Who Do You Trust To Make The Staff Changes?

[Real fan 02]

My position is that we are rebuilding to make a run at the playoffs in 2026, even 2025 if all goes right. This does depend on Wolf actually spending $100M of cap money in 2025 and lots more in 2026.


Is it your position that the team is so hopeless that a 2026 playoff run is not reasonable.

Playoffs In 2025 isn't that far fetched. People are looking at things now as they are and aren't looking at a much better team we project to be in 2025.

 

[Ross12]

I am far from thrilled with Wolf. Maye aside, last offseason was trash.

That said, it's time to kill the narrative that we didn't do enough to address the OL in free agency? What better option was available? How is Tyron Smith holding up in New York? How many games has Jonah Williams even appeared in? How much better did Robert Hunt make the Panthers offense? All the options were bad.

What do y'all seriously expect? Is Wolf supposed to do an inception on Dan Campbell and convince him in a dream to trade Penei Sewell for a 5th?

The OL thing I actually don’t have much to complain about in regards to Wolf.

He brought in Okorafor, retained Lowe and drafted Wallace and felt that one of them would be good enough for a year. Despite Okorafor’s obviously unexpected quitting and Wallace’s injury, Lowe did actually develop into a fairly average LT. Good enough for 1 year.

What he did not expect was issues everywhere else. I am sure he expected Sow and Onwenu would continue to lock down 2 guard spots, and Strange would return after a few weeks to improve one of those. And one of the tackles that was not the LT could easily be the RT.

Instead, Sow regressed, Okorafor quit, Wallace got hurt, Strange never returned, Andrews got hurt, Jake Andrews also got hurt, and Layden Robinson did not develop as fast as desired due to being forced into action too soon.

No GM is really going to expect all of that. You can say that he should’ve signed a better LT but there wasn’t one. You can say that he could’ve brought in a better backup guard than Nick Leverett, but they ended up playing him at center out of position due to all the injury issues which wasn’t the plan.

I think we also have to credit him for finding Ben Brown midseason who has been average, and Demontrey Jacobs on waivers who has at least been sturdy. He’s not great but he is probably an OK backup swing tackle in 2025.

All in all I don’t really give him too much crap for the line. The Polk pick does look pretty dumb in hindsight though. But he’s young, perhaps he will still develop.

 

[Triumph]

Bob Kraft will be the one who makes all changes.

 

[Toofy]

Every Sunday I have quite a visceral angry reaction to Wolfs lack of urgency toward the OL in FA. I agree that he hasn't been absolutely terrible, but he could have been better. Only bringing in Chuks and a draft pick to address the LT spot, assuming that you were counting on Owenu at RT. So his plan was Between Chuks, Lowe, Wheatley Jr, Calvin Anderson (who almost died last year), Andrew Steuber(who, IKR), and Wallace. I am not saying the answer to a starting LT was in FA and Lowe may have beat everyone out, but there was no effort made. This is aside from thinking that they needed to do something for the defense.

Wow.. looking at this graph Lowe looks elite..

When we have the highest percentage of tackles on an island , does it indicate scheming issues or poor support from guards and tight ends?

 

[Wozzy]

Bob Kraft will be the one who makes all changes.

Jonathan… Bob is a figurehead at this point.

 

[Wozzy]

Also Mayo and Wolf are entrenched, they’re going nowhere… so this is just mental masturbation at this point.

 

[borg]

The OL thing I actually don’t have much to complain about in regards to Wolf.

He brought in Okorafor, retained Lowe and drafted Wallace and felt that one of them would be good enough for a year. Despite Okorafor’s obviously unexpected quitting and Wallace’s injury, Lowe did actually develop into a fairly average LT. Good enough for 1 year.

What he did not expect was issues everywhere else. I am sure he expected Sow and Onwenu would continue to lock down 2 guard spots, and Strange would return after a few weeks to improve one of those. And one of the tackles that was not the LT could easily be the RT.

Instead, Sow regressed, Okorafor quit, Wallace got hurt, Strange never returned, Andrews got hurt, Jake Andrews also got hurt, and Layden Robinson did not develop as fast as desired due to being forced into action too soon.

No GM is really going to expect all of that. You can say that he should’ve signed a better LT but there wasn’t one. You can say that he could’ve brought in a better backup guard than Nick Leverett, but they ended up playing him at center out of position due to all the injury issues which wasn’t the plan.

I think we also have to credit him for finding Ben Brown midseason who has been average, and Demontrey Jacobs on waivers who has at least been sturdy. He’s not great but he is probably an OK backup swing tackle in 2025.

All in all I don’t really give him too much crap for the line. The Polk pick does look pretty dumb in hindsight though. But he’s young, perhaps he will still develop.

No mention regarding the copious amount of sacks Wolf's OL has given up.
No mention about the mental midgetry of Wolf's handpicked big uglies who are destined for record book immortality given their weekly penalty flag follies.
A GM has one main job, to improve the roster, and the 2024 Patriots OL regressed compared to last season....and the bar set in 2023 could not have been any lower.
Massive GM failure
Zero excuses

 

[PatsFan2]

Wow.. looking at this graph Lowe looks elite..

