Eric Bienemy Available

[Ring 6]

Ummm we were about Bienemy, so we are just changing **** now when we want. You are telling me that you have not watched Maye and the offense improve as the season has progressed? My friend you don't seem to understand ball then.

You said you’d rather stay with the guy you know.


Maye playing improved the offense. The other 10 and the coaching haven’t changed much.
Maye has gained experience but he isn’t very different than his first game.
There hasn’t been marked improvement of the offense from Mayes first game to his last. Van Pelt is not doing a good job

 

[Kdo5]

He's part of the reason. He's gets super conservative in the red zone and at the ends of halfs and games.

Whose to say that isn’t part of Mayo’s directive to be conservative at the end of the half or games?

 

[Sect140]

What has the issue been with EB play calling with Washington and UCLA that has caused him to be fired after one season with these two teams.

 

[maust]

So Andy Reid's offense became markedly better in 2018 because Eric Bienemy became his OC?
And here so many of us thought it was Kermit becoming the starter in KC that kicked things into high gear, silly us

 

[maust]

What has the issue been with EB play calling with Washington and UCLA that has caused him to be fired after one season with these two teams.

Before the (ahem) knowledge (cough) laid out in this thread I'd have thought the absence of Reid's coaching, Mahomes, Kelce and Hill executing Reid's uh I mean Bienemy's brilliant game plans might have had something to do with Bienemy's lack of success. Now that we've been educated that they were all riding his coattails it would seem a real mystery how his wizardry deserted him.

Did you know Kermit wasn't an All-pro until Bienemy took over as OC in 2018? OFC he wasn't KC's starter either. He played all of one NFL game in his rookie year of 2017 but pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

As this thread has made clear Eric Bienemy MADE Travis Kelce who was never an All-pro until Bienemy discovered him wasting away on the bench. His emergence was purely due to the divine hand of Eric Bienemy. What's that you say? Kelce was an All-pro in 2016 & 2017 with that fraud Matt Nagy as his OC? I'll have you know in spite of Kelce's bio at the league's official site stating he is a 7 time All-pro only 4 of those selections count and they were all under the astute turelage of Eric Bienemy. Likewise with the previously mediocre tyREEK Hill, his All-pro selection in 2016 not withstanding he was a nobody who never did a damn thing without Eric Bienemy. Don't even try bringing up that weak sauce about Mahomes being their starting QB bringing them to new heights, Andy has declared the difference was Bienemy.

Who you gonna trust, the official record and your lying eyes or Andy who is fabled far and wide for his adherence to (his slanted or made up) ahem 'facts'?

 

[lancerman]

So Andy Reid's offense became markedly better in 2018 because Eric Bienemy became his OC?
And here so many of us thought it was Kermit becoming the starter in KC that kicked things into high gear, silly us

It was clearly Bienemy not Mahomes.

 

[maust]

It was clearly Bienemy not Mahomes.

OFC, Mahomes couldn't even make All-pro playing his ONE game prior to Bienemy becoming his OC

 

[lancerman]

OFC, Mahomes couldn't even make All-pro playing his ONE game prior to Bienemy becoming his OC

It's too bad Bienemy left and the Chiefs never won again.

 

[Hyped]

We are the #32 offense

We were the #32 offense with O'Brien and Patricia before that....

I am seeing a difference in yards gained at least...and Maye certainly passes the eye test...

Get that man some help!

 

[Ring 6]

We were the #32 offense with O'Brien and Patricia before that....

I am seeing a difference in yards gained at least...and Maye certainly passes the eye test...

Get that man some help!

Actually we were 26 in yards and 17 in points with Patricia.

Sure Maye is great, but that’s the only real improvement.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

We were the #32 offense with O'Brien and Patricia before that....

That is not true.

Objectively, that improvement mainly needs to come on offense. The Patriots went from being the sixth-ranked offense in 2021 (27.2 points per game) to 17th in 2022 (21.4 points per game).

