Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[sportnik]

It's an interesting situation because out of college the word was Maye was the least ready for the NFL.

Now he makes decisions like a veteran.

Did he learn all by himself?

AVP is the only coach on the staff that’s done good work this year & the HC wants to throw him under the bus to save his own skin.

This is classic behavior from a no talent, empty stuffed suit, hack, who rose the corporate ladder by kissing ass & deflecting blame for all of his failures on his higher performing co-workers. It’s despicable behavior on Mayo’s part. It’s frightening that the Krafts chose a weasel to lead to franchise.

Mayo adds no value & spends all of his energy trying to cover his ass and deflect blame on others. He’s a cancer on this franchise.

 

[Tunescribe]

No my issue is the same with Mac. I didn’t want either Mac or Mayo to begin with. I wouldn’t lose sleep over them getting fired.

My issue was there are 20 things wrong with the team and they’ve been wrong for several years and Mac and Mayo were just who people are hyper fixated on because people want the lowest hanging fruit for a quick turnaround that doesn’t exist.

This wasn’t a playoff team with Bill Belichick, it’s not with Mayo and it won’t be if that’s the major change next year.

The bad roster has been the common denominator for years. The next coach who has success here will be because we solved that difficult problem. Not because they tightened some sloppy elements up

My primary point is that Mayo's shortcomings transcend the paltry roster -- he's not just a whipping boy. Even with the roster as is, I think you'd see a quick turnaround in terms of overall competitiveness given competent coaching. The Patriots arguably should have three more wins at this point.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Tell me why I should watch a team that isn’t even giving an effort?

If they were trying their best but just sucked I would be 100% behind them. I have a very hard time devoting a significant portion of my precious little free time to a team that largely is going through the motions every week and doesn’t care. If they don’t care, why should I?

You don't have to watch if you got better things to do, we'll give a ring when they're good again so you're not suffering on Sundays anymore.
BTW, they're all trying, they're just not good. Happens in the NFL, teams go up, then go down.

 

[Love The Drake]

AVP is the only coach on the staff that’s done good work this year & the HC wants to throw him under the bus to save his own skin.

This is classic behavior from a no talent, empty stuffed suit, hack, who rose the corporate ladder by kissing ass & deflecting blame for all of his failures on his higher performing co-workers. It’s despicable behavior on Mayo’s part. It’s frightening that the Krafts chose a weasel to lead to franchise.

Mayo adds no value & spends all of his energy trying to cover his ass and deflect blame on others. He’s a cancer on this franchise.

If Mayo is fired before the season ends.
Make AVP interm head coach.
I would love if someone like Vrabel would be open to keeping AVP and Macadoo for Maye. As well as McCartney.

Vrabel may entertain that.

 

[Family]

Maye right now just flat out isn’t playing as well as Tannehill this year. He’s being judged as a rookie and how he develops.

If it meant that much we wouldn’t have 3 wins

I don't think Tannehill is in the NFL this year, so you must mean a few years ago.

Yeah Tannehill had some stretches in his 30's during the regular season, but he was never a serious playoff QB.

Maye is a rookie.

 

[Brotherblues]

 

[Nikolai]

I thought the issue with Mayo isn't that the team is losing. I had them at 4-13 at the beginning of the year, so it's not that the record is unexpected.

It's the expressed lack of accountability from Mayo that appears to transcend press conferences and extend to the practice field and game day. We're on to Game 15 and the team has regressed in fundamentals, situational awareness, discipline, and accountability since Game 1. That's an indictment on the coaching, with no evidence that there is accountability enough at critical places in the coaching staff to inspire improvement anytime soon.

The fact that Maye is flashing some serious potential added urgency that wasn't necessarily there earlier this season.

 

[203Pat]

 

[Thelonious]

I've been a fan of Tom Curran for a long time, but his shameless shilling for Mayo and the Krafts has in my mind forfeited any respect I might have had for him as a journalist. He keeps bringing up the notion that VanPelt might have been "insubordinate," setting up the only coach on the team who has done at least a competent job of meeting his coaching responsibilities as the fall guy. Shameless ass-kissing on Curran's part, lying in effect because the Krafts have buttered his bread for decades, and Mayo is a pal.

 

[203Pat]

I've been a fan of Tom Curran for a long time, but his shameless shilling for Mayo and the Krafts has in my mind forfeited any respect I might have had for him as a journalist. He keeps bringing up the notion that VanPelt might have been "insubordinate," setting up the only coach on the team who has done at least a competent job of meeting his coaching responsibilities as the fall guy. Shameless ass-kissing on Curran's part, lying in effect because the Krafts have buttered his bread for decades, and Mayo is a pal.

I don't know what the deal is, but it seems like AVP and Mayo haven't been on the same page for a while. Obviously, I have no way to prove that, but based on Mayo's comments since pretty much the start of the summer, reading between the lines, it just always seemed like there was some tension to me. It almost seems like a foregone conclusion that Van Pelt will be scapegoated in a few weeks.

 

[turkeyneck]

I've been a fan of Tom Curran for a long time, but his shameless shilling for Mayo and the Krafts has in my mind forfeited any respect I might have had for him as a journalist. He keeps bringing up the notion that VanPelt might have been "insubordinate," setting up the only coach on the team who has done at least a competent job of meeting his coaching responsibilities as the fall guy. Shameless ass-kissing on Curran's part, lying in effect because the Krafts have buttered his bread for decades, and Mayo is a pal.

