Bologna Bob confirmed cheap

[lancerman]

It boggles the mind that when presented with facts that show Krafty Bob is cheap, people on here will block the ears and and say NO HES NOT! NA NA NA NA NA!

Because there's absolutely zero evidence that Kraft was tying Bill's hand and telling him to make these contracts. For years and years people always talked about

1. Bill Has full roster control
2. Bill is savvy and always gets value deals and doesn't overspend
3. Bill let's go of players early and doesn't extend on big contracts.

Nobody said "oh it's Kraft being cheap" all those years we were winning with the same philosophy. All of a sudden it stops working and now magically Kraft just started flexing his muscle and it's really his fault for doing the same **** we've always done as a franchise.

 

[Dec54]

Of course, you say something dumb, and then run away and hide from the discussion. You lose again.

Some of you are so very childish.

 

[KCSVEN]

Last place is last place.
No owner was cheaper

Bill called out Robert's cheapness publicly.

Does every team get an outlier year or just Booster Seat Bob, the owner you defend with poorly constructed arguments.

The roster is what it is because of bare-bones budget decisions decided upon by Kraft and his spawn

That's like saying "My wife didn't cheat on me if you remove all the years she cheated on me............and she has a very expensive lawyer"

So you’d rather have the poorly run team owners spend to make up for being badly run or rather have 3 Super Bowl appearances?
You’d rather have teams with bad cap management spending more in cash?

BB was trying to change the narrative after being called out by Kraft for the terrible free agent splurge in 2021, your disingenuous if you think BB wasn’t controlling the money

Again they average 20th in the league, going year by year in the league during the period mentioned, so that’s way more useful than total spending with a large outlier. So there are 12 cheaper owners.
You just ignore the fact the Pats were first in the league in covid opt outs creating the outlier year.

What bare bones decisions made the poor draft picks?

The last point is just dumb, comparing it to Wife cheating, clearly shows you just decided Kraft is cheap and won’t analyze data from all angles before deciding.

It’s a dumb metric to use on its own to decide the owner is cheap.

 

[Ring 6]

Because there's absolutely zero evidence that Kraft was tying Bill's hand and telling him to make these contracts. For years and years people always talked about

1. Bill Has full roster control
2. Bill is savvy and always gets value deals and doesn't overspend
3. Bill let's go of players early and doesn't extend on big contracts.

Nobody said "oh it's Kraft being cheap" all those years we were winning with the same philosophy. All of a sudden it stops working and now magically Kraft just started flexing his muscle and it's really his fault for doing the same **** we've always done as a franchise.

So your argument is that belichick felt it was the best thing competitively to spend the least money in the league? By all means, defend the billionaire, he needs you on his side.

 

[Ring 6]

So you’d rather have the poorly run team owners spend to make up for being badly run or rather have 3 Super Bowl appearances?
You’d rather have teams with bad cap management spending more in cash?

BB was trying to change the narrative after being called out by Kraft for the terrible free agent splurge in 2021, your disingenuous if you think BB wasn’t controlling the money

Again they average 20th in the league, going year by year in the league during the period mentioned, so that’s way more useful than total spending with a large outlier. So there are 12 cheaper owners.
You just ignore the fact the Pats were first in the league in covid opt outs creating the outlier year.

What bare bones decisions made the poor draft picks?

The last point is just dumb, comparing it to Wife cheating, clearly shows you just decided Kraft is cheap and won’t analyze data from all angles before deciding.

It’s a dumb metric to use on its own to decide the owner is cheap.

I’d rather have spent more money, gotten better players, won more and not be sitting on this roster. We won those SBs IN SPITE OF Krafts budget constraints and are wallowing now, largely because of them.

They were not 20th. They were last. 20th is something made up in your mind that isn’t supported by any facts whatsoever.

The owner is cheap. He has spent the least money on football players over the 8 years studied. That’s a fact. I’m sure he spent a lot of money developing his shopping center next to the stadium. The cheap we are taking about is paying players. He also ranked at or near the bottom in player rankings of facilities, and treatment of players, another cheapness factor.

 

[KCSVEN]

I’d rather have spent more money, gotten better players, won more and not be sitting on this roster. We won those SBs IN SPITE OF Krafts budget constraints and are wallowing now, largely because of them.

They were not 20th. They were last. 20th is something made up in your mind that isn’t supported by any facts whatsoever.

The owner is cheap. He has spent the least money on football players over the 8 years studied. That’s a fact. I’m sure he spent a lot of money developing his shopping center next to the stadium. The cheap we are taking about is paying players. He also ranked at or near the bottom in player rankings of facilities, and treatment of players, another cheapness factor.

If you take the average place in the league for all those years they averaged 20th it’s not made up

They are building a huge building for players at a huge cost.

 

[Nikolai]

It doesn't stretch credibility to suggest that the budget was always tight, but that TFB and BB made it work. Now that they're not here, it's not working out so great, so maybe, if winning is the goal, the budget will have to loosen a bit to compensate for the lack of talent in the headshed and field?