When we have the highest percentage of tackles on an island , does it indicate scheming issues or poor support from guards and tight ends?

That graph overrate our Tackles our ******ed scheme leaves them on Island regularly. Our Tackles lead the League in giving up the most pressures after the snap. Lowe and Jacobs should not be left on an Island Period!

 

[jdlboot14]

We need to stop all considerations that involve firing Mayo - it WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Kraft would lose all credibility and even damage his own legacy, because confirming a major error in judgement - that he made so public - would increase public opinion that he made a mistake firing BB... and he cannot have that. Because in his mind, it would jeopardize the entire Pats Nation's trust in him. (which is already shaky, but he doesn't know that)

The only hope we have is they save face by firing a scapegoat - and that has to be DC (if they were objective and honest).
A new and experienced DC, with maybe a new DL & LB position coach could turn this D back around.

As for AVP - he's not as bad as people think. With another year to prepare Maye - will allow the 2nd level offensive dynamics to take shape. More of a rolodex of plays, allowing adjustments and nuance to counteract defense scheme, which allows for audibles and better understanding for Maye to correct OL alignments at the LoS. Not to mention getting a couple dynamic playmakers at the skill position.

 

[Tunescribe]

In going with a HC that never so much as held a ful fledged (play calling) coordinator position I suspect Krafty Bob has painted himself into a corner as far as Mayo is concerned. At the very least, he'd look capricious if he fired Mayo. That being the case, both coordinators have got to go. Neither has shown they are remotely capable of making in game adjustments. Kraft/Wolf need to insist on top of the line proven coordinators. If that turns Mayo into a figurehead then so be it, there's only 4 years of an affordable QB left they can't be standing around squandering them.

"Capricious," or perhaps wisely judicious? Doubling down on a bad mistake doesn't make things better. Mayo is in WAY over his head and never should have gotten the job. Assuming he stays, what quality coordinators would be willing to come here knowing a still-green Mayo is on shaky ground and the whole operation could get blown up end of next season?

Mayo being incapable of stepping in to help Covington fix the defense is telltale -- he simply lacks the football acumen required of an NFL head coach. The very best thing Kraft can do is cut his losses now and hire the likes of Vrabel.

 

[Clonamery]

We need to stop all considerations that involve firing Mayo - it WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Kraft would lose all credibility and even damage his own legacy, because confirming a major error in judgement - that he made so public - would increase public opinion that he made a mistake firing BB... and he cannot have that. Because in his mind, it would jeopardize the entire Pats Nation's trust in him. (which is already shaky, but he doesn't know that)

The only hope we have is they save face by firing a scapegoat - and that has to be DC (if they were objective and honest).
A new and experienced DC, with maybe a new DL & LB position coach could turn this D back around.

As for AVP - he's not as bad as people think. With another year to prepare Maye - will allow the 2nd level offensive dynamics to take shape. More of a rolodex of plays, allowing adjustments and nuance to counteract defense scheme, which allows for audibles and better understanding for Maye to correct OL alignments at the LoS. Not to mention getting a couple dynamic playmakers at the skill position.

Well, that settles that. C'mon let's have some pills and think positive! I'm going to buy some merch. Are they playing in Dubai anytime soon? I think I'll go, what a spectacle!

I don't have to believe anything I've seen nor any of the results of play or score of games, thank you very much. It's all been a bad dream, things are looking up!

Hallelujah! Merry ****ing Christmas! God bless us all, everyone!

 

[Tunescribe]

We need to stop all considerations that involve firing Mayo - it WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Kraft would lose all credibility and even damage his own legacy, because confirming a major error in judgement - that he made so public - would increase public opinion that he made a mistake firing BB... and he cannot have that. Because in his mind, it would jeopardize the entire Pats Nation's trust in him. (which is already shaky, but he doesn't know that)

As far as Kraft's credibility and legacy are concerned, nothing does more harm than going 3-14 or sticking with the mistake that got you there. Firing Mayo might not happen but it should. This has nothing to do with BB being let go, that was necessitated by his apparent refusal to relinquish roster control.

 

[mike_usagisan]

We need to stop all considerations that involve firing Mayo - it WILL NOT HAPPEN.
Kraft would lose all credibility and even damage his own legacy, because confirming a major error in judgement - that he made so public - would increase public opinion that he made a mistake firing BB... and he cannot have that. Because in his mind, it would jeopardize the entire Pats Nation's trust in him. (which is already shaky, but he doesn't know that)

The only hope we have is they save face by firing a scapegoat - and that has to be DC (if they were objective and honest).
A new and experienced DC, with maybe a new DL & LB position coach could turn this D back around.

This is my thought as well, though I'm not sure Mayo will fire Covington. But I wouldn't be surprised to see some position coaches go and more help given to Covington.

 

[Clonamery]

This is my thought as well, though I'm not sure Mayo will fire Covington. But I wouldn't be surprised to see some position coaches go and more help given to Covington.

If anyone fires Covington it will be Kraft. He's Thunder. And Mayo's, Lightfoot. As you say, more likely lesser coaches will be