 

[lancerman]

That is not true.

Objectively, that improvement mainly needs to come on offense. The Patriots went from being the sixth-ranked offense in 2021 (27.2 points per game) to 17th in 2022 (21.4 points per game).

Yup. Patriots offense was and still is the biggest problem for the team. I know people are upset that the defense isn't as good as last year, but the Patriots are a middle of the pack defense in the league right now in ppg and yards (rank 20th in both). We were 15th in ppg and 7th in yards. So yes we give up a lot more yards this year, but we haven't dropped nearly as dramatically in points. In fact the actual numbers for ppg last year was 21.5 and so far this year 23.6. Still a decrease, but that's not huge, it's pretty normal fluctuation on that front in the NFL. 1-2 ppg isn't crazy defensively in the NFL

We are offensively the 31st offense in ppg and 32nd in yards. Last year our offense was 32nd in ppg and 30th in yards per game. The year before we were 17th in ppg and 26th in yards. So we've been going down. Having one of the league worst offenses is negatively effecting the defense more than a lot of people are acknowledging.

We are completely screwing them over by not maintaining drives and staying on the field.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yup. Patriots offense was and still is the biggest problem for the team. I know people are upset that the defense isn't as good as last year, but the Patriots are a middle of the pack defense in the league right now in ppg and yards (rank 20th in both). We were 15th in ppg and 7th in yards. So yes we give up a lot more yards this year, but we haven't dropped nearly as dramatically in points. In fact the actual numbers for ppg last year was 21.5 and so far this year 23.6. Still a decrease, but that's not huge, it's pretty normal fluctuation on that front in the NFL. 1-2 ppg isn't crazy defensively in the NFL

We are offensively the 31st offense in ppg and 32nd in yards. Last year our offense was 32nd in ppg and 30th in yards per game. The year before we were 17th in ppg and 26th in yards. So we've been going down. Having one of the league worst offenses is negatively effecting the defense more than a lot of people are acknowledging.

We are completely screwing them over by not maintaining drives and staying on the field.

The 2023 offensive ranking of 17th in ppg can be bolstered by defensive TDs, so that ranking might be relatively lower if comparing ppg without defensive TDs. Recognizing that, Patricia's offense was better than AVP's offense, and about equivalent to AVP's "Maye only" offensive numbers.

 

[Ring 6]

That is not true.

Objectively, that improvement mainly needs to come on offense. The Patriots went from being the sixth-ranked offense in 2021 (27.2 points per game) to 17th in 2022 (21.4 points per game).

Best way to view it is:

2019 Brady/McD. 420 points 16 games
2020. Legarm/McD 326 points 16 games
2021. Jones/McD. 462 points
2022. Jones/Patricia 364 points
2023. Jones/BOB. 236. points
2024. Maye/VP. 221 points thru 13 which would = 289 in 17 games

We are still pretty far behind the Mac Jones offense in 2 of his 3 years and even the Newton offense.

If we extrapolate only the Maye games that he started and finished, we have averaged19.1 which would out to 19.1 or 326 points in a 17 games season, still worse than Newton (who put up the same in a 16 game season).
And ultimately aside from last year the lowest ppg since 2000.

The question that jumps out is if we fixed the QB and are happy with his play and still have the worst offense aside from last year, don’t we still need major changes?

 

[Ian]

You said you’d rather stay with the guy you know.


