If patriots lose out, Travis Hunter could be theirs

[PWRxWLF]

If Wolf does what all the Al Davis's want, and picks Hunter around #3, I'll boycott the team.

Please tell me this personnel staff has learned something this year - we need an overhaul in the trenches!
A top ranked OL will make average WR's & RB's look great. A top ranked DL wins games.

Don't waste a top draft pick on a WR or CB. Trade it for 2 1st round talents - and get a LT and a DE.

Who is trading for the #3 pick that will give you 2 1st rounders? I dont even think anyone has 2 first rounders this year. This draft sucks with talent depth. Very few blue chippers and the top tackles are by many projected to be guards.

 

[gobesmug]

If Wolf does what all the Al Davis's want, and picks Hunter around #3, I'll boycott the team.

Please tell me this personnel staff has learned something this year - we need an overhaul in the trenches!
A top ranked OL will make average WR's & RB's look great. A top ranked DL wins games.

Don't waste a top draft pick on a WR or CB. Trade it for 2 1st round talents - and get a LT and a DE.

Forcing the draft based on need vs talent is a sure fire way to fail.

Look at this past draft, the Pats wanted WR with their second pick regardless of talent and we got stuck with Polk vs looking at where the best talent was.

You don't need an elite oline to win championships, you need elite talent.

The only HOF oline player the Pats had during the Brady era was when they had Mankins. They won zero superbowls.

Depending on where they actually draft, if the BPA if a LT then by all means take the LT, but if it is a CB, DE, or WR then take that player.

 

[gobesmug]

But the BPA is probably still Hunter. The only difference is that he is probably BPA as a corner, not a receiver. However, I think it's probably worth bringing him in and trying it out. Worst-case scenario is he becomes a very good corner opposite Gonzo and a decent part-time WR. Best case scenario is he becomes a WR1. Anything in the middle of those scenarios still pretty great.

I'd still sign Higgins also as a free agent and field Higgins + Hunter. If Hunter doesn't work out as a receiver then you at least have Higgins and you can chase a WR2 in future free agencies/drafts which will be easy to do, or perhaps Polk or Baker become that guy.

I'm not familiar with Hunter's game but i think another shutdown CB to pair with Gonzalez would make the difference a championship caliber defense and that's definitely worth their #1 pick

 

[lancerman]

Forcing the draft based on need vs talent is a sure fire way to fail.

Look at this past draft, the Pats wanted WR with their second pick regardless of talent and we got stuck with Polk vs looking at where the best talent was.

You don't need an elite oline to win championships, you need elite talent.

The only HOF oline player the Pats had during the Brady era was when they had Mankins. They won zero superbowls.

Depending on where they actually draft, if the BPA if a LT then by all means take the LT, but if it is a CB, DE, or WR then take that player.

No we got stuck with Polk because we traded down when we could have had Ladd

 

[Rob0729]

If Hunter has shutdown CB talent you take him. Imagine having 2 shutdown CBs and what impact that would have on the defense.

I think it would be a waste. If you don't have a pass rush, receivers are going to get open. And do you need a shutdown CB to cover most of the #2 WRs in this league?

The Pats have far too many needs in key positions to use a top 5 pick on CB when you already have what may be one of the top 2-3 CBs in the league in a year or two. The Pats need an edge rusher on defense the most. They need an #1 WR and LT on the other side.

Another shutdown CB is a luxury pick that the Pats cannot afford to make. There have been many teams who have been in the position to draft a CB with lockdown potential high when they have one already on the roster and it never actually happens. It is because you do not need a shutdown CB going up against #2s and #3s consistently.

 

[MrTibbs]

If Wolf does what all the Al Davis's want, and picks Hunter around #3, I'll boycott the team.

Please tell me this personnel staff has learned something this year - we need an overhaul in the trenches!
A top ranked OL will make average WR's & RB's look great. A top ranked DL wins games.

Don't waste a top draft pick on a WR or CB. Trade it for 2 1st round talents - and get a LT and a DE.

No need to take a pass rusher high in this draft. One, there isn't an elite prospect. Two, this draft is considered SUPER deep for "good" pass rushers.

 

[Rob0729]

I'm not familiar with Hunter's game but i think another shutdown CB to pair with Gonzalez would make the difference a championship caliber defense and that's definitely worth their #1 pick

When was the last time a team with two shutdown CBs won a Super Bowl? The last one I can think of is probably Aquib Talib and Chris Harris. And Harris was an elite #2 CB, not necessarily an elite shutdown CB.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The only HOF oline player the Pats had during the Brady era was when they had Mankins. They won zero superbowls.

Mankins isn’t in the HOF. And the Pats O-lines were never known to be elite anyways.

 

[Rob0729]

If the Pats draft third and Hunter is available, I think they will be in position to get great value in a trade. Hunter is an unique talent and I think many GMs are going to fall in love with his versatility as much as people on this board. So there could be a lot of interest in a trade. Not as much as a QB, but far more than a typical player available with the third pick would get.

