Who Do You Trust To Make The Staff Changes?

[TheRainMaker]

We need to stop all considerations that involve firing Mayo - it WILL NOT HAPPEN.

I would be too confident over that. The media is even worse than last year and already asking for Mayo to be fired.

Kraft would lose all credibility and even damage his own legacy, because confirming a major error in judgement - that he made so public - would increase public opinion that he made a mistake firing BB... and he cannot have that. Because in his mind, it would jeopardize the entire Pats Nation's trust in him. (which is already shaky, but he doesn't know that)

Bob was ready to fire Bill after year two, so I don’t understand why I keep seeing this excuse of why Mayo wouldn’t get fired. And as I mentioned above, nobody would care because they are asking for Mayo to get fired.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I thought the pick was obvious. It would have been professional suicide not to make it. As for Belichick, he hated the pick? Where did you see that? I recall him saying Maye was green and not ready, but then he said he had all the tools. He complimented Maye's assets as being top notch but said his tape didn't show him reading defenses.

He also said that Maye “ wasn’t Josh Allen” and that “ Allen is special and Maye isn’t.”

 

[Huckleberry1]

Maye? Pretty sure you meant Mayo. Freudian slip?

Typo

 

[mike_usagisan]

Bob was ready to fire Bill after year two, so I don’t understand why I keep seeing this excuse of why Mayo wouldn’t get fired. And as I mentioned above, nobody would care because they asking for Mayo to get fired.

Mayo hasn't gotten to year two yet. Maye is keeping the team competitive and I think Mayo can convince Kraft that he'll be able to fix the defense in the offseason. I wouldn't be shocked if Mayo got fired, but I would be surprised.

 

[maust]

Typo

OFC it was. I was just trying to make you smile.

 

[Clonamery]

OFC it was. I was just trying to make you smile.

The typo was probably Belichick's fault.

 

[Clonamery]

He also said that Maye “ wasn’t Josh Allen” and that “ Allen is special and Maye isn’t.”

What he said was, "Josh Allen is a pretty special player."

Also, BB was more effusive in Maye's praise that night than you recall. Critical, yeah, in the plays that were chosen to analyze but he was critical in the same manner with all the QB's that night.

 

[Thelonious]

I've given my reasons somewhat in detaill elsewhere, so I won't repeat all that here. The bottom line:

1) The Krafts ran an unprofessional, half-assed "hiring process." They crippled themselves going in by foolishly giving the HC job in advance to an utterly inexperienced candidate based on no responsible basis whatever: that Mayo is a "nice guy" whom the owner found to be a charming travel companion. All of this is irresponsible, and the results from GM to HC and all the way down the organizational chart have proven to be predictably inferior.

2) The argument that firing people. - HC, GM, whatever - after one year is necessarily disastrous, that doing so makes you "one of those teams," is counter to the facts. It is silly, childish magical thinking. If you hired the wrong guy, you fire him. Weak-willed failure to act on a problem is what can make you "one of those teams."

3) I see no evidence - none - that Mayo is likely ever to become a first-rate HC. If you feel you have such evidence, let's hear it. I am not interested in excuses: I am interested in factual, empirical evidence.

4) Wolfe has demonstrated his incompetence not only in the Mayo era but even before in the Belichick era. Unfortunately Robert Kraft bought Wolf's whiny complaint that "Bill never let us do what we wanted. " Ridiculous. Soft as a grape. Now Wolfe has inarguably been able to do what he has wanted, and the results, aside from drafting Maye, for which I give him little credit since it was the obvious move, have been pathetic. I am frankly baffled that he has not been fired already.

5) There are obvious deficiencies all down the line in the various coaching positions. The idea that an inexperieced, failing HC - Mayo - has the soundness of judgment to make decisions as to who may stay, who must go, and with whom to replace those fired is patently ridiculous. It goes without saying, based on the lousy job he did in putting together the present coaching staff, that Wolf is no better equipped to make those decisions.

6) The Krafts need to secure the counsel of experienced NFL people to rebuild the front office, the coaching staff, and the roster. That we are yet again "in the first year of a rebuild" is testomny to the Krafts' inability to make the professionnal decisions needed to begin (again!) to rebuild the team.

 

[dliverey44]

Wow.. looking at this graph Lowe looks elite..

When we have the highest percentage of tackles on an island , does it indicate scheming issues or poor support from guards and tight ends?

I think it is scheme rather than lack of OG or TE participation. I was rather pleasantly surprised by Lowe and equally disappointed in Trey Jacobs but should have expected it.

 

[maust]

The typo was probably Belichick's fault.

