Thank you Mac Jones!

[Ray Ray 717]

Is Hunter a WR or a CB. He cannot be both. Or you making the argument for Tet MacMillan?

I'm making the argument for Tet. Tet is a 6'5 ballhawk who moves like a slot WR.

Where I stand with Hunter is he's an auto draft if he falls to us. He could have potential like Deion Sanders HOF level. Which you can't pass up. A talent like this can help us on both sides of the ball.

 

[KCSVEN]

Nice post but you lost me at drafting Campbell at # 3 overall. Drafting a guard at number 3 overall who isn't named John Hannah is idiocy at its finest. It's unfathomable. If you think T-Mac has bust potential, you trade down. Period. You don't draft some failing tackle/fat guard who struggled against South Carolina at 3 overall.

I said I would trade down if I could stay in top 10 and get no worse than a 2026 second. I think teams are not going to trade up and give you anything so I think we will have to pick at 3.

I was going with Cambell based on the assumption nobody wants to trade up and we had to pick at 3 or later and Hunter was gone.

If so and IF T-Mac doesn't separate, Banks is a project, Jeanty is the next "likely to succeed" guy, but I'm not taking a RB in the 1st I'm left with drafting who?

Then it comes down to Carter, Will Johnson and maybe a couple other defensive players vs Campbell.

I'd rather take a 90%+chance of a starting long-term guard over a 50% chance of good player at another position.

Overall, I'd rather lose out and go the Travis Hunter route.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Some people will never believe that Mac Jones is the worst QB drafted over the last several years.

He is beyond awful. Belichick was right to implore Kraft to move on, but Kraft is a fanboy of QBs; if he wasn't so old I imagine he would be perfect for the lead role of cheerleader in that movie about the girl who falls in love with the QB which will be playing on Freebee in 3 weeks, right after they finish filming.

Anyone who watched Mac yesterday got treated to a panicking QB who threw balls up for grabs and who drove balls into the ground from 5 yards away. He said that he has learned a ton from Pederson, an offensive coach, and yet he's playing worse than ever.

Thelonious sounds like the Browns fans who thought Belichick ruined Kosar, only to see Kosar get cut out of the league when Belichick was fired, while Testaverde became a top notch QB who even started a season 11-1 just 2 years later!

@upstater1

You're responsible for me watching a terrible game of football.

My conclusion is that "anyone who watched Mac yesterday" did not for one moment see a panicking QB.

He threw two interceptions, it's true. The first was on a 3rd-and-16. Yes, it was thrown towards a receiver who was in double coverage. But in those circumstances an interception on a deep ball isn't a disaster -- as good as a punt, some say. Likewise, the interception at the end of the half. His blitz protection had broken down and he was facing a sack that would have taken them out of field-goal range, so he tried to throw the ball away towards one of his receivers when he was already being grabbed. And it was intercepted with 5 seconds left on the clock. Big deal.

I don't know what you mean by "drove balls into the ground from 5 yards away". I only remember him missing a receiver low once. The receiver was about ten yards away and Mac was under pressure. If that's your worst throw, you're having a very good day.

Which he otherwise did.

I couldn't see on the TV if there were often men open downfield whom he missed, but I sincerely doubt it. His short passes were sharp and accurate despite pressure. And the Jacksonville running game was terrible so the Titans were able to put him under pressure.

So don't get it. You're an intelligent person who watches football closely. So why the Mac Jones hate? Is it to try to exonerate Belichick? Yet Mac Jones isn't close to being the worst quarterback drafted even by the Pats over the last several years. That would be Danny Etling ("Etling, you make my heart sing!") but Jared "Interception Machine" Stidham, Bailey "Happy Feet" Zappe, and Malik "Trainee Slot Receiver" Cunningham are also way below him.

My own take, for what it's worth, is that Jones was a very good pick who saved BB's bacon at a time when he had absolutely no succession plan for Brady (Cam Newton!) Josh McDaniels brought the best out of him, and then it all collapsed when McDaniels left and Belichick thought he could coach the offense through his sock-puppets Judge and Patricia. The Greatest Of All Time brought down by hubris! That's an old story.

Note, I'm not saying that Jones would have been better than Maye. He doesn't have Maye's athleticism or super-strong arm. But he can read the game well, make decisions and throw the ball accurately. Jacksonville are lucky to have him and the Patriots would have been much better starting him this season than Jacoby "Nice Guy, Shame about the Football" Brissett.

 

[upstater1]

@upstater1

You're responsible for me watching a terrible game of football.

My conclusion is that what "anyone who watched Mac yesterday" did not for one moment see a panicking QB.

