If patriots lose out, Travis Hunter could be theirs

[PatsFan2]

People just want a shiny new toy for Christmas instead of something they need. Yes, a receiver would be great, but what we need is a franchise LT, and most of those seem to end up going in the first round. There are plenty of receivers who become available every year, but elite tackles rarely become available.

A lot of those really Good WR's stay with their original Teams for Five years or more. WR have become a premium position Teams are not letting them go for free anymore. The Tag is always an option.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Wait for the combine and pro days, half informed opinions are often not good ones.

Fair point. I am by no means an expert in evaluating OL play but I have been listening to a lot draft-related pods over the past couple of weeks and every one of the hosts raved about Campbell’s tape this year, and feel that he has separated himself from the other OT prospects. There was a lot of confidence that he would be able to remain at tackle, even with his suboptimal arm length.

One of them made it good point that OT arm length may less important now than it had been in the past, because the trend has been towards relatively undersized, but quicker, edge rushers, so lateral quickness and athleticism is more important than ever, whereas arm length, within reason, seems to be less of a hindrance in terms of being able to remain at OT rather than to be converted to OG.

FWIW, they all also raved about Hunter’s improvement as a WR this year and about his potential to be a legit WR1 and the consensus was that he was the top player in terms of pure talent in the draft.

Because it is nearly impossible to find a young stud OT in free agency or even via trade, I still want them to take an OT with their first pick but only if their college scouts and OL coaches have strong convictions about his ability to be their LT for the next decade.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Terry Glenn didn't misbehave. He had issues that would ultimately be his undoing, unfortunately.

The point is, he was very talented. Drafted highly. He produced 4 1,000 yards receiving in his career. 2 in his first 3 seasons with the Patriots. Wouldn't you kill for that type of production from a patriots WR?

 

[Rob0729]

You kidding me? Irving Fryar was stud who suffered from horrendous QB play. Drafting Tony Eason over Dan Marino is one of the all time biggest draft blunders. Fryar still had a 1,000 yard season with the patriots in 1991.. something Ja'Lynn Polk could only hope to do in his wildest dreams. Fryar finished his career with nearly 13,000 yards receiving. None of our current WR's could carry his jockstrap.

Terry Glenn had 1100 yards receiving as a rookie, made highlight reel catches regularly, and showed up in some big moments in the super bowl. He eclipsed 1,000 yards receiving in a season 4x. He had more talent in one finger than Soda Pop Douglas does in his entire body.

He misbehaved? Sorry that he wouldn't be an accepted into your boy scouts group or church leadership group. I thought his job was to get open and catch the ball, which he did emphatically.

Stanley Morgan got nearly 1500 yards and 10 TDs in 1986. Fryar had half the yards and six TDs. Fryar is a near HOFer, but at best he was a disappointment as a Patriots WR.

Terry Glenn was a known head case coming out of college and he ended his career with the Patriots in epic meltdown mode.

And I am not comparing either guy to the Patriots' current roster. I am pointing out that they were not the homerun hits you seem to want to make them out to be.

 

[Patsgofor4]

You kidding me? Irving Fryar was stud who suffered from horrendous QB play. Drafting Tony Eason over Dan Marino is one of the all time biggest draft blunders. Fryar still had a 1,000 yard season with the patriots in 1991.. something Ja'Lynn Polk could only hope to do in his wildest dreams. Fryar finished his career with nearly 13,000 yards receiving. None of our current WR's could carry his jockstrap.

Terry Glenn had 1100 yards receiving as a rookie, made highlight reel catches regularly, and showed up in some big moments in the super bowl. He eclipsed 1,000 yards receiving in a season 4x. He had more talent in one finger than Soda Pop Douglas does in his entire body.

He misbehaved? Sorry that he wouldn't be an accepted into your boy scouts group or church leadership group. I thought his job was to get open and catch the ball, which he did emphatically.

