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You’re making absolutely no sense. Somehow you decided total cash spending during that period is the sole judge of whether an owner is cheap. You’ve just completely made that up as the only factor that determines that.
You completely ignore the fact that there is a huge outlier year with Covid that affected the Patriots more than any other team.

Your bias is strong, name calling is what happens when you can’t defend your argument

in order to compare him to other teams easiest way to do that just to compare where they placed every single year during that
Here is an example. Washington was 31st from 2016 to 2023. With your fuzzy math method their rankings were 30, 25, 6, 24, 30,15,5,20
So they were 155/8 =19.375 19.5. Higher than the Patriots, and far below 19th on actual real mathematically correct spending.
 
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You're welcome, and it is nice to see you realize how foolish you look saying "Well if I was a billionaire, I would do this..." as if that sets the rules for what all people everywhere should do henceforth for all time.
In case anyone hasn't told you before (or at least lately), you're a classic example of a B.A Degree Pseudo Intellectual, and just generally a Douche Bag. Have a nice day!
 
This thread topic is really pleasant
 
So now the narrative for Belichick’s struggles the last 5 years by Andy is that he was handcuffed by Kraft?

 
So now the narrative for Belichick’s struggles the last 5 years by Andy is that he was handcuffed by Kraft?

I mean the minute we started losing people wanted to blame anyone but Belichick. Don't forget how many people wanted to pretend the 2019 team was perfectly fine and the real problem was that Brady was losing it and was becoming a selfish primadonna who was screwing the team over with his bad play and bad attitude.... That was the narrative from a lot of folks on here.

Turns out nope, Brady was still great, still was the fiercest competitor in the league, the team just sucked.

Then the bad team was Cam's fault, then it was Mac's. Now Bill's gone and we have an undeniable good QB and we are still losing so it's clearly Mayo's fault and the last 5 years is really on Kraft.

The goalposts have just kept moving to ignore the piece of **** team the last GM had been building. And that's before diving into the details that the Patriots decline was actually a result of years of poor drafting BEFORE the last 5 years, 2019 was just when the guys we got from 09-13 finally started aging too much and the lack of refreshing the roster finally caught up to us.
 
So now the narrative for Belichick’s struggles the last 5 years by Andy is that he was handcuffed by Kraft?

Wonder if Mayo feels handcuffed considering he was immediately forced to walk back his "burn some cash" statement in the offseason?

Krafts big '24 purchases: Chuka, Osborn, Palm Beach patio furniture
 
I mean the minute we started losing people wanted to blame anyone but Belichick. Don't forget how many people wanted to pretend the 2019 team was perfectly fine and the real problem was that Brady was losing it and was becoming a selfish primadonna who was screwing the team over with his bad play and bad attitude.... That was the narrative from a lot of folks on here.

Turns out nope, Brady was still great, still was the fiercest competitor in the league, the team just sucked.

Then the bad team was Cam's fault, then it was Mac's. Now Bill's gone and we have an undeniable good QB and we are still losing so it's clearly Mayo's fault and the last 5 years is really on Kraft.

The goalposts have just kept moving to ignore the piece of **** team the last GM had been building. And that's before diving into the details that the Patriots decline was actually a result of years of poor drafting BEFORE the last 5 years, 2019 was just when the guys we got from 09-13 finally started aging too much and the lack of refreshing the roster finally caught up to us.
Sometimes I feel like people on this board watched something completely different from me. Who thought anything like that about Tom?
 
Sometimes I feel like people on this board watched something completely different from me. Who thought anything like that about Tom?
You can go back to some of the topics in 2019 because a lot of people in this thread were saying exactly that. Especially some of the most vocal people
 
So now the narrative for Belichick’s struggles the last 5 years by Andy is that he was handcuffed by Kraft?

He was handcuffed forever, and still had the greatest success in the history of the sport.
It’s an undeniable fact he had the lowest player payroll budget.
 
You can go back to some of the topics in 2019 because a lot of people in this thread were saying exactly that. Especially some of the most vocal people
Like who?
 
There was a question?
 
I'm not a fan of wasteful spending so this chart doesn't mean much to me. But we need to spend on the Oline. Lowe is arguably our best linemen when someone of his caliber should be on the practice squad.
 