He threw two interceptions, it's true. The first was on a 3rd-and-16. Yes, it was thrown towards a receiver who was in double coverage. But in those circumstances an interception on a deep ball isn't a disaster -- as good as a punt, some say. Likewise, the interception at the end of the half. His blitz protection had broken down and he was facing a sack that would have taken them out of field-goal range, so he tried to throw the ball away towards one of his receivers when he was already being grabbed. And it was intercepted with 5 seconds left on the clock. Big deal.

I don't know what you mean by "drove balls into the ground from 5 yards away". I only remember him missing a receiver low once. The receiver was about ten yards away and Mac was under pressure. If that's your worst throw, you're having a very good day.

Which he otherwise did.

I couldn't see on the TV if there were often men open downfield whom he missed, but I sincerely doubt it. His short passes were sharp and accurate despite pressure. And the Jacksonville running game was terrible so the Titans were able to put him under pressure.

So don't get it. You're an intelligent person who watches football closely. So why the Mac Jones hate? Is it to try to exonerate Belichick? Yet Mac Jones isn't close to being the worst quarterback drafted even by the Pats over the last several years. That would be Danny Etling ("Etling, you make my heart sing!") but Jared "Interception Machine" Stidham, Bailey "Happy Feet" Zappe, and Malik "Trainee Slot Receiver" Cunningham are also way below him.

My own take, for what it's worth, is that Jones was a very good pick who saved BB's bacon at a time when he had absolutely no succession plan for Brady (Cam Newton!) Josh McDaniels brought the best out of him, and then it all collapsed when McDaniels left and Belichick thought he could coach the offense through his sock-puppets Judge and Patricia. The Greatest Of All Time brought down by hubris! That's an old story.

Note, I'm not saying that Jones would have been better than Maye. He doesn't have Maye's athleticism or super-strong arm. But he can read the game well, make decisions and throw the ball accurately. Jacksonville are lucky to have him and the Patriots would have been much better starting him this season than Jacoby "Nice Guy, Shame about the Football" Brissett.

I seriously question you.

He drove the ball into the ground ON THE SAME SERIES.

It amazes me you wrote all that after seeing him panic back there and throw the ball into the ground when he had open WRs.

You seriously watched the whole game?

Mac saved Belichick's bacon?

I think we're done here. Go ahead and respond, I can't take you seriously

 

[vicspats]

This is the right approach. Jared Goff’s career appeared to be over, then he was sent to Detroit and Brad Holmes built a great offensive line in front of him, then added the weapons. Now Goff’s career is back on track, and the Lions are the best team in the NFC

Was not on board for drafting him. He is absolutely the right pick. He has done wonders out there playing with 3rd string high school kids. Build the wall !!!! ( I mean the o-line)..,,

 

[Mike the Brit]

I seriously question you.

He drove the ball into the ground ON THE SAME SERIES.

It amazes me you wrote all that after seeing him panic back there and throw the ball into the ground when he had open WRs.

You seriously watched the whole game?

Mac saved Belichick's bacon?

I think we're done here. Go ahead and respond, I can't take you seriously

Clip, please, and then we're done.

 

[vicspats]

Yep, and at all costs too, including that of Not "developing" our foolishly over-drafted OLmen by throwing them out there when there are/were better options available.

If they took two oline guys with their first two picks and they started from day one … would not complain. Get another two free agents … Andrew’s is done…. Then worry about filling in the spots. Guys will want to play with Maye.

 

[vicspats]

Is Hunter a WR or a CB. He cannot be both. Or you making the argument for Tet MacMillan?

Looks like a 50/50 crap shoot to me

 

[upstater1]

Clip, please, and then we're done.

How did you miss them?

The throws were back to back.

14:11 and 14.08. First 2 throws of the second half.

He started the game by panicking on his very first throw. Literally ducked his head and stopped looking downfield.

They rolled back the offense for him. Nothing but dumpoffs and screens. 1 downfield throw in the 1st half.

Only 1 in the second half. And then a long gainer on a broken play where Mac did well to find a WR all alone as Mac was scrambling near the sideline.

The 2 INTs were bad enough but you're severely limited as an offense when your QB can't attack the defense.

The only TD came on the drive with the broken play and then a non-stop series of runs.

I cant believe you think this is good

 

[Mike the Brit]

How did you miss them?

The throws were back to back.

14:11 and 14.08. First 2 throws of the second half.

He started the game by panicking on his very first throw. Literally ducked his head and stopped looking downfield.

They rolled back the offense for him. Nothing but dumpoffs and screens. 1 downfield throw in the 1st half.

Only 1 in the second half. And then a long gainer on a broken play where Mac did well to find a WR all alone as Mac was scrambling near the sideline.

The 2 INTs were bad enough but you're severely limited as an offense when your QB can't attack the defense.

