AVP comments about JK being upset @ playcalling.

[Huckleberry1]

Why is mayo blaming the playcalling here
These coaches should be on the same page on auch critical situations , they need to be in synch otherwise they can not work together

The single most compelling case for firing Mayo is the fact that at no point this season has he taken responsibility for the state of the team. People can say whatever they want about Belichick’s faults, but he ALWAYS took responsibility for the team’s performance. And the worst they performed the more responsibility he took. Mayo has taken zero responsibility for the team’s performance, and that’s unacceptable.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Why is mayo blaming the playcalling here
These coaches should be on the same page on auch critical situations , they need to be in synch otherwise they can not work together

The single most compelling case for firing Mayo is the fact that at no point this season has he taken responsibility for the state of the team. People can say whatever they want about Belichick’s faults, but he ALWAYS took responsibility for the team’s performance. And the worst

It's the prevailing attitude amongst the Belichick fans that they want to put all the blame on Kraft for everything.

Your post seemed like it is trying to place all the blame on ownership. Ownership isn't the problem until they start firing HCs 3 games into the regular season or sticking with a HC or GM after multiple failed seasons.

At this point it's still too soon to blame Wolf IMO but there definitely appears to be some dysfunction from the coaching staff which is a problem.

If Wolf tries to move on from Mayo in offseason and is blocked by the ownership then I think it is fair to then blame ownership.

Bob Kraft has made mistakes.

Bill Belichick has made mistakes.

Eliot Wolf has made mistakes.

All of the above are true.

 

[borg]

The single most compelling case for firing Mayo is the fact that at no point this season has he taken responsibility for the state of the team.

Disagree.

If memory serves, Mayo has come to embrace the phrase "As head coach, it's on me".

One could argue he doesn't actually believe these words.

I subscribe to the notion Mayo's quick-to-point-fingers, post-game press cluster-phucks are moments of absolute honesty, much the same as a drunk ranting unfiltered truths one would never utter sober.

 

[Huckleberry1]

In the end the offense has improved as the season has progressed. So AVP is doing his job. The defense has regressed.

It’s hard to know who gets the credit for Maye’s development. It could be Macadoo, it could be Van Pelt. But Van Pelt is above Macadoo so he gets ultimate credit or blame. However the play calling has been really bad, and that’s on Van Pelt. Ultimately the only thing that really matters to me is that they stay in a form of the west coast offense. I don’t want them changing systems on him, so no return to the Erhardt-Perkins offense.

 

[gobesmug]

Here we go again. YAWN.

Go follow your idol on UNC message boards

 

[dliverey44]

It's the prevailing attitude amongst the Belichick fans that they want to put all the blame on Kraft for everything.

Your post seemed like it is trying to place all the blame on ownership. Ownership isn't the problem until they start firing HCs 3 games into the regular season or sticking with a HC or GM after multiple failed seasons.

At this point it's still too soon to blame Wolf IMO but there definitely appears to be some dysfunction from the coaching staff which is a problem.

If Wolf tries to move on from Mayo in offseason and is blocked by the ownership then I think it is fair to then blame ownership.

Its not Wolfs call about moving on from Mayo. I am pretty sure they are considered equal in the hierarchy in the sense that they both answer to ownership individually.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Name one single owner in the NFL that has had more success than Robert Kraft.

He saved this team from becoming another NY team based in CT and brought in leadership, which included trading a 1st rd pick for a HC that won 6 superbowls.

The amount of disrespect Kraft gets is ridiculous. Would you rather have Jerry Jones who drove away his HOF HC after winning 3 superbowls because he wanted it all about himself? Or how about Dan Snyder? Or perhaps Woody Johnson is more your guy.

Kraft has had 3 HOF HC for his organization and a lot of people liked Mayo. Mayo is clearly not working and showing his inexperience but to blame Kraft is ridiculous.

Did you not watch The Dynasty where Bob admitted he threatened Bill with “it better work” when Bledsoe lost his job. He just made Bledsoe the highest paid QB in NFL history and was benched in favor of a 2nd year 6th round pick.

Pioli also admitted he felt everyone was going to fired had they missed the playoffs in 2001.

Bob Kraft is a turd and is taking credit for success he was trying sabotage in 2001.

 

[yukon cornelius]

It’s hard to know who gets the credit for Maye’s development. It could be Macadoo, it could be Van Pelt. But Van Pelt is above Macadoo so he gets ultimate credit or blame. However the play calling has been really bad, and that’s on Van Pelt. Ultimately the only thing that really matters to me is that they stay in a form of the west coast offense. I don’t want them changing systems on him, so no return to the Erhardt-Perkins offense.

is the play calling bad because AVP is bad at it, or is the play calling bad because the offensive talent is bad, and AVP is trying to squeeze as much out as he can with compromised talent?

 

[gobesmug]

Its not Wolfs call about moving on from Mayo. I am pretty sure they are considered equal in the hierarchy in the sense that they both answer to ownership individually.

If that's true, he is a terrible spot. Thats a decision I would blame on ownership, you should allow your GM the ability to choose their HC or the allow the HC to choose their GM. Having them separate just allows for a dysfunctional system

 

[Huckleberry1]

is the play calling bad because AVP is bad at it, or is the play calling bad because the offensive talent is bad, and AVP is trying to squeeze as much out as he can with compromised talent?

I don’t think the offensive talent is great, but you still have to make the most of what you have, and none of them have done that. My bigger issue is with who is taking responsibility, and all I see is deflection by the coaches. Kendrick Bourne has taken more responsibility than the entire coaching. staff put together.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Go follow your idol on UNC message boards

I’m a big Belichick fan, and I get called a hater simply because I hold him responsible for his decisions. Calling him the GOAT isn’t enough for the sycophants, you have to consider him beyond any reproach at all.

