If patriots lose out, Travis Hunter could be theirs

[dliverey44]

in my opinion this draft does not have an Alt, if it did I would be down for it in the top 5

 

[PatsFan2]

That’s why I said they should trade back into the first for Ersery or Simmons, however if it looks like those tackles have moved up significantly then you have to rethink that approach. Simmons has missed almost the entire season so it’s hard to see him going high first round. Sign a tackle in free agency, then draft him and let him work his way into the line up:

Josh Simmons will not be a First Rounder coming off that Knee injury. IF he checks out we should take a flier in the Second Round. We wouldn't have to rush him and we have the PUP option after TC.

 

[PatsFan2]

I was thinking the same thing. When you look him up, his viewed as a “CB”, but has 1,000 yards receiving. So what is he?

You're wrong on T Hunter he's just like what BB you to say: a Football Player.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Hmmmm.

If you win the line LOS, you'll win more matchups and more games than you lose. I get that everyone want the shiny fantasy toy, but they have one NFL level lineman, and they need a total of 5. It can be argued that Boutte, Douglas and Bourne are at least NFL capable. None are great, they are all WR3-4 at best. The OL, on the other hand, is Onwenu and a bunch of practice players. I am not saying that they should forgo the WR position in the off-season, but they absolutely suck at drafting for it, based on Polk and Baker being misses. Go get one FA this off season. Overpay for Higgins (I don't love his injury history) or Godwin (who's also coming off an injury), draft Banks at R1 3-5 and then BPA in R2 and 3.

I don't get why we want them to draft another WR when they have proven to eff it up every. single. time.

I don't get why we want them to draft another WR when they have proven to eff it up every. single. time.

When have the Patriots ever drafted a Wide Receiver in the first 10 picks of the 1st round and screwed it up?

Patriots Draft History: Wide Receivers within the first 10 picks overall of Round 1

1996: Terry Glenn- 7th overall
1984: Irving Fryar- 1st overall

Both Players went on to become multiple time pro bowlers.

The patriots have royally screwed up picking wide receivers in rounds 2-3. Not high in round 1.


It seems you are mis-understanding our current situation. We have a top 5 overall pick. The WR prospects we are targeting like King Tet are not another 2-3 round projected WR with holes in his game. King Tet is a genuine top 5 prospect who would be an immediate impact starter day 1. A huge man who can move like a slot WR and score anywhere from the field.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I’d say most players in the top ten have an overwhelming chance of being successful. That’s not how averages work.

This isn't the 80s. NFL has high flying passing offenses these days. Did you watch Jamar Chase last night? He's much more valuable than some above average lineman.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Given their track record in the draft I'd prefer they trade down in the draft and select a half dozen receivers in rounds 5-7 and hope they hit on one. I'm both serious and joking at the same time. I have no faith in their picking the groceries so by doing it this way you get 6 lottery tickets for a buck instead of one up top for ten. Realistically I know that will never happen. I haven't looked at FA yet but that's an option.

Given their track record in the draft I'd prefer they trade down in the draft and select a half dozen receivers in rounds 5-7 and hope they hit on one

So draft less athletic, less talented Wrs? Hope one of them turns out to be Sodapop Douglas? Doesn't seem like you are placing much investment into Drake Maye if you want to surround him with bottom of the barrel talent.

I have no faith in their picking the groceries so by doing it this way you get 6 lottery tickets for a buck instead of one up top for ten.

Isn't this what we stink at? Trading down and passing up on quality for quantity. It's what led us to where we are.

You get a chance at a freak athlete blue chip prospect in the top 5, you grab him!

The patriots have selected two receivers in the first round top 10 overall

1996 Terry Glenn- 7th Overall
1984 Irving Fryar- 1st Overall

Both made multiple pro bowls

 

[ViperGTS]

But the BPA is probably still Hunter. The only difference is that he is probably BPA as a corner, not a receiver. However, I think it's probably worth bringing him in and trying it out. Worst-case scenario is he becomes a very good corner opposite Gonzo and a decent part-time WR. Best case scenario is he becomes a WR1. Anything in the middle of those scenarios still pretty great.

I'd still sign Higgins also as a free agent and field Higgins + Hunter. If Hunter doesn't work out as a receiver then you at least have Higgins and you can chase a WR2 in future free agencies/drafts which will be easy to do, or perhaps Polk or Baker become that guy.

Edit to change it to WR1. Higgins is as much of a 1 as Aiyuk is.