Maybe Nike fat fingering... err, pawing... it?
Either way, we've all gotta laugh at ourselves from time to time or risk becoming a collection of Andys.
And in that vein I raise a glass to you man, you never fail to keep your sense of humor as close as your bottle. It's amazing how the proper use of both can ease the way through an increasingly annoying world.

Hell, let's drink to that while we're at it!

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mayo hasn't gotten to year two yet. Maye is keeping the team competitive and I think Mayo can convince Kraft that he'll be able to fix the defense in the offseason. I wouldn't be shocked if Mayo got fired, but I would be surprised.

Mayo won't fix the defense because he's never proven he's any good at coaching defense. He'd have to hire another coach who would scrap the current scheme. What good coach would want to work for him?

If Ben Johnson has interest in NE, you absolutely have to pull the plug on Mayo now. As Bedard pointed out on Felger and Mazz yesterday, NE is the #1 job to have for 2025.

 

[jdlboot14]

I would absolutely love it if they did fire Mayo - that would prove Kraft isn't okay with wasting time losing.
But, it just won't happen. As I said - DC is the one place that I could see making a change.
Do you think there's any world where they would bring Patricia back?
I saw him on TV recently - he's much thinner, trimmed the beard, he's funny and relatable.
And whatever you think of him - he's a very experienced D coach, playcaller, scheme guy, and won SB's as a DC.
Better than ANY coach on the staff right now.

 

[jdlboot14]

Mayo won't fix the defense because he's never proven he's any good at coaching defense. He'd have to hire another coach who would scrap the current scheme. What good coach would want to work for him?

If Ben Johnson has interest in NE, you absolutely have to pull the plug on Mayo now. As Bedard pointed out on Felger and Mazz yesterday, NE is the #1 job to have for 2025.

Sounds nice. But there's no guarantee Ben Johnson is a good HC. Many talented OC's are not good HC's (JMD is exhibit A)

If lightning strikes and they fire Mayo, we really need to get someone with some cache as a proven HC - even if just in NCAA.

 

[PatsFan2]

Mayo won't fix the defense because he's never proven he's any good at coaching defense. He'd have to hire another coach who would scrap the current scheme. What good coach would want to work for him?

If Ben Johnson has interest in NE, you absolutely have to pull the plug on Mayo now. As Bedard pointed out on Felger and Mazz yesterday, NE is the #1 job to have for 2025.

Some Good Proven Coordinators will be available on Black Monday. We have money and premium Draft position too.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Mayo won't fix the defense because he's never proven he's any good at coaching defense. He'd have to hire another coach who would scrap the current scheme. What good coach would want to work for him?

If Ben Johnson has interest in NE, you absolutely have to pull the plug on Mayo now. As Bedard pointed out on Felger and Mazz yesterday, NE is the #1 job to have for 2025.

I don't disagree, but I think Kraft does. He probably looks at it as less Mayo vs. Johnson and more can Mayo improve the team to get them back to winning. If not, then consider Johnson. But he wants to see if his investment in Mayo pays off. I don't think he's going to pull the plug after one season because many people report Kraft's support for Mayo is still strong.

 

[PatsFan2]

Sounds nice. But there's no guarantee Ben Johnson is a good HC. Many talented OC's are not good HC's (JMD is exhibit A)

If lightning strikes and they fire Mayo, we really need to get someone with some cache as a proven HC - even if just in NCAA.

You take that chance based on the evidence: he could have had his pick of jobs last years and passed great for us.

 

[jdlboot14]

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You take that chance based on the evidence: he could have had his pick of jobs last years and passed great for us.

If they hire Johnson, it'd mean massive turnover on the offensive coach side. AVP plus a bunch of asst. coaches.
I just don't see them doing that - in fear of repeating the chaos that ruined Mac.

 

[jdlboot14]

For all who want to can AVP and staff - just consider...
Most of the NFL "experts" thought Maye would be a disaster if he had to play this year. He wasn't ready, he's too young, he didn't start enough in college, the team around him sucks...
So, this staff must be competent enough to have Maye far past the development stage that everyone - even Brady - thought.

I'm much more willing to give AVP another year than Mayo, and certainly DC - who has destroyed a very good D in mere months.

 

[Real fan 02]

That graph overrate our Tackles our ******ed scheme leaves them on Island regularly. Our Tackles lead the League in giving up the most pressures after the snap. Lowe and Jacobs should not left on an Island Period!

Patriots OL is ranked 32nd in the NFL. And that is too high!

 

[upstater1]

He said on the MaCafee draft podcast as it was made. He clearly didn’t agree with it, and wouldn’t have made it.

That's what I was listening to.

I heard him say Drake was green but had great tools.