I think the Pats need to jump on a trade in this case. They have their QB. They don't have much else beyond that. The only place they have elite talent is at CB. Even if it is trading down two spots and picking up a high second rounder, it may be more beneficial to the Pats because then they can still get the best talent at a position at need at #5 and even trade back into the first round without giving up their own second round.

The Pats need talent virtually everywhere. The one place they don't need talent is at the #1 CB spot. This team would be better served getting 2-3 guys who can be impactful starters and even Pro Bowlers than getting one All Pro in a position where they already have an All Pro who is locked in under a rookie deal for two more years and has a fifth year option.

 

[mike_usagisan]

But the BPA is probably still Hunter. The only difference is that he is probably BPA as a corner, not a receiver. However, I think it's probably worth bringing him in and trying it out. Worst-case scenario is he becomes a very good corner opposite Gonzo and a decent part-time WR. Best case scenario is he becomes a WR1. Anything in the middle of those scenarios still pretty great.

I'd still sign Higgins also as a free agent and field Higgins + Hunter. If Hunter doesn't work out as a receiver then you at least have Higgins and you can chase a WR2 in future free agencies/drafts which will be easy to do, or perhaps Polk or Baker become that guy.

I can’t imagine a CB/WR two-way player working out in the modern NFL. So it begs the question, is he the best CB in the draft? Or the best WR? If neither, I wouldn’t pick him.

 

[PWRxWLF]

When was the last time a team with two shutdown CBs won a Super Bowl? The last one I can think of is probably Aquib Talib and Chris Harris. And Harris was an elite #2 CB, not necessarily an elite shutdown CB.

I think the closest would be Sneed and McDuffie. Not many teams have the luxury of being stacked at CB.

 

[Ross12]

I can’t imagine a CB/WR two-way player working out in the modern NFL. So it begs the question, is he the best CB in the draft? Or the best WR? If neither, I wouldn’t pick him.

Yeah, I don't think you can be a full-time two-way player. But you can certainly be full-time at one position and also sprinkle in the other position. He could end up being a WR1 who gets a few snaps at corner in certain packages, or he could be a CB1 who plays WR 10-15% of the time for a certain role, a la Marcus Jones.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

The McMillian kid looks like an absolute beast, and Hunter might come in and be top five athletes in the league with potential to the moon

But you still haven’t addressed either of the lines

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

I think the closest would be Sneed and McDuffie. Not many teams have the luxury of being stacked at CB.

There’s also not a lot of legit shutdown CBs so to have two on one team would be absolutely sick.

 

[gobesmug]

When was the last time a team with two shutdown CBs won a Super Bowl? The last one I can think of is probably Aquib Talib and Chris Harris. And Harris was an elite #2 CB, not necessarily an elite shutdown CB.

When is the last time you saw a Defense with 2 shutdown CBs at all? You think Belichick wouldn't have loved having 2 shutdown CBs?

Also a lot of teams #2 WRs are still pretty elite. Talented WRs are becoming a lot more common than elite CBs.

There are rarely more than 5 shutdown CBs in the league in a given year.

You saying you would rather have an Andre Carter or Roddy White than a Darrelle Revis just because you want to fill need?

A Revis might be a luxury but if that is the only talent that looks worthy of a top 5 pick take him.

 

[varjao]

What's the hidden cost of Maye going 1-10 or something like that?

Very difficult to win some of those games but the Cardinals are inconsistent and the Bills defense allowed 40+ points yesterday, weird things have happened.

I don't like Maye going into his 2nd year with such a terrible record even though it's not his fault although there was game losing picks against the Titans and Rams.

Great QBs turn terrible teams around fast. I know those terrible teams from past cases are probably not that bad like our current Patriots but still.

If they could pull a miracle and finish the season strong I don't mind at all going out of the top 10 in the draft.

 

[gobesmug]

Mankins isn’t in the HOF. And the Pats O-lines were never known to be elite anyways.

No he isn’t but he was the closest thing to a HOF caliber player on the oline.

But yes I agree with you. The pats won 6 superbowls with ave oline play.

Dallas won 0 with elite oline play for years.

Chiefs have won multiple superbowls with terrible play at both OT positions

 

[gobesmug]

What's the hidden cost of Maye going 1-10 or something like that?

Very difficult to win some of those games but the Cardinals are inconsistent and the Bills defense allowed 40+ points yesterday, weird things have happened.

I don't like Maye going into his 2nd year with such a terrible record even though it's not his fault although there was game losing picks against the Titans and Rams.

Great QB turn terrible teams around fast. I know those terrible teams from past cases are probably not that bad like our current Patriots but still.

If they could pull a miracle and finish the season strong I don't mind at all going out of the top 10 in the draft.

Could be the coaching is that bad. You still need a good HC regardless of how good your QB is.

Look at Manning before he got Dungy. Or Brady when he got Todd Bowles

 

[ahmed]

Good LTs never make it to free agency. If lucky, we get a good RT in FA. We cannot go into next year without a new LT and RT.

We are much more likely to find good WRs and D players in FA. Priority in first 2 rounds should be OL.

 

[203Pat]

Tackle. If they take any other position first then Wolf should be canned on the spot.