 

[Wozzy]

I am going to make sure you are on suicide watch during FA and the Draft. When you see us bring in those WR's.

Elliot Wolf brought those players in this offseason and they mostly sucked.

If you’re a Patriot’s fan you shouldn’t be cheering for terrible team building.

 

[PatsFan2]

Elliot Wolf brought those players in this offseason and they mostly sucked.

If you’re a Patriot’s fan you shouldn’t be cheering for terrible team building.

I am cheering for a Potential #1 and #2 WR's we don't have those on our current roster.

 

[Steve102]

When have the Patriots ever drafted a Wide Receiver in the first 10 picks of the 1st round and screwed it up?

Patriots Draft History: Wide Receivers within the first 10 picks overall of Round 1

1996: Terry Glenn- 7th overall
1984: Irving Fryar- 1st overall

Both Players went on to become multiple time pro bowlers.

The patriots have royally screwed up picking wide receivers in rounds 2-3. Not high in round 1.


It seems you are mis-understanding our current situation. We have a top 5 overall pick. The WR prospects we are targeting like King Tet are not another 2-3 round projected WR with holes in his game. King Tet is a genuine top 5 prospect who would be an immediate impact starter day 1. A huge man who can move like a slot WR and score anywhere from the field.

I am not saying that he's not, I am saying that winning the LOS still matters. The current situation is dire at both positions, but one is easier to see on TV than the other. I am not going to be pissed at them if they draft a WR 3rd to 5th, nor will I be pissed if they take Banks. Both are positions of dire need, and both are the second and third most important position in football after QB. It's just a question which one makes the most impact. You have made your case that you think it's WR. I think it's LT. I think you may discount the value of a great OL. Make no mistake, I think both positions, but if I have to choose what to fix first, I am picking a LT to protect my 22 year old future of the franchise.

 

[Wozzy]

Maybe in 1985. Certainly not anymore. Do you watch the rest of the NFL or just the boring hapless patriots offense?


Oh yeah, says whom?


We also need to provide our young rookie QB with actual NFL talent at the skilled positions so he can score in the redzone.

So provide less athletic/less talented receivers for our young rookie QB? Scrape from the bottom of the barrel when it comes to skilled positional players? Kind of like we have done the last 5 years, which produced the worst offense in the NFL?

Hey AI, do WR’s have one of the highest failure rates in the NFL draft?

*“According to a 2024 NFL Draft preview, wide receivers have a relatively high failure rate compared to other positions.

*Specifically, it’s mentioned that “Running backs, cornerbacks, and wide receivers don’t fare too strongly” in terms of producing All-Pros or franchise players.

• *Another article from 2023 discusses the 2023 NFL Draft class and notes that “the 2023 NFL Draft class of receivers is a bit more butter-fingered than scouts would prefer… 12 receivers had a drop rate in the double-digits.”
• **A 2017 article analyzing the hit rate on positions in the NFL draft states that “quarterbacks will continually fare extremely poorly when it comes to All-Pro representation… Running backs, cornerbacks, and wide receivers don’t fare too strongly.”
• **A 2024 article ranking non-quarterbacks taken No. 1 overall in the NFL draft mentions that “wide receivers are becoming more and more valuable by the day and their market keeps getting driven up” but notes that “the hit rate on wide receivers isn’t spectacular in the first-round.”

So no… this take isn’t dated, you’re just obsessed with “weapons.”

 

[Rob0729]

When have the Patriots ever drafted a Wide Receiver in the first 10 picks of the 1st round and screwed it up?

Patriots Draft History: Wide Receivers within the first 10 picks overall of Round 1

1996: Terry Glenn- 7th overall
1984: Irving Fryar- 1st overall

Both Players went on to become multiple time pro bowlers.

The patriots have royally screwed up picking wide receivers in rounds 2-3. Not high in round 1.


It seems you are mis-understanding our current situation. We have a top 5 overall pick. The WR prospects we are targeting like King Tet are not another 2-3 round projected WR with holes in his game. King Tet is a genuine top 5 prospect who would be an immediate impact starter day 1. A huge man who can move like a slot WR and score anywhere from the field.

Fryar was a bust for the Patriots. He was an awesome punt returner, but a mediocre WR. He was a basket case until he moved onto the Dolphins and then Eagles and became a great player after he found God. One of his most memorable moments as a Patriot was missing the AFCCG in the 1985 season because his wife cut his finger with a knife in a domestic dispute.

