Thank you Mac Jones!

[Rob0729]

Hell No! Travis Hunter is not for sale.

So when Maye starts to become injury prone because of all the hits gets from his blind side because we have Vederarian Lowe protecting it, we can relish in the fact that the Pats have Gonzalez to cover Allan Lazard exclusively while Hunter covers Garrett Wilson when they play the Jets.

Again, the Pats are not a team that afford to select a luxury pick in the top 3. CB is not a position of need that high. They need a #2 CB maybe. And Hunter is not going to be a fulltime two way player in the NFL. Not going to happen. If he isn't going to play WR first, then he is a wasted pick.

 

[Rob0729]

Mac will be selling insurance at seasons end Rob: he's not even a good back up at this point.

No he won't. He will be in the league for several more years at least. Look at the QBs in the league. Any QB with several seasons of starting experience stick around the league for a long time no matter how good they are.

But I am done arguing Mac Jones. He is gone. I don't care enough about him anymore.

 

[PatsFan2]

So when Maye starts to become injury prone because of all the hits gets from his blind side because we have Vederarian Lowe protecting it, we can relish in the fact that the Pats have Gonzalez to cover Allan Lazard exclusively while Hunter covers Garrett Wilson when they play the Jets.

Again, the Pats are not a team that afford to select a luxury pick in the top 3. CB is not a position of need that high. They need a #2 CB maybe. And Hunter is not going to be a fulltime two way player in the NFL. Not going to happen. If he isn't going to play WR first, then he is a wasted pick.

IF I say Travis will be a Two way player when we Draft him... guess what Rob?? He'll be a two way player.

 

[KCSVEN]

If Hunter is the best player in the draft and he falls to the Pats, the Pats will get a lot of potential trade partners driving up the compensation for him. For a team like the Pats, multiple high draft picks is more important than a player like Hunter unless they think he will be an elite full time WR.

I'd only listen if you drop no further than 8 and pick up a 2026 1st from a team that might be top 10. I don't think you get that from any team unless they are trading up for a QB. Getting more picks in 2025 and passing up a better player to move down I'm not interested in, the 2025 draft is too weak.

When's the last time there was any real big trade up for a non-QB? Ricky Williams?

IMO they won't get multiple high picks for Travis Hunter, he's #1 in this draft but probably #5 in the 2024 draft

 

[PatsFan2]

No he won't. He will be in the league for several more years at least. Look at the QBs in the league. Any QB with several seasons of starting experience stick around the league for a long time no matter how good they are.

But I am done arguing Mac Jones. He is gone. I don't care enough about him anymore.

Ok if you call being on a Teams Taxi squad still being in the League. Correction Mac Jones won't be on a Teams active Roster in 2025. Joe Milton right now is better than Mac.

 

[Rob0729]

IF I say Travis will be a Two way player when we Draft him... guess what Rob?? He'll be a two way player.

And you will be wrong. No player can survive playing two ways in a 17 game (and potentially 18 games in the next few years) schedule. That is nearly double the number of games of college. It ain't happening. With playoffs, it could be as much as 20-21 games in a season (22 in an 18 game season).

 

[PatsFan2]

And you will be wrong. No player can survive playing two ways in a 17 game (and potentially 18 games in the next few years) schedule. That is nearly double the number of games of college. It ain't happening. With playoffs, it could be as much as 20-21 games in a season (22 in an 18 game season).

T Hunter will be used in certain game situations: if the situation calls for it. You really haven't watched him play the Kid is GREAT!

 

[Rob0729]

I'd only listen if you drop no further than 8 and pick up a 2026 1st from a team that might be top 10. I don't think you get that from any team unless they are trading up for a QB. Getting more picks in 2025 and passing up a better player to move down I'm not interested in, the 2025 draft is too weak.

When's the last time there was any real big trade up for a non-QB? Ricky Williams?

IMO they won't get multiple high picks for Travis Hunter, he's #1 in this draft but probably #5 in the 2024 draft

If say Tet is an elite WR in the making or Campbell is an elite OT and they can trade down a few slots to get him and only get another high second round pick for it, I say make the trade.

You aren't going to get a blockbuster trade like a QB, but Hunter is unique enough that a team in a need for CB might give up more than normal.

 

[PatsFan2]

If say Tet is an elite WR in the making or Campbell is an elite OT and they can trade down a few slots to get him and only get another high second round pick for it, I say make the trade.

You aren't going to get a blockbuster trade like a QB, but Hunter is unique enough that a team in a need for CB might give up more than normal.

Let me reiterate Travis Hunter is a Elite WR and CB the sky's the limit.

 

[Rob0729]

T Hunter will be used in certain game situations: if the situation calls for it. You really haven't watched him play the Kid is GREAT!

It doesn't matter how good he is. The Pats cannot be drafting another CB in the top three picks when they are devoid of talent all over the roster and their main priority is to build an offense around their potential franchise QB.

If they draft Hunter, they should trade Gonzalez. Even if the Pats are very active in free agency, they have too many holes to have two potentially elite CBs drafted in the first round two years apart.

 

[Rob0729]

Let me reiterate Travis Hunter is a Elite WR and CB the sky's the limit.

And if they draft him as a WR who can play CB in certain situations, then fine. If they draft him as a CB (where most experts expect him to be drafted) who can play 10-15 snaps on offense a game, then he is a wasted pick.

 

[PatsFan2]

It doesn't matter how good he is. The Pats cannot be drafting another CB in the top three picks when they are devoid of talent all over the roster and their main priority is to build an offense around their potential franchise QB.