Maye playing improved the offense. The other 10 and the coaching haven’t changed much.
Maye has gained experience but he isn’t very different than his first game.
There hasn’t been marked improvement of the offense from Mayes first game to his last. Van Pelt is not doing a good job

Total Net yards:
Week 6: 291
Week 7: 295
Week 8: 248
Week 9: 295
Week 10: 328
Week 11: 382
Week 12: 269
Week 13: 422

Point Totals:
Weeks 6-9: 79 points
Weeks 10-13: 80 points

Red Zone:
Week 13: 2-of-6 (33%)
Week 12: 0-of-0
Week 11: 2-of-5 (40%)
Week 10: 1-of-5 (20%)
Week 9: 2-of-2 (100%)
Week 8: 3-of-4 (75%)
Week 7: 2-of-2 (100%)
Week 6: 1-of-1 (100%)

Maye's totals:
Weeks 6-9: 93/142 (65.5%) 932yds 7 TDs 5 INTs
Weeks 10-13: 75/106 (70.8%) 742yds 4 TDs 3 INTs

Maye's Red Zone Totals:
Weeks 6-9: 8/13 (61.5%) 51yds 3 TDs 0 INTs
Weeks 10-13: 10/17 (58.8%) 63yds 4 TDs *1 INT (*that unlucky pick to Henry last Sunday)

I don't know ... save for the Dolphins game where they fell behind, allowing Miami to tee off on them, their total net yards have been rising as of late. Again, not saying Van Pelt is great, but they've at least been slowly improving. Maye's also been more accurate, and he's been getting notably better each week. Their biggest issue right now is their red zone success, which has dipped in recent weeks. They've missed a significant amount of opportunities by comparison to the number of chances they had prior. Otherwise, their point total would be higher.

All of the above is available for you to mess with on here (the point totals by week, stats by week, etc.). The only thing I do have to add are the overall red zone success totals and total NET yards, which I realized after I had to go dig them up outside of here.

And try and keep in mind, this is an offense that has been competitive and improving with a receiving group that I think the majority of people in here think little of, so it's not as much of a dumpster fire as you're sort of making it out to be.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Best way to view it is:

2019 Brady/McD. 420 points 16 games
2020. Legarm/McD 326 points 16 games
2021. Jones/McD. 462 points
2022. Jones/Patricia 364 points
2023. Jones/BOB. 236. points
2024. Maye/VP. 221 points thru 13 which would = 289 in 17 games

We are still pretty far behind the Mac Jones offense in 2 of his 3 years and even the Newton offense.

If we extrapolate only the Maye games that he started and finished, we have averaged19.1 which would out to 19.1 or 326 points in a 17 games season, still worse than Newton (who put up the same in a 16 game season).
And ultimately aside from last year the lowest ppg since 2000.

The question that jumps out is if we fixed the QB and are happy with his play and still have the worst offense aside from last year, don’t we still need major changes?

Agreed. Lots of great stats. Thanks. Wolf and Mayo have to go. The new management will let AVP and Covington go.

Another way to look at it is to compare the Pats and Commanders who were equally bad in 2023. The Commanders cleaned house and look at how they are doing in 2024 compared to the Pats.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Total Net yards:
Week 6: 291
Week 7: 295
Week 8: 248
Week 9: 295
Week 10: 328
Week 11: 382
Week 12: 269
Week 13: 422

Point Totals:
Weeks 6-9: 79 points
Weeks 10-13: 80 points

Red Zone:
Week 13: 2-of-6 (33%)
Week 12: 0-of-0
Week 11: 2-of-5 (40%)
Week 10: 1-of-5 (20%)
Week 9: 2-of-2 (100%)
Week 8: 3-of-4 (75%)
Week 7: 2-of-2 (100%)
Week 6: 1-of-1 (100%)

Maye's totals:
Weeks 6-9: 93/142 (65.5%) 932yds 7 TDs 5 INTs
Weeks 10-13: 75/106 (70.8%) 742yds 4 TDs 3 INTs

Maye's Red Zone Totals:
Weeks 6-9: 8/13 (61.5%) 51yds 3 TDs 0 INTs
Weeks 10-13: 10/17 (58.8%) 63yds 4 TDs *1 INT (*that unlucky pick to Henry last Sunday)

I don't know ... save for the Dolphins game where they fell behind, allowing Miami to tee off on them, their total net yards have been rising as of late. Again, not saying Van Pelt is great, but they've at least been slowly improving. Maye's also been more accurate, and he's been getting notably better each week. Their biggest issue right now is their red zone success, which has dipped in recent weeks. They've missed a significant amount of opportunities by comparison to the number of chances they had prior. Otherwise, their point total would be higher.