AVP insubordinate? Probably said something to Mayo to the effect of he needs to do less CEO-ing and more coaching.

 

[Family]

I thought the issue with Mayo isn't that the team is losing. I had them at 4-13 at the beginning of the year, so it's not that the record is unexpected.

It's the expressed lack of accountability from Mayo that appears to transcend press conferences and extend to the practice field and game day. We're on to Game 15 and the team has regressed in fundamentals, situational awareness, discipline, and accountability since Game 1. That's an indictment on the coaching, with no evidence that there is accountability enough at critical places in the coaching staff to inspire improvement anytime soon.

I was on the BB should be fired train last year, but at least the team showed up most weeks.

They were bad beginning to end, but there was fight.

If the team had better fundamentals, and were fighting every week, I wouldn't care about the record.

 

[Ross12]

You don't have to watch if you got better things to do, we'll give a ring when they're good again so you're not suffering on Sundays anymore.
BTW, they're all trying, they're just not good. Happens in the NFL, teams go up, then go down.

I disagree.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I’ve already decided that if they bring Mayo back next year then I won’t bother watching the games. I wonder how many others will feel the same.

Having a team that loses, doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when Ownership doesn't give a **** and hires unqualified people to make extremely poor decisions to push out the product we currently see. There's nothing wrong with tuning them out until they start making decisions that makes an effort to put the team on the right track. What they did this offseason was not it. I've never understood the logic that you're supposed to like a team no matter what they do. That's like saying you're supposed to like every song/album an artist makes or every movie a director or actor make.

The reality is that Bob Kraft inherited a team with a Super Bowl winning HC, who just drafted a future franchise QB and was two years away from the best drafts in Patriots history (1995 and 1996) which set them up for many years. Last but not least, Bill also brought his buddy Bill Belichick back onto his staff which created the future relationship with Bob Kraft.

After Parcells and Belichick left, it has exposed Bob's incompetence as a football Owner. Parcells said something like Bob Kraft has no business telling him how to make football decisions.

 

[Thelonious]

I don't know what the deal is, but it seems like AVP and Mayo haven't been on the same page for a while. Obviously, I have no way to prove that, but based on Mayo's comments since pretty much the start of the summer, reading between the lines, it just always seemed like there was some tension to me. It almost seems like a foregone conclusion that Van Pelt will be scapegoated in a few weeks.

I agree that is likely. I do not think it is fair. AVP's playcalling has been frustratingly conservative, no question, but there is no way he has been as utterly and destructively incompetent as Mayo (and Wolf) have. The Krafts, Robert in particular, showed irresponsibly poor judgment in running a half-assed, irresponsibly personalized ****show of a hiring process which yielded the worst leadership group in the league. There's the precipitating cause of the whole mess. AVP's limitations are way down the list of the team's problems.

 

[lancerman]

I don't think Tannehill is in the NFL this year, so you must mean a few years ago.

Yeah Tannehill had some stretches in his 30's during the regular season, but he was never a serious playoff QB.

Maye is a rookie.

Yes when Vrabel was actually winning

 

[203Pat]

I agree that is likely. I do not think it is fair. AVP's playcalling has been frustratingly conservative, no question, but there is no way he has been as utterly and destructively incompetent as Mayo (and Wolf) have. The Krafts, Robert in particular, showed irresponsibly poor judgment in running a half-assed, irresponsibly personalized ****show of a hiring process which yielded the worst leadership group in the league. There's the precipitating cause of the whole mess. AVP's limitations are way down the list of the team's problems.

I am no AVP cheerleader by any means, but I think he has been the best coach on the staff. I agree on the Krafts as well. I don't know how they thought this could work. A first-time head coach who has never been a play caller or even a coordinator before and really only had 5 years of coaching experience. They then support him with a first-time GM, a first-time DC, an OC who only called plays for a partial season, and a bunch of inexperienced position coaches.

That was why I was willing to give Mayo the benefit of the doubt for a while, but his constant media blunders have made me run out of patience. I knew there would be some game-day flubs and some learning on the fly, but it is mainly everything off the field that has me ready to move on. The weekly postgame soundbite he then retracts on Monday. Mayo has now thrown AVP under the bus as well as Wolf a couple of months back and seems averse to accepting responsibility in the moment. Compile that with the players consistently saying stupid things and Mayo doing nothing to address it, it seems clear that he isn't cut out for this.

 

[yukon cornelius]

AVP is the only coach I 100% think SHOULD be back next year - Maye has developed a ton this year, to the point where I think he's set up to be the best of this draft class when all is said and done; if his arc continues on a track reasonably close to what it has been so far, he's the top QB from this draft hands down........a couple of the others have come into a situation better than Maye's, and have better overall stats, but the tools & skillset Maye has shown so far will move him to the head of that class rather quickly.........looking at where he was when drafted and where he is at now, his development has been top notch.......someone has brought him along quite nicely - conservative playcalling aside, that's gotta bode well for AVP

 

[Love The Drake]

Isn’t Schefter and Kraft in business together.

 

[Family]

Yes when Vrabel was actually winning

Tannehill was a mediocre QB his entire career.

Out of 6 years in Miami, he had one ok season where he played 13 games and had a 8-5 record, but didn't last until the playoffs. The rest were 500 or worse.

The only sniff of success Tannehill ever had was under Vrabel.

Why don't you give Vrabel credit for squeezing something out of a borderline jag?

How is Tennessee now with Vrabel gone?