If they draft Hunter, they should trade Gonzalez. Even if the Pats are very active in free agency, they have too many holes to have two potentially elite CBs drafted in the first round two years apart.

Remember we are getting either Tee Higgin or Chris Godwin in FA. Add Travis Hunter via the Draft: very Talented O and No fly zone D.

 

[Rob0729]

Remember we are getting either Tee Higgin or Chris Godwin in FA. Add Travis Hunter via the Draft: very Talented O and No fly zone D.

Either Higgins or Godwin can and have been #2 WRs. Having two #1 WRs is not wasted in today's NFL. There are about a half dozen teams or so that have two #1 caliber WRs. And the Pats didn't use two first round picks to get both WRs.

Having two elite CBs is a waste. There aren't enough teams with an #1 caliber WR as their # 2 WR to justify it. Many teams have JAGs as #2.

 

[upstater1]

I am not overrating him. He is a QB who needs to be in a system that is near perfect. I don't know what his ceiling would have been. As I said it is still probably very low. But his time with the Patriots clearly broke him like Tony Eason's time with the Patriots broke him. Mac is now far more skiddish than he used to be.

But you wildly underrate him if you think he is worst pick in several years when you have Trey Lance drafted the same year and higher.

I still think you're overrating him by a lot. I would name 3rd stringers and almost ALL 2nd stringers before him.

He was always skittish. You saw this in his first year. The broken ankle game happened pretty early in his 2nd season.

He really is afraid and always ducked his head down at the first sign of a pass rush, not to mention that his weak throwing arm naturally meant he could never be a starter in the NFL.

 

[goheels22002]

It's pretty pathetic that the Patriots (and we as fans) have fallen this far. Screw the draft.

Hey, man, this is where they are - and it's not bad at all. Four selections in the top 80 and more cap space than any team in the NFL this off-season. Look, if you are enjoying the 2023 - 2024 Boston Celtics, you have to appreciate the way they were able to draft Tatum and Brown, and built a team around them.

The Patriots are in a division with two underperforming teams and a Bills team that all have cap problems in 2025. They can take a big leap in the AFC East. This ain't the NFC North. The Patriots did not get desperate in 2023 or 2024 like your least favorite team did with Aaron Rodgers and some other high-priced free agents

The opportunity to fill the gaps on both sides of the line are abundant. Eliot Wolf comes in with a solid history of building teams and his first move was to get Drake Maye and clear out some cap space. They spent a little bit of money of some vets who we agreed had multiple years of football ahead. 2025 is an opportunity to take a few big swings and load up on rookies who can have time to develop.

 

[The Gr8est]

It doesn't matter how good he is. The Pats cannot be drafting another CB in the top three picks when they are devoid of talent all over the roster and their main priority is to build an offense around their potential franchise QB.

If they draft Hunter, they should trade Gonzalez. Even if the Pats are very active in free agency, they have too many holes to have two potentially elite CBs drafted in the first round two years apart.

A player who can excel, regardless of the position, is a better pick than a lesser player.

 

[Rob0729]

A player who can excel, regardless of the position, is a better pick than a lesser player.

There are several potentially elite players at positions at need below Hunter. If say Tet becomes an elite WR, he is more valuable to the Patriots than Hunter if Hunter is a full time CB and a better CB than Tet is a WR. The Pats may already have an elite CB on the roster.

If Hunter is drafted as CB and plays that position fulltime, we don't even know if he is going to be better than Gonzalez even if he does become an elite CB. So there is a chance Hunter would become CB #2 on the Pats if drafted. Then he is not better than a lot of players below him even if they are not as good.

Again, if the Pats draft him and intend to use him as a fulltime WR and part time CB, then this argument is moot. But most think he is more of a CB than WR at the NFL level.

 

[PatsFan2]

Either Higgins or Godwin can and have been #2 WRs. Having two #1 WRs is not wasted in today's NFL. There are about a half dozen teams or so that have two #1 caliber WRs. And the Pats didn't use two first round picks to get both WRs.

Having two elite CBs is a waste. There aren't enough teams with an #1 caliber WR as their # 2 WR to justify it. Many teams have JAGs as #2.

T Hunter will be a WR First for us Rob.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

len bias?

Ouch, I actually cried on that Monday, when the news came out.

 

[patfanken]

Yeah I agree with all of that.

It is weird though that a lot of Bill apologists keep beating this drum that Mac Jones is like the worst pick ever like it's a flex or something lol. If Mac Jones always sucked that's on the GM and only the GM for picking him no matter the circumstances. Period.

I wanted a trade up for Parsons, but I was fine with the pick when it was made. I wasn't fine with how he was developed

SO many people trying to rewrite history to suit their own narratives. The fact was the vast majority of people at the time were VERY happy when the pick was made. He seemed like a perfect prospect. He was a proven winner in college, he had a great demeanor and leadership skills, he seemed like he was psychotically competitive and while he wasn't the most physically gifted QB in the draft. he had proven he was one of the most EFFECTIVE.

THEN he went out and had the best rookie year of ANY of the 4 QB's taken higher. There was NO ONE on this board that complained about that first season or wasn't expecting it only to get better as he got more reps. But assigning blame to the regression we saw the next 2 years is at this point a useless exercise. How much was Mac's fault, how much was coaching decisions, or the talent around him is at THIS point moot. By the end of 2023 Mac had to go. And based on the his last couple of starts for the Jags, whatever broke in Mac here remains broken.

Bottom line, I'm just trying to remind people that at the end of the 2021 season MOST pundits and fans were thinking that Mac was the steal of the QB class.