Fryar was extremely talented, but his hands would often turn to stone during inopportune times in the fourth quarter. My father, a noted NFL conspiracy theorist, was convinced that he was intentionally throwing games for monetary benefit. As a young lad, I thought that was ridiculous, but given where he ended up, Dad may have been right.

He was also convinced that the officials would regularly tilt the game towards the Dolphins because Shula was the head of the competition committee at that time. He may have been right about that as well.

I can still hear him ranting about the injustice that was the 1976 AFC championship game.

 

[Steve102]

The point is, he was very talented. Drafted highly. He produced 4 1,000 yards receiving in his career. 2 in his first 3 seasons with the Patriots. Wouldn't you kill for that type of production from a patriots WR?

I expect a top of R1 pick to last longer than 4 years, regardless of position.

I don't think Terry Glenn is the poster child of how to draft WRs. If anything, he's a great example of, long term, that Bill Parcells might have been right, and perhaps Kraft should not have forced him to draft Glenn. Maybe. It all worked out in the end for the Pats, but there were red flags there from day 1.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Joe Burrow's been running for his life all season with Orlando Brown @ LT so even those High priced O-Linemen are not a given.

That’s Trent Brown, and he wasn’t high priced, like the OL the Patriots brought in he was journeyman, and like most journeymen he’s an average player at best. Wozzy is banging on Wolf for not bringing great OL in, but the truth is that there weren’t any to be had, which is why Robert Hunt, an adequate Guard, got 100$ million from the Giants to make no difference at all for them. If you overspend for mediocre players you won’t have any $$$ to spend for the really good ones, and you end up a ****ty team maxed to the cap, like both NY teams.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Fryar was extremely talented, but his hands would often turn to stone during inopportune times in the fourth quarter. My father, a noted NFL conspiracy theorist, was convinced that he was intentionally throwing games for monetary benefit. As a young lad, I thought that was ridiculous, but given where he ended up, Dad may have been right.

He was also convinced that the officials would regularly tilt the game towards the Dolphins because Shula was the head of the competition committee at that time. He may have been right about that as well.

I can still hear him ranting about the injustice that was the 1976 AFC championship game.

Irving does hold one spectacular feat to his credit though. He’s the only player in NFL history to get into a car accident during a game he was actively playing in. ( vs the Dolphins-year unknown)

 

[mgteich]

People just want a shiny new toy for Christmas instead of something they need. Yes, a receiver would be great, but what we need is a franchise LT, and most of those seem to end up going in the first round. There are plenty of receivers who become available every year, but elite tackles rarely become available.

I missed something. Where is the list of franchise LT's available in this draft?

 

[mgteich]

I expect a top of R1 pick to last longer than 4 years, regardless of position.

I don't think Terry Glenn is the poster child of how to draft WRs. If anything, he's a great example of, long term, that Bill Parcells might have been right, and perhaps Kraft should not have forced him to draft Glenn. Maybe. It all worked out int he end for the Pats, but there were red flags there from day 1.

Yes, we would hope to be able to pay $25M for a 5th year and $32M for a 6th,

 

[PatsFan2]

That’s Trent Brown, and he wasn’t high priced, like the OL the Patriots brought in he was journeyman, and like most journeymen he’s an average player at best. Wozzy is banging on Wolf for not bringing great OL in, but the truth is that there weren’t any to be had, which is why Robert Hunt, an adequate Guard, got 100$ million from the Giants to make no difference at all for them. If you overspend for mediocre players you won’t have any $$$ to spend for the really good ones, and you end up a ****ty team maxed to the cap, like both NY teams.

Ivan: they signed LT Orlando Brown FA 2023 from the Chiefs.

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[Huckleberry1]

I do agree with those saying OL has to be the priority this offseason, and it should be addressed in both free agency and the draft. They should do their best to sign either Bolles or Alaric Jackson. And although I started out wanting Bolles I think Jackson is the better move, as he’s only 26 and playing really well. If I were his agent, which I’m not, I wouldn’t sign an extension with the Rams, as he will be a hot commodity in free agency. If the Patriots sign him then left tackle has been addressed, and won’t be as big an issue. That frees them to go BPA at their first round pick. But I would still go tackle in the second, and move up for one if they won’t fall to them in the second. They will still need injury insurance, and the more good OL the better.