How is this the first we're hearing about Kraft being cheap? Why hasn't some variation of 'Kraft is cheap' / BB's hands were tied found it's way into 25% of the threads here? Oh wait... never mind
 
At least I posted something. You haven't posted a single thing to support your thesis other than "I'm right, you're wrong, and if you don't believe me just look it up yourself!!"

It was the mid-to-late-90's and the guy was an RFA. Back then if a player wanted to go, and another team wanted him, there was really nothing you could do to keep him. Such "poison pills" are illegal today, but were allowed back then. You have posted absolutely nothing to contradict my statements of fact.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
“When Martin hit free agency for the first time following the 1997 season, New England offered him a six-year, $12 million contract.”

“We had our statistical gurus tell us that we should be cautious because he was injured in college (and) he had some injuries playing for us,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft explained in “A Football Life: Curtis Martin,” which is set to premiere Friday night on NFL Network.

“I remember just a year before, Drew Bledsoe had signed a contract for six years, $42 million,” Martin said in the documentary. “And his signing bonus was $12 million. I just felt like I was worth more than Drew Bledsoe’s signing bonus.”


"It's funny, because of all the teams that I may have had the opportunity to go to, the Jets were one in particular that I didn't want to go to."

Martin's loyalty changed when Parcells left for the Jets and the Patriots didn't actively try to re-sign their star running back.

Reiss wrote of the Patriots losing Martin:

“It was one of the key decisions that doomed the "triangle of power" regime of [head coach Pete] Carroll, vice president of player personnel Bobby Grier and salary-cap man Andy Wasynczuk.”


“I’ll spare you the painful rehash of his utterly unnecessary departure. Just allow me to note that if Pats owner Bob Kraft hadn’t insinuated Martin would have a short shelf-life, if Kraft hadn’t spent much of the ’97 season gloating about what cheap labor Martin was, if Kraft hadn’t paid turnstiles Todd Rucci and Max Lane a combined $22 million before offering a single peso to Martin, if Kraft had remembered Parcells often called Martin one of his three favorite players he’d ever coached, well, then maybe the Pats wouldn’t have had to spend three high draft picks in failed attempts to replace him.”

“Yeah, I’ll spare you the painful rehash. Just let me note that Kraft bungled the situation with such complete and total incompetence, you have to believe Dan Duquette was giving him management tips.”


“While Martin's departure from New England is old news, the sting never left Carroll, who in March of 2010 cited his departure as the reason he wouldn't return to the NFL unless he had final control of personnel decisions. Carroll said he had made "strong efforts" to let anyone who would listen know that Martin was "not happy and ready to bolt."

"I'll regret that always, and how it fit into the fortunes of that team," Carroll said. "I was up against it because they really felt like we could play with other guys and still be successful."

Martin's mindset changed once former Patriots coach Bill Parcells, who he reveres and said will be his Hall of Fame presenter if he is elected, was hired. Still, while he might have privately been irritated at the lack of aggressiveness from the Patriots on a new contract, he wasn't planning an immediate departure. That's why he was in Maui when he received a call from his agent that the Jets wanted to sign him.


Martin would have been content to spend the rest of his career with the Patriots, but his contract expired after the 1997 season and he rejected their six-year, $21 million offer. Even so, they never thought he'd leave. They had the right to match any offer, and besides, who'd be crazy enough to surrender two premium picks?

"They didn't care at the time," Parker said of the Patriots. "My guess is they assumed he wasn't going anywhere. I don't think they were overly concerned."

"Martin never wanted to play for the Jets. To him, they were a joke."

"In my mind, they were the worst team ever," he said. "I looked at the Jets as the bottom of the barrel."

It was a five-year, $28 million contract with a club option for a sixth year that would bring the total to $36 million, but what made it unusual was Martin's ability to void the deal after one year. It also included a clause that prohibited the team from using the franchise tag, meaning he could be unrestricted after one year.

It was too risky for the Patriots to match because they faced the prospect of losing him after a year (perhaps to the Jets) and receiving nothing -- no draft picks. The Jets leveraged that insecurity. It was a classic poison pill.



 
In case anyone hasn't told you before (or at least lately), you're a classic example of a B.A Degree Pseudo Intellectual, and just generally a Douche Bag. Have a nice day!
Wow. I must have really triggered you to get you to go to personal attacks as fast as you did...