 

[gobesmug]

Did you not watch The Dynasty where Bob admitted he threatened Bill with “it better work” when Bledsoe lost his job. He just made Bledsoe the highest paid QB in NFL history and was benched in favor of a 2nd year 6th round pick.

Pioli also admitted he felt everyone was going to fired had they missed the playoffs in 2001.

Bob Kraft is a turd and is taking credit for success he was trying sabotage in 2001.

Belichick made a very bold decision in keeping Brady over Bledsoe. If that had been the wrong decision then he should have been canned.

He only won 5 games the year prior, when Pete Carroll had them in the playoffs.

Of course keeping Brady was the right call, which Kraft allowed during the season. If Kraft was meddling he would have forced Bledsoe back into the starting position. Instead he allowed his coach the room to make that decision and it turned into a great decision.

No way Jerry Jones or Woody Johnson allow that scenario to unfold.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I don’t think the offensive talent is great, but you still have to make the most of what you have, and none of them have done that. My bigger issue is with who is taking responsibility, and all I see is deflection by the coaches. Kendrick Bourne has taken more responsibility than the entire coaching. staff put together.

agreed to some extent......but I think AVP has been the most polished/professional in dealing with the media, and I don't see anything in the quote that started this thread that was 'deflection' - he was asked a question, and answered truthfully

 

[Huckleberry1]

agreed to some extent......but I think AVP has been the most polished/professional in dealing with the media, and I don't see anything in the quote that started this thread that was 'deflection' - he was asked a question, and answered truthfully

My comment about deflection was based upon no one on the coaching staff, in particular Mayo, taking responsibility for poor performances.

Belichick, on the other hand, always took responsibility for poor performances, and never threw anyone under the bus. But that’s only because Belichick is a Belichick hater. He never made any mistakes, and he shouldn’t have taken responsibility for any poor performances. Those were always someone else’s fault.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Belichick made a very bold decision in keeping Brady over Bledsoe. If that had been the wrong decision then he should have been canned.

He only won 5 games the year prior, when Pete Carroll had them in the playoffs.

Of course keeping Brady was the right call, which Kraft allowed during the season. If Kraft was meddling he would have forced Bledsoe back into the starting position. Instead he allowed his coach the room to make that decision and it turned into a great decision.

No way Jerry Jones or Woody Johnson allow that scenario to unfold.

Hiring Belichick was the best decision Kraft ever made. And keeping Brady over Bledsoe was the best decision Belichick ever made. Not that he ever made a bad decision, as I would never hate Belichick enough to suggest that.

 

[TheRainMaker]

He only won 5 games the year prior, when Pete Carroll had them in the playoffs.

They missed the playoffs in 1999 going 8-8. Overall, they were not a good enough team, but Adam Vinatieri was a big reason why they missed the playoffs that year. Had he made at least two routine, field goals, they would've been 10-6.

Belichick made a very bold decision in keeping Brady over Bledsoe. If that had been the wrong decision then he should have been canned.

Of course keeping Brady was the right call, which Kraft allowed during the season. If Kraft was meddling he would have forced Bledsoe back into the starting position. Instead he allowed his coach the room to make that decision and it turned into a great decision.

Bill was facing a double edged sword. He was brought in to take the current team back to the playoffs. He made a deteriorating roster even worse which lead to the 5-11 season in 2000. He brought cheap older veterans over in 2001 and the Richard Seymour pick was very controversial. Going into the season, they looked like a carbon copy of 2000. Had he stuck with Bledsoe, they wouldn't have made the playoffs and Bill would've been fired. As much as I was a fan of Bledsoe and wanted him to play over Brady (even in the Super Bowl), he wasn't a good fit for the current team. And had the Brady experiment failed, Bill would've been fired.

The point is, Bob was waiting for Bill to fail one way or another, but it didn't happen.

 

[Sect140]

Did you not watch The Dynasty where Bob admitted he threatened Bill with “it better work” when Bledsoe lost his job. He just made Bledsoe the highest paid QB in NFL history and was benched in favor of a 2nd year 6th round pick.

Pioli also admitted he felt everyone was going to fired had they missed the playoffs in 2001.

Bob Kraft is a turd and is taking credit for success he was trying sabotage in 2001.

Maybe Bob does have it in him to fire a coach quickly.

 

[dliverey44]

The single most compelling case for firing Mayo is the fact that at no point this season has he taken responsibility for the state of the team. People can say whatever they want about Belichick’s faults, but he ALWAYS took responsibility for the team’s performance. And the worst they performed the more responsibility he took. Mayo has taken zero responsibility for the team’s performance, and that’s unacceptable.

He has said quite a few times that it all starts with him.

 

[gobesmug]

My comment about deflection was based upon no one on the coaching staff, in particular Mayo, taking responsibility for poor performances.

Belichick, on the other hand, always took responsibility for poor performances, and never threw anyone under the bus. But that’s only because Belichick is a Belichick hater. He never made any mistakes, and he shouldn’t have taken responsibility for any poor performances. Those were always someone else’s fault.

Excellent post. The excuses that Belichick would never give himself are the ones his devout followers give in abundance.

Love almost everything BB did during the 2000-2019 years. Dude was the goat of that era

 

[Love The Drake]

Maybe Bob does have it in him to fire a coach quickly.

But Mayo is a brown noser and Bill is anything but.