All of the above is available for you to mess with on here (the point totals by week, stats by week, etc.). The only thing I do have to add are the overall red zone success totals and total NET yards, which I realized after I had to go dig them up outside of here.

And try and keep in mind, this is an offense that has been competitive and improving with a receiving group that I think the majority of people in here think little of, so it's not as much of a dumpster fire as you're sort of making it out to be.

You can compare the 2023 and 2024 Patriots and Commanders to get a feel for how bad the 2024 Pats management and coaching is.

 

[Patsgofor4]

We should hire him and fire AVP. Why wouldn’t we?

This is a joke, right? Why wouldn’t we? Because he is a terrible OC when he is calling plays, not Reid.

 

[Ring 6]

Yup. Patriots offense was and still is the biggest problem for the team. I know people are upset that the defense isn't as good as last year, but the Patriots are a middle of the pack defense in the league right now in ppg and yards (rank 20th in both). We were 15th in ppg and 7th in yards. So yes we give up a lot more yards this year, but we haven't dropped nearly as dramatically in points. In fact the actual numbers for ppg last year was 21.5 and so far this year 23.6. Still a decrease, but that's not huge, it's pretty normal fluctuation on that front in the NFL. 1-2 ppg isn't crazy defensively in the NFL

We are offensively the 31st offense in ppg and 32nd in yards. Last year our offense was 32nd in ppg and 30th in yards per game. The year before we were 17th in ppg and 26th in yards. So we've been going down. Having one of the league worst offenses is negatively effecting the defense more than a lot of people are acknowledging.

We are completely screwing them over by not maintaining drives and staying on the field.

2023 and 2024 defenses are not apples to apples.

The offense has turned the ball over 17 times this year, last year they turned it over 29.

The offenses play per drive had increased from 5.15 to 5.96 yards per drive 23.1 to 27.2 and TOP from 2:21 to 2:49. Over an average of 12-13 possessions a game that is not an insignificant difference in the defenses job being easier based upon the impact of the offense.

Last year the offense allowed 5 TDs this year 1. So points allowed BY DEFENSE is an even bigger gap.

The defense has allowed 33 TDs in 13 games, the exact same number the defense allowed in 17 last year. That is a BIG difference.

Last years defense was 6th in 3rd down conversions. This years is 21st.
Last years defense was 6th in red zone defense. This years is 22nd.
Last years defense allowed 1.6 points per drive 5th best, this years allows 2.18 ranked 20th and 36% worse.

Not to mention if you watch the games it’s obvious that the decline in the defense has been precipitous.

If you are a DVOA advocate the defense was 9 last year and is 27 this year.

 

[Ian]

Best way to view it is:

2019 Brady/McD. 420 points 16 games
2020. Legarm/McD 326 points 16 games
2021. Jones/McD. 462 points
2022. Jones/Patricia 364 points
2023. Jones/BOB. 236. points
2024. Maye/VP. 221 points thru 13 which would = 289 in 17 games

We are still pretty far behind the Mac Jones offense in 2 of his 3 years and even the Newton offense.

If we extrapolate only the Maye games that he started and finished, we have averaged19.1 which would out to 19.1 or 326 points in a 17 games season, still worse than Newton (who put up the same in a 16 game season).
And ultimately aside from last year the lowest ppg since 2000.

The question that jumps out is if we fixed the QB and are happy with his play and still have the worst offense aside from last year, don’t we still need major changes?

Also - this will blow your mind. The Patriots' offense last year scored 13 points from weeks 10-13 (four games). They've scored 80 over the same span this year.

Edit: Week 11 was a bye - they scored 30 from Weeks 9-13 in 2023. Still 50 points behind where they are over their recent four-game span this season.