Stop crying, little child. I know it is not your fault you're so stupid, but it isn't my fault either, so don't go gettin' all mad at me over it....
 
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“When Martin hit free agency for the first time following the 1997 season, New England offered him a six-year, $12 million contract.”

“We had our statistical gurus tell us that we should be cautious because he was injured in college (and) he had some injuries playing for us,” Patriots owner Robert Kraft explained in “A Football Life: Curtis Martin,” which is set to premiere Friday night on NFL Network.

“I remember just a year before, Drew Bledsoe had signed a contract for six years, $42 million,” Martin said in the documentary. “And his signing bonus was $12 million. I just felt like I was worth more than Drew Bledsoe’s signing bonus.”


"It's funny, because of all the teams that I may have had the opportunity to go to, the Jets were one in particular that I didn't want to go to."

Martin's loyalty changed when Parcells left for the Jets and the Patriots didn't actively try to re-sign their star running back.

Reiss wrote of the Patriots losing Martin:

“It was one of the key decisions that doomed the "triangle of power" regime of [head coach Pete] Carroll, vice president of player personnel Bobby Grier and salary-cap man Andy Wasynczuk.”


“I’ll spare you the painful rehash of his utterly unnecessary departure. Just allow me to note that if Pats owner Bob Kraft hadn’t insinuated Martin would have a short shelf-life, if Kraft hadn’t spent much of the ’97 season gloating about what cheap labor Martin was, if Kraft hadn’t paid turnstiles Todd Rucci and Max Lane a combined $22 million before offering a single peso to Martin, if Kraft had remembered Parcells often called Martin one of his three favorite players he’d ever coached, well, then maybe the Pats wouldn’t have had to spend three high draft picks in failed attempts to replace him.”

“Yeah, I’ll spare you the painful rehash. Just let me note that Kraft bungled the situation with such complete and total incompetence, you have to believe Dan Duquette was giving him management tips.”


“While Martin's departure from New England is old news, the sting never left Carroll, who in March of 2010 cited his departure as the reason he wouldn't return to the NFL unless he had final control of personnel decisions. Carroll said he had made "strong efforts" to let anyone who would listen know that Martin was "not happy and ready to bolt."

"I'll regret that always, and how it fit into the fortunes of that team," Carroll said. "I was up against it because they really felt like we could play with other guys and still be successful."

Martin's mindset changed once former Patriots coach Bill Parcells, who he reveres and said will be his Hall of Fame presenter if he is elected, was hired. Still, while he might have privately been irritated at the lack of aggressiveness from the Patriots on a new contract, he wasn't planning an immediate departure. That's why he was in Maui when he received a call from his agent that the Jets wanted to sign him.


Martin would have been content to spend the rest of his career with the Patriots, but his contract expired after the 1997 season and he rejected their six-year, $21 million offer. Even so, they never thought he'd leave. They had the right to match any offer, and besides, who'd be crazy enough to surrender two premium picks?

"They didn't care at the time," Parker said of the Patriots. "My guess is they assumed he wasn't going anywhere. I don't think they were overly concerned."

"Martin never wanted to play for the Jets. To him, they were a joke."

"In my mind, they were the worst team ever," he said. "I looked at the Jets as the bottom of the barrel."

It was a five-year, $28 million contract with a club option for a sixth year that would bring the total to $36 million, but what made it unusual was Martin's ability to void the deal after one year. It also included a clause that prohibited the team from using the franchise tag, meaning he could be unrestricted after one year.

It was too risky for the Patriots to match because they faced the prospect of losing him after a year (perhaps to the Jets) and receiving nothing -- no draft picks. The Jets leveraged that insecurity. It was a classic poison pill.



There is absolutely nothing in there that contradicts anything I said...... actually, your articles 100% reinforce my point. He was an RFA, the Jets offered him more money than NE did with a poison pill provision in there, he wanted to leave, so he left. I mean, it happens.

Do you think the Patriots are the first team to lose a star player to free agency? I'd say things worked out pretty well for us, and not so well for NY, so I am having a hard time why you're still angry about something almost 30 years later that worked out so much in our favor....
 
Wow. I must have really triggered you to get you to go to personal attacks as fast as you did...

Stop crying, little child. I know it is not your fault you're so stupid, but it isn't my fault either, so don't go gettin' all mad at me over it....
 
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