If they address the OL in free agency then WR becomes the next significant issue. I wouldn’t sign Tee Higgins to #1 WR money. He’s not a #1, and his career trajectory is going the wrong direction. You don’t give $30 million a year to a #2, and I’ll be seriously pissed if Wolf falls prey to fan demands and overspends out of desperation. If Travis Hunter is there when they pick then take him. He can be a shutdown corner who contributes at WR on 3rd downs, or a WR who can contribute on defense on 3rd downs. He’s an All Pro caliber prospect, and you don’t pass those up. If he’s not there then take MacMillan, and go OL with the second pick.

The other 2 things I would do are in free agency, and I would go after Nick Bolton to shore up the middle at LB, and Javon Holland, to pair with Duggars at safety.

Alaric Jackson, Nick Bolton, and Javon Holland would add 3 really good young players at positions of need, and Hunter/MacMillan and aOT with their second pick would make for a really productive offseason, and add a bunch of good young talent to their roster for 25’.

Ivan: they signed LT Orlando Brown FA 2023 from the Chiefs.

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My mistake, thanks.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Double post

 

[PatsFan2]

I do agree with those saying OL has to be the priority this offseason, and it should be addressed in both free agency and the draft. They should do their best to sign either Bolles or Alaric Jackson. And although I started out wanting Bolles I think Jackson is the better move, as he’s only 26 and playing really well. If I were his agent, which I’m not, I wouldn’t sign an extension with the Rams, as he will be a hot commodity in free agency. If the Patriots sign him then left tackle has been addressed, and won’t be as big an issue. That frees them to go BPA at their first round pick. But I would still go tackle in the second, and move up for one if they won’t fall to them in the second. They will still need injury insurance, and the more good OL the better.

If they address the OL in free agency then WR becomes the next significant issue. I wouldn’t sign Tee Higgins to #1 WR money. He’s not a #1, and his career trajectory is going the wrong direction. You don’t give $30 million a year to a #2, and I’ll be seriously pissed if Wolf falls prey to fan demands and overspends out of desperation. If Travis Hunter is there when they pick then take him. He can be a shutdown corner who contributes at WR on 3rd downs, or a WR who can contribute on defense on 3rd downs. He’s an All Pro caliber prospect, and you don’t pass those up. If he’s not there then take MacMillan, and go OL with the second pick.

The other 2 things I would do are in free agency, and I would go after Nick Bolton to shore up the middle at LB, and Javon Holland, to pair with Duggars at safety.

Alaric Jackson, Nick Bolton, and Javon Holland would add 3 really good young players at positions of need, and Hunter/MacMillan and aOT with their second pick would make for a really productive offseason, and add a bunch of good young talent to their roster for 25’.


My mistake, thanks.

Wolf went after Ridley and inquired of Aiyuk. I think he goes after the Younger Tee Higgins: who's a #2 that would elevate our stiffs. A Very Good #2 with other pieces can work. Higgins is a Boundary WR: we have no plays along the outsides that's why we are so easy to defend. I'm not against Slot WR Chris Godwin who would be an Instant upgrade here. Wolf will have choices.

 

[PatsFan2]

I do agree with those saying OL has to be the priority this offseason, and it should be addressed in both free agency and the draft. They should do their best to sign either Bolles or Alaric Jackson. And although I started out wanting Bolles I think Jackson is the better move, as he’s only 26 and playing really well. If I were his agent, which I’m not, I wouldn’t sign an extension with the Rams, as he will be a hot commodity in free agency. If the Patriots sign him then left tackle has been addressed, and won’t be as big an issue. That frees them to go BPA at their first round pick. But I would still go tackle in the second, and move up for one if they won’t fall to them in the second. They will still need injury insurance, and the more good OL the better.