The only TD came on the drive with the broken play and then a non-stop series of runs.

I cant believe you think this is good

Those two throws were indeed incomplete, but hardly terrible.

The first was thrown when the TE, Engram, was running away from the QB and, in turning, he rounded out to his right slightly, so the throw was about a foot too far behind him. The second was low but thrown in a rush: the rusher beating the right tackle already had a hand on Jones when Jones threw it.

Neither of those throws remotely qualifies as "drove balls into the ground from 5 yards away".

Go in peace.

 

[upstater1]

Those two throws were indeed incomplete, but hardly terrible.

The first was thrown when the TE, Engram, was running away from the QB and, in turning, he rounded out to his right slightly, so the throw was about a foot too far behind him. The second was low but thrown in a rush: the rusher beating the right tackle already had a hand on Jones when Jones threw it.

Neither of those throws remotely qualifies as "drove balls into the ground from 5 yards away".

Go in peace.

I think you are making incredible excuses for him. Competent QBs dont make either of those 2 throws, never mind back to back. Those throws were almost as bad as the interceptions.

 

[Foxypats]

Am I in the twilight zone? This fan base actually thanking Mac for something? Wonders will never cease !!!

 

[Toofy]

I'm against drafting Hunter unless they think he has elite WR potential and not drafting him as a CB who can play WR in certain situations. As a CB, he is a luxury pick where the Pats are a team with far too many needs to draft another CB in the top 3 when Gonzalez is shaping up to be potentially an elite CB in this league. Do the Pats need an elite CB covering the #2 WR of other teams when they have no franchise LT, a true #1 WR, or any semblance of a pass rush?

If they are in the top 3, I would recommend to trade back. I think there will be a lot of interest from teams to trade up to get Sanders, Ward, and Hunter. The Pats could trade down a couple slots and still get Campbell, Banks, or Tet and pick up a second rounder or another first. Or they could trade down five to ten slots and get multiple firsts and still get a solid player of need.

Unless they decide to make Hunter a full time WR who can play CB part time or want to trade Gonzalez, drafting Hunter in the top three would be idiotic. This team has far too many pressing needs to use a luxury pick in the top 3 picks of the draft. If they end up in the top 3, I am kinda hoping they do trade down even if it is a few spots.

I am okay with trading down as long as they end up with tet or Hunter.

Best case scenario raiders and giants win , we lose out and drop down to 3 and get an extra 2nd round pick . Package 2nd and 3rd twice to draft in mid 10s and get an extra 4th round pick . So technically 3 picks in top 20 and then a 4th round pick . And let's hope all 3 are bonafide studs and dynasty 3.0 restarts ...

 

[VJCPatriot]

Travis Hunter looks like a STUD.



He can either turn into our #1 WR or our #1 CB depending on what we need more. Sign me up!

 

[neuronet]

ffs OL we are not having this discussion again

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Too soon

Always

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I don’t think you can trade down for much in such a weak class and the # of interested teams will be low if at all I assume.

Based on watching CF so far I would say mason graham is the best possible outcome. Why? Because he can stuff the run really well and provide interior pass rush with his pass rush moves. If the pats tend to play more base defense like this year graham makes sense next to god and barmore.

Tet Mcmillan has separation issues which is why some analysts disagree with the mile evans comparison. I would not touch a wr who lacks separation skills because this should be the #1 criteria we are looking in for a WR.

Travis Hunter is not going to play two positions I think and if the pats view him as a cb I would not select him because Cb isn’t a big need, cb won’t help us if we can not stop a run and other qbs have plenty of time in the pocket.

Abdul Carter is interesting but I think not really top 5 worthy normal years. It sucks that we probably pick so early and no clear OT are considered top 5 talent

 

[PatsFan2]

Am I in the twilight zone? This fan base actually thanking Mac for something? Wonders will never cease !!!

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

It's pretty pathetic that the Patriots (and we as fans) have fallen this far. Screw the draft.

Sounds great but statistically better players are drafted in the earlier parts of each round. We greatly increase our chances of future success if we have better players (like Drake Maye). I want the greatest chance to be great again, so I embrace the path that most likely will get the Pats there. That path is high picks in the draft.

 

[bresna]

Mcmillan, Hunter, or best edge rusher available if neither of those two are there which is unlikely. Would also trade down 3-4 spots for an absolute haul.

None of the Tackles are top 10 talent. Can’t overdraft.

Disclaimer - I am not saying you are someone who will do this.

These kinds of posts crack me up because if this does happen, it's almost guaranteed that a player they miss by moving down in the crapshoot... I mean draft... will be a good player and then several posters here will point out this move as an example of their poor drafting ability.