I don't know. I'm a ******ed guy who got hit in the head a lot over the years.

 

[Boomer B]

None of us know what the directive was inside the building. But Kraft willing to pay Belichick the highest salary for a coach in all of sports doesn’t really make him out to be a miser.

 

[Ring 6]

If you take the average place in the league for all those years they averaged 20th it’s not made up

They are building a huge building for players at a huge cost.

That’s not how it works.
We are talking about the amount of money spent on players over those years. You don’t average by adding up takings and dividing by years. Thats a method you made up. Over those 8 years the patriots spent less on players than all other 31 teams. Twisting fake math to deny that is disingenuous.

Buildings building for players after making them the lowest paid players as a group in the league and getting destroyed in surveys about how you treat players isn’t exactly a feather in his cap.

But I guess someone has to be a billionaires fan boy.

 

[Ring 6]

None of us know what the directive was inside the building. But Kraft willing to pay Belichick the highest salary for a coach in all of sports doesn’t really make him out to be a miser.

You think they Kraft said sting whatever you want, your budget is unlimited and belichick said “thanks I choose to spend the least and make my job harder”? Illogic like that is required for you Billionaire fan boys.

 

[Ring 6]

It doesn't stretch credibility to suggest that the budget was always tight, but that TFB and BB made it work. Now that they're not here, it's not working out so great, so maybe, if winning is the goal, the budget will have to loosen a bit to compensate for the lack of talent in the headshed and field?

I don't know. I'm a ******ed guy who got hit in the head a lot over the years.

It’s silly to think anything else happened, but scary that the budget only got tighter as the struggle got bigger.

 

[KCSVEN]

That’s not how it works.
We are talking about the amount of money spent on players over those years. You don’t average by adding up takings and dividing by years. Thats a method you made up. Over those 8 years the patriots spent less on players than all other 31 teams. Twisting fake math to deny that is disingenuous.

Buildings building for players after making them the lowest paid players as a group in the league and getting destroyed in surveys about how you treat players isn’t exactly a feather in his cap.

But I guess someone has to be a billionaires fan boy.

You’re making absolutely no sense. Somehow you decided total cash spending during that period is the sole judge of whether an owner is cheap. You’ve just completely made that up as the only factor that determines that.
You completely ignore the fact that there is a huge outlier year with Covid that affected the Patriots more than any other team.

Your bias is strong, name calling is what happens when you can’t defend your argument

in order to compare him to other teams easiest way to do that just to compare where they placed every single year during that

 

[lancerman]

None of us know what the directive was inside the building. But Kraft willing to pay Belichick the highest salary for a coach in all of sports doesn’t really make him out to be a miser.

A lot of it just doesn't make sense. Back in the 2000's when the Pats were winning Super Bowls the Patriots were known throughout the league as a relatively cheap team that wouldn't pay premiums for players and watched a ton of talent walk and it was always viewed as smart by Pats fans because we were getting value. And that was typically attributed to Bill being a good GM who didn't over extend and break the cap.

The only difference between now and then is that we've sucked at adequately restocking our roster and finding players that were overlooked.

Like either Kraft was always behind that and you have to give him credit for all the years we won SB's doing that or Bill did it and he deserves both the credit for when it worked and the blame for when it stopped.

It's pretty obvious why Kraft only is used when people want someone to blame and Bill is only invoked when it's time to get credit. Nothing fundamentally changed on the spending. Just the results of refreshing the roster did.

And like you said, Bill was the highest paid coach, McDaniels was also one of the highest paid if not highest paid OC in the league.

 

[signbabybrady]

It doesn't stretch credibility to suggest that the budget was always tight, but that TFB and BB made it work. Now that they're not here, it's not working out so great, so maybe, if winning is the goal, the budget will have to loosen a bit to compensate for the lack of talent in the headshed and field?

I don't know. I'm a ******ed guy who got hit in the head a lot over the years.

You make some good points even that last one lol

 

[Boomer B]

You think they Kraft said sting whatever you want, your budget is unlimited and belichick said “thanks I choose to spend the least and make my job harder”? Illogic like that is required for you Billionaire fan boys.

what’s illogical is to think Kraft decided to be a cheapskate with the roster but to be lavish in his spending for his head coach. You’ve been ass hurt since Bill got fired, that’s pretty plain to see.

Let’s maybe look at why the Patriots are so low in spending.

1) anyone who has read on Bill’s philosophy is that no players (including QBs) can take up a huge portion of the cap. He always wanted a better middle of the roster.

While other teams in the last decade are paying $40m-$55m to their QBs, the Patriots have been paying no where that.

2) we have no high price talent. We have no superstar who is gonna command a huge contract.

So do you vastly overpay talent that doesn’t deserve it? Belichick’s a big reason why we have a lower payroll. He didn’t draft players worthy of getting big contracts. How many draft picks have seen a second contract here in the last 8 years?

