available but it wasn't because they didn't try spending. They tried getting and paying Aiyuk but he vetoed the trade. They tried signing Calvin Ridley. We don't know what other players they tried signing either.

You should just be a Jets fan. You sound just like one and would love what they do every year.

They left cap last year. They used the cap in BBs years but were lowest in the NFL in cash payroll

Aiyuk was a marketing ploy they knew he wasn’t going anywhere but Pittsburgh, they let Tennessee outbid us for Ridley. They could have signed either and still left 25 millio+ in cap on the table.

I sound like a jet fan because I am angry we are turning into the jets (currently we are worse) while you defending it and arguing we should be a declining 3 win team because we are the input team who can’t get players and shouldn’t send for them. Gotcha

 

[Ring 6]

No you don't want to do it, because you know every player you list will get picked apart and make you look foolish

I give you the list. Pick whoever you want. Or just tell me the ones who are worse than waiver claims and we can eliminate those and narrow it down to 100 or so.

Just so we are clear you believe picking up waived players and starting them was smart and the better could do because not a single free agent was better than a waive claim right?

 

[Ring 6]

You are a Jets fan through and through.

The Patriots have always spent to the cap. They aren't being cheap. You refuse to acknowledge how terrible the FA pool was this year and refuse to admit that the Pats did try to spend but failed because no one wanted to join.

Signing Calvin Ridley to over 30mil a year would have been a disastrous Signing.

Spending money just to spend money is sure fire way to stay terrible for years

The Patriots spent the least money of all nfl teams on players from 2016-2023. That’s a fact. Twisting it and lying about it doesn’t change that.
They haven’t spent to the cap in 2 years. Why? Because the makeup of the roster means it would have been cash heavy to do so, and Kraft won’t do it. These are facts.

Ridley got 23 mill a year not 30 and his 2024 cap number is 10 million. We could have signed 4 of him. But that 40 mill of cap would have been 120,000,000 of cash and Kraft won’t allow that.

Not spending money means not getting players and Kraft pocketing it doesn’t help the team

 

[mgteich]

I’m just trying to figure out what’s so controversial about a run up the middle in short yardage. It has a high success rate and a low chance of anything going exceptionally wrong. Those two plays probably wouldn’t be in the top 20 most questionable offensive play calls of any given game.

Any call that doesn't work is controversial.

Two runs between the tackles on short yardage is NOT controversial.

 

[mgteich]

IMO, firing AVP (unless his replacement is Josh) would be worse than any decision made the 2024 off-season. The Maye Offense is developing.

At minimum, we should be adding 2 WR's, 2 OT's, and a backup center. In addition, we should re-sign Hooper and have Andrews, Andrews, Strange, and Wallace coming back. All this should greatly help AVP and Maye in Year 2 of the Maye era. And yes, the 2024 rookies should be better in 2025, as should Boutte and Douglas.
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The Defense need a top player at every level: DT, DE, EDGE, ILB, CB and S.

Ans, is there anyone on the coaching staff that worth keeping, perhaps Pelligrino? If Mayo is still here, Hightower will stay.

 

[Ring 6]

IMO, firing AVP (unless his replacement is Josh) would be worse than any decision made the 2024 off-season. The Maye Offense is developing.

At minimum, we should be adding 2 WR's, 2 OT's, and a backup center. In addition, we should re-sign Hooper and have Andrews, Andrews, Strange, and Wallace coming back. All this should greatly help AVP and Maye in Year 2 of the Maye era. And yes, the 2024 rookies should be better in 2025, as should Boutte and Douglas.
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The Defense need a top player at every level: DT, DE, EDGE, ILB, CB and S.

Ans, is there anyone on the coaching staff that worth keeping, perhaps Pelligrino? If Mayo is still here, Hightower will stay.

Why would you make changes and keep the guy who is holding back the offense in charge?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

IMO, firing AVP (unless his replacement is Josh) would be worse than any decision made the 2024 off-season. The Maye Offense is developing.

Maye is developing, the offense isn't. Last time I checked the Pats were almost the worst offense in the league, so I guess you can say the offense is developing since it can't get any worse - LOL. Firing AVP would be bad because we would not be able to score more than 17 points per game? LOL We scored over 20 points a game with Cam Newton. The OC scores 17 points a game with Maye as the QB and you think we should keep the OC? You must enjoy going to the circus.

At minimum, we should be adding 2 WR's, 2 OT's, and a backup center. In addition, we should re-sign Hooper and have Andrews, Andrews, Strange, and Wallace coming back. All this should greatly help AVP and Maye in Year 2 of the Maye era. And yes, the 2024 rookies should be better in 2025, as should Boutte and Douglas.

AVP sucks. If objective stats like fewest points per game in the whole league do not convince you, what is a bad OC to you? Most people think that finishing last is a pretty good indicator, but you see other objective stats that say AVP is good? Please share your "good stats" with us.

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The Defense need a top player at every level: DT, DE, EDGE, ILB, CB and S.

Ans, is there anyone on the coaching staff that worth keeping, perhaps Pelligrino? If Mayo is still here, Hightower will stay.

Why would anyone care if Mayo and Hightower stay? The defense sucks. The LB play has been awful. We have 3 wins.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Two runs between the tackles on short yardage is NOT controversial.

It depends on the defense. Running between the tackles if the defense has three DTs playing or 8/9 guys in the box is silly. Two stupid runs into a strong "run stuffing" defense is controversial.