Glenn was another basket case who shot his way off the team in 2001 with a drug suspension and then getting into fights with Belichick including leaving the stadium pregame and having one of the most bizarre TV interviews in NFL history which forced Belichick to suspend him for the rest of the year.

Not great examples of Patriots success.

 

[Wozzy]

I am cheering for a Potential #1 and #2 WR's we don't have those on our current roster.

How did Devante Adams and Randy Moss look on the Raiders?

Blocking first, everything after that… that’s literally how football works.

 

[Wozzy]

This isn't the 80s. NFL has high flying passing offenses these days. Did you watch Jamar Chase last night? He's much more valuable than some above average lineman.

Have you watched the Lions who took Penei Sewell? Have you watched the turnaround on the Chargers this season after taking Joe Alt?

Blocking never goes out of style.

 

[PatsFan2]

I am not saying that he's not, I am saying that winning the LOS still matters. The current situation is dire at both positions, but one is easier to see on TV than the other. I am not going to be pissed at them if they draft a WR 3rd to 5th, nor will I be pissed if they take Banks. Both are positions of dire need, and both are the second and third most important position in football after QB. It's just a question which one makes the most impact. You have made your case that you think it's WR. I think it's LT. I think you may discount the value of a great OL. Make no mistake, I think both positions, but if I have to choose what to fix first, I am picking a LT to protect my 22 year old future of the franchise.

Joe Burrow's been running for his life all season with Orlando Brown @ LT so even those High priced O-Linemen are not a given.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Fryar was a bust for the Patriots. He was an awesome punt returner, but a mediocre WR. He was a basket case until he moved onto the Dolphins and then Eagles and became a great player after he found God. One of his most memorable moments as a Patriot was missing the AFCCG in the 1985 season because his wife cut his finger with a knife in a domestic dispute.

Glenn was another basket case who shot his way off the team in 2001 with a drug suspension and then getting into fights with Belichick including leaving the stadium pregame and having one of the most bizarre TV interviews in NFL history which forced Belichick to suspend him for the rest of the year.

Not great examples of Patriots success.

You kidding me? Irving Fryar was stud who suffered from horrendous QB play. Drafting Tony Eason over Dan Marino is one of the all time biggest draft blunders. Fryar still had a 1,000 yard season with the patriots in 1991.. something Ja'Lynn Polk could only hope to do in his wildest dreams. Fryar finished his career with nearly 13,000 yards receiving. None of our current WR's could carry his jockstrap.

Terry Glenn had 1100 yards receiving as a rookie, made highlight reel catches regularly, and showed up in some big moments in the super bowl. He eclipsed 1,000 yards receiving in a season 4x. He had more talent in one finger than Soda Pop Douglas does in his entire body.

He misbehaved? Sorry that he wouldn't be an accepted into your boy scouts group or church leadership group. I thought his job was to get open and catch the ball, which he did emphatically.

 

[Steve102]

Joe Burrow's been running for his life all season with Orlando Brown @ LT so even those High priced O-Linemen are not given.

The Bungles have had a subpar OL for Burrow's career. If they had a decent one, he would have won the SB his rookie year.

EDIT: AAAAANNND... he's got all those shiny weapons to boot.

 

[PatsFan2]

The Bungles have had a subpar OL for Burrow's career. If they had a decent one, he would have won the SB his rookie year.

EDIT: AAAAANNND... he's got all those shiny weapons to boot.

 

[203Pat]

People just want a shiny new toy for Christmas instead of something they need. Yes, a receiver would be great, but what we need is a franchise LT, and most of those seem to end up going in the first round. There are plenty of receivers who become available every year, but elite tackles rarely become available.

 

[Steve102]

You kidding me? Irving Fryar was stud who suffered from horrendous QB play. Drafting Tony Eason over Dan Marino is one of the all time biggest draft blunders. Fryar still had a 1,000 yard season with the patriots in 1991.. something Ja'Lynn Polk could only hope to do in his wildest dreams. Fryar finished his career with nearly 13,000 yards receiving. None of our current WR's could carry his jockstrap.

Terry Glenn had 1100 yards receiving as a rookie, made highlight reel catches regularly, and showed up in some big moments in the super bowl. He eclipsed 1,000 yards receiving in a season 4x. He had more talent in one finger than Soda Pop Douglas does in his entire body.

He misbehaved? Sorry that he wouldn't be an accepted into your boy scouts group or church leadership group. I thought his job was to get open and catch the ball, which he did emphatically.

Terry Glenn didn't misbehave. He had issues that would ultimately be his undoing, unfortunately.