Not having a high priced QB and high end talent = a low payroll

 

[Ring 6]

You’re making absolutely no sense. Somehow you decided total cash spending during that period is the sole judge of whether an owner is cheap. You’ve just completely made that up as the only factor that determines that.
You completely ignore the fact that there is a huge outlier year with Covid that affected the Patriots more than any other team.

Your bias is strong, name calling is what happens when you can’t defend your argument

in order to compare him to other teams easiest way to do that just to compare where they placed every single year during that

Well first of all I never said it was the only factor, , and in fact I listed others.

I am not igniting anything. COVID had little if anything to do with it. Thise contract tolled.

But do you understand cash spending vs cap?

Didn’t calll you a name at all.

You honestly think that the team that spent the least money over an 8 year period isn’t the right measure of who spent the least?
You think it’s better to average rankings? Did you consider that cash spending varies a lot from year to year, and if you apply that formula to every team 20th may be the lowest? The bottom 12 teams aren’t the same every year.
Averaging rankings doesn’t produce an ordered ranking system of 1 through 32. It can’t. For example a team ranked 32,32,32,32,32,32,32,16 would in your system ranked 30 which is ludicrous.

 

[Ring 6]

what’s illogical is to think Kraft decided to be a cheapskate with the roster but to be lavish in his spending for his head coach. You’ve been ass hurt since Bill got fired, that’s pretty plain to see.

Let’s maybe look at why the Patriots are so low in spending.

1) anyone who has read on Bill’s philosophy is that no players (including QBs) can take up a huge portion of the cap. He always wanted a better middle of the roster.

While other teams in the last decade are paying $40m-$55m to their QBs, the Patriots have been paying no where that.

2) we have no high price talent. We have no superstar who is gonna command a huge contract.

So do you vastly overpay talent that doesn’t deserve it? Belichick’s a big reason why we have a lower payroll. He didn’t draft players worthy of getting big contracts. How many draft picks have seen a second contract here in the last 8 years?

Not having a high priced QB and high end talent = a low payroll

He spent on his HC because he has no choice. Once BB won 3 SBs in his first 5 years, he had no choice.
But it’s a FACT he didn’t the least in players in those 8 years, and a larger sample would look very similar.
You are trying to argue against a fact by saying it can’t be because you don’t understand why.

As far as (1) Belichick was allowed to spend to the cap, but forced to do so with less cash in his budget than other teams. As far as (2) duh, that’s because we refuse to put out the cash required to get those players.

Teams with low cost QBs spend the money elsewhere.
That 8 year timeframe includes 4 that Brady was here. Includes Brady leaving, which very well could be a result of that cash budget limit. And it includes 3 Sb teams and 2 winners, so clearly we had good players.

The lack of cash spending goes back as long as Kraft has owned the team.

 

[Thelonious]

I have never thought the Krafts are cheap, but I do think Robert is "past it." The ridiculously unprofessional "hiring process" which has yielded absolute incompetence from HC to GM and up and down the coaching chart is ample evidence of this. Let's see what Johnathan can do.

 

[borg]

None of us know what the directive was inside the building. But Kraft willing to pay Belichick the highest salary for a coach in all of sports doesn’t really make him out to be a miser.

Let's not exclude BB's other job titles when examining his compensation.
HC
GM
DC
Emperor?

Knowing the team's budgets for all coaches, for the entire Football Operations as well, and then comparing this to other organizations would be more valuable.

 

[Ring 6]

A lot of it just doesn't make sense. Back in the 2000's when the Pats were winning Super Bowls the Patriots were known throughout the league as a relatively cheap team that wouldn't pay premiums for players and watched a ton of talent walk and it was always viewed as smart by Pats fans because we were getting value. And that was typically attributed to Bill being a good GM who didn't over extend and break the cap.

The only difference between now and then is that we've sucked at adequately restocking our roster and finding players that were overlooked.

Like either Kraft was always behind that and you have to give him credit for all the years we won SB's doing that or Bill did it and he deserves both the credit for when it worked and the blame for when it stopped.

It's pretty obvious why Kraft only is used when people want someone to blame and Bill is only invoked when it's time to get credit. Nothing fundamentally changed on the spending. Just the results of refreshing the roster did.

And like you said, Bill was the highest paid coach, McDaniels was also one of the highest paid if not highest paid OC in the league.

Your argument is that belichick overcame budget restraints for many years and that proves there weren’t budget constraints?

It’s very simple. Krafts pkayer payroll budget is very low, probably lowest in the league.
Despite that handicap, Belichick managed the cap and personnel decisions in a way that overcame it, certainly helped by having the GOAT.
As it became more difficult to overcome that handicap, the results started showing it.

Your obsession with trying to assign blame and credit has polluted your thinking. Your arguing is now “fans gave belichick credit” so that means more than facts.

And yes nothing fundamentally changed in spending, it’s been league low forever, which makes it even more amazing that belichick won as much as he did with one hand tied behind his back.