If they address the OL in free agency then WR becomes the next significant issue. I wouldn’t sign Tee Higgins to #1 WR money. He’s not a #1, and his career trajectory is going the wrong direction. You don’t give $30 million a year to a #2, and I’ll be seriously pissed if Wolf falls prey to fan demands and overspends out of desperation. If Travis Hunter is there when they pick then take him. He can be a shutdown corner who contributes at WR on 3rd downs, or a WR who can contribute on defense on 3rd downs. He’s an All Pro caliber prospect, and you don’t pass those up. If he’s not there then take MacMillan, and go OL with the second pick.

The other 2 things I would do are in free agency, and I would go after Nick Bolton to shore up the middle at LB, and Javon Holland, to pair with Duggars at safety.

Alaric Jackson, Nick Bolton, and Javon Holland would add 3 really good young players at positions of need, and Hunter/MacMillan and aOT with their second pick would make for a really productive offseason, and add a bunch of good young talent to their roster for 25’.

You don't think the Rams Franchise him??

 

[Dec54]

People just want a shiny new toy for Christmas instead of something they need. Yes, a receiver would be great, but what we need is a franchise LT, and most of those seem to end up going in the first round. There are plenty of receivers who become available every year, but elite tackles rarely become available.

But the consensus seems to be that there are no "elite tackles" in the 2025 draft.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I do agree with those saying OL has to be the priority this offseason, and it should be addressed in both free agency and the draft. They should do their best to sign either Bolles or Alaric Jackson. And although I started out wanting Bolles I think Jackson is the better move, as he’s only 26 and playing really well. If I were his agent, which I’m not, I wouldn’t sign an extension with the Rams, as he will be a hot commodity in free agency. If the Patriots sign him then left tackle has been addressed, and won’t be as big an issue. That frees them to go BPA at their first round pick. But I would still go tackle in the second, and move up for one if they won’t fall to them in the second. They will still need injury insurance, and the more good OL the better.

If they address the OL in free agency then WR becomes the next significant issue. I wouldn’t sign Tee Higgins to #1 WR money. He’s not a #1, and his career trajectory is going the wrong direction. You don’t give $30 million a year to a #2, and I’ll be seriously pissed if Wolf falls prey to fan demands and overspends out of desperation. If Travis Hunter is there when they pick then take him. He can be a shutdown corner who contributes at WR on 3rd downs, or a WR who can contribute on defense on 3rd downs. He’s an All Pro caliber prospect, and you don’t pass those up. If he’s not there then take MacMillan, and go OL with the second pick.

The other 2 things I would do are in free agency, and I would go after Nick Bolton to shore up the middle at LB, and Javon Holland, to pair with Duggars at safety.

Alaric Jackson, Nick Bolton, and Javon Holland would add 3 really good young players at positions of need, and Hunter/MacMillan and aOT with their second pick would make for a really productive offseason, and add a bunch of good young talent to their roster for 25’.


My mistake, thanks.

Nice post, you get it.

 

[PatsFan2]

The point is, he was very talented. Drafted highly. He produced 4 1,000 yards receiving in his career. 2 in his first 3 seasons with the Patriots. Wouldn't you kill for that type of production from a patriots WR?

I would.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

But the consensus seems to be that there are no "elite tackles" in the 2025 draft.

There aren't. And those vociferously screaming "Draft Lineman in round 1" are not in tune with the draft.

 

[Ross12]

Edit to change it to WR1. Higgins is as much of a 1 as Aiyuk is.

A low-end 1, to be sure, but still a 1. You can build a competent corps around him. But he is better as a "1B" to a game breaking "1A" like he is with Chase now.

You might even be able to replicate that in 2025 if you draft Hunter as your Chase to pair with Higgins. You'd have similar firepower to Cincinnati, and a similarly poor OL, with a key difference being that Maye is a lot more mobile and escapable than Burrow.