Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[The Gr8est]

There a difference between losing because of a lack of talent and losing because players are poorly coached. I see the offense losing because the players suck. Defense, it's about a lack of discipline, technique, communication. I.e., coaching

Why does Mayo throw AVP under the bus, but NEVER points the finger at Covington?

 

[Family]

Vrabel when he was winning had the best RB in football, AJ Brown who is probably considered one of the top 5 WR's in the league, Jonnu Smith at TE when everyone thought he was still good (and frankly he was only bad here), one of the top 10 lines with a pro bowl center, an All Pro DE in Jeffrey Simmons, an All Pro FS in Byard, two pro bowl level linebackers. They had All Pro and pro bowl level players in all 3 levels of the defense, a top line with pro bowl players there, a legendary RB and one of the top WR's in the league along with one of the better young TE's.

That's a stacked team. This is why I think Patriots fans are just name dropping Vrabel because they know who he is and saw him beat us a few times.

If the way to counteract how talented that team is to point to the non elite but very above average QB who had an above 100 passer rating in 2019 (led the league that year) and 2020, and was having career high completion percentages, career low interceptions numbers (2021 was the only year on the Titans he had more than 7 interceptions). And also led the league in yards per average 2019.... I really don't know what to tell you.

Like I said in another thread, Vrabel got fired for getting 6 wins on a much better team than the one we have now. There's zero reason to think he's doing better here with this ****show of a roster.

You do realize that since Vrabel was hired as Titan's coach, the AFC Super Bowl teams have had Brady, Mahomes, Burrows as QB? Josh Allen hasn't even been able to push through.

How does meaningless regular season Tannehill stack up to those players as playoff Tannehill?

7 TD's 5 INTs.... 151 yards PER GAME passing. (BTW the Titans squeezed out two playoff wins with those stats.)

Tannehill was an average regular season QB, but the bottom of the barrel when it counted most.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Why does Mayo throw AVP under the bus, but NEVER points the finger at Covington?

Because defense is his side of the ball and Covington is his personal hire.

There is report that says that Mayo was criticizing the offense a lot last year in coaches meetings.

He is the typical corporate boss.

 

[Family]

Love Drake, but it’s almost painful in a way seeing him shine alone surrounded by complacent losers. If anything I would be worried that one day I would tune in and he would also stop caring and start going through the motions himself. Save myself that trouble.

Like I said soft.

You should have lived through Jim Plunkett's journey.

But it made the first Super Bowl win much sweeter.

 

[Ross12]

Like I said soft.

You should have lived through Jim Plunkett's journey.

But it made the first Super Bowl win much sweeter.

I really don’t understand your point at all. I’m “soft” because I might not want to watch a team that almost completely doesn’t even try, led by coaches that have no idea what they’re doing and just point fingers at each other, and I really should be watching because the QB is good and he makes some good plays sometimes? That’s worth 4 hours of my weekend every week for 17 weeks?

I’m all for supporting plucky losers, bad teams who are trying their best. But have a hard time supporting a team who couldn’t care less themselves.

 

[lancerman]

You do realize that since Vrabel was hired as Titan's coach, the AFC Super Bowl teams have had Brady, Mahomes, Burrows as QB? Josh Allen hasn't even been able to push through.

How does meaningless regular season Tannehill stack up to those players as playoff Tannehill?

7 TD's 5 INTs.... 151 yards PER GAME passing.

Tannehill was an average regular season QB, but the bottom of the barrel when it counted most.

Dude I'm not going back and forth with you on this. Only on here would someone claim Vrabel didn't have a ton of talent on his team. I gave you examples of All Pro and Pro bowl quality talent he had at every level of the defense and offense when his team was doing well for like 2 and half seasons and you decided to die on the hill of "well his team can't be loaded because look who the QB is" and even the QB was having great seasons when that happened. So now you pivoted to "well look at his playoff stats".

If you think Vrabel didn't have a stacked roster, then you are in an extreme minority of people who actually watched those teams. There's not even much to debate, you are just wrong and are hugging to the flimsiest excuse possible to say they weren't really stacked when at worst the QB was average and at best he was having career years.

The argument in question was that his teams were stacked. There's a very clear answer. It's yes.

No explain how that translates to one of the least talented rosters winning with him when he only won 6 games on a better team?

 

[Family]

I really don’t understand your point at all. I’m “soft” because I might not want to watch a team that almost completely doesn’t even try, led by coaches that have no idea what they’re doing and just point fingers at each other, and I really should be watching because the QB is good and he makes some good plays sometimes? That’s worth 4 hours of my weekend every week for 17 weeks?

I’m all for supporting plucky losers, bad teams who are trying their best. But have a hard time supporting a team who couldn’t care less themselves.

It's being a fan during bad times.

Are you a fan of the team?

 

[lancerman]

Why does Mayo throw AVP under the bus, but NEVER points the finger at Covington?

Because it's easier to **** on the offense when they are one of the worst units in the league than the defense and Mayo is considered more responsible for the defense so it reflects more on him.

 

[Love The Drake]

It's being a fan during bad times.

Are you a fan of the team?

I agree with this but the bad times are largely being self inflicted by the ownership poor decisions and a coach who can’t lead or coach.

Fans need to speak up.

This isn’t the ball hasn’t been bouncing the right way or injuries to star players. And we are starting WRs at DBs as Bill had done and still won games mind you.

 

[Family]

No explain how that translates to one of the least talented rosters winning with him when he only won 6 games on a better team?

Because he will have a QB.

I don't see how any AFC team can be considered having a loaded roster with an average QB.

The rules so much favor the QB.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Family]

I agree with this but the bad times are largely being self inflicted by the ownership poor decisions and a coach who can’t lead or coach.

Fans need to speak up.

Agreed.

But you have to actually watch the games to have the right to speak up.

 

[PatsFan2]

They can't live off past success for long it's been a while.

 

[Love The Drake]

Agreed.

But you have to actually watch the games to have the right to speak up.

I agree

 

[Tunescribe]

People are saying that now because he's on their **** list. A year ago, two years ago, the story was "if you ask the players they all love Mayo and think he's the coordinator and Steve is doing something in the background".

Nobody was down on Mayo the last two years and claiming Steve was the real brains behind it. Hell Steve used to get more flack for being the coaches son and the players not really ever going to bat for him. And people were PISSED that Bill almost let the guy who was perceived as the best coordinator on the team go because his son needed a spot.

I'm not saying what you are saying ISN'T true. But it only really started becoming a narrative when Mayo got the HC job and now we all think he sucks.

It's not revisionist history, I just shared what I recalled from 2022-2023 before Mayo became HC. I certainly don't remember Jerod being lauded as some sort of defensive architect or "the brains" behind what the defense was doing. But it does make sense that players enthusiastically embraced the contrast he offered to BB in the touchy-feely department.

If Jerod genuinely was THE defensive coordinator, don't you think we would've heard more about strategic/tactical wrinkles he might have offered? It seems to me that Steve called signals on game day for reasons beyond nepotism. Also, if Mayo is a defensive specialist, why hasn't he done more to help Covington? Adjustments both during and between games with this unit are egregiously AWOL.

I'm getting the sense from your posts that you feel Mayo is getting a bum rap.

 

[lancerman]

Because he will have a QB.

I don't see how any AFC team can be considered having a loaded roster with an average QB.

The rules so much favor the QB.

Maye right now just flat out isn’t playing as well as Tannehill this year. He’s being judged as a rookie and how he develops.

If it meant that much we wouldn’t have 3 wins

 

[lancerman]

It's not revisionist history, I just shared what I recalled from 2022-2023 before Mayo became HC. I certainly don't remember Jerod being lauded as some sort of defensive architect or "the brains" behind what the defense was doing. But it does make sense that players enthusiastically embraced the contrast he offered to BB in the touchy-feely department.

If Jerod genuinely was THE defensive coordinator, don't you think we would've heard more about strategic/tactical wrinkles he might have offered? It seems to me that Steve called signals on game day for reasons beyond nepotism. Also, if Mayo is a defensive specialist, why hasn't he done more to help Covington? Adjustments both during and between games with this unit are egregiously AWOL.

I'm getting the sense from your posts that you feel Mayo is getting a bum rap.

No my issue is the same with Mac. I didn’t want either Mac or Mayo to begin with. I wouldn’t lose sleep over them getting fired.

My issue was there are 20 things wrong with the team and they’ve been wrong for several years and Mac and Mayo were just who people are hyper fixated on because people want the lowest hanging fruit for a quick turnaround that doesn’t exist.

This wasn’t a playoff team with Bill Belichick, it’s not with Mayo and it won’t be if that’s the major change next year.

The bad roster has been the common denominator for years. The next coach who has success here will be because we solved that difficult problem. Not because they tightened some sloppy elements up

 

[turkeyneck]

That team is like it’s HC… SOFT!

There is no argument after a game like to cancel internal meetings.

With the exception of a very few players this team, from top to bottom, is effort averse. If the choice is to slack off or bear down they seem always to favor the former. Running the hill, fumble recovery drills on a hosed down frozen field? Nah... Drum circle in front of The Mural, surrounded by a hundred scented candles. Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[The Gr8est]

They can't live off past success for long it's been a while.

To be more exact, they can’t live off the past successes of people they hired, for long.

 

[mike_usagisan]

This wasn’t a playoff team with Bill Belichick, it’s not with Mayo and it won’t be if that’s the major change next year.

Is anyone saying fire Mayo and then stop? People are saying they want better players and better coaches. We don't need to wait for Mayo to screw up even more spectacularly to replace him at the same time as we replace Lowe at LT. Hell, maybe better coaches would be able to coach up our average players.

Also, this whole notion that the Pats are far away from a playoff team... The 6-8 Colts are in the playoff hunt. The 2022 Pats at 8-9 with Mac Jones receiving plays from Matt Patricia were in the playoff hunt. Since going to 14 teams, the playoffs are attainable pretty easily if you can get your team going in the right direction.

Does anyone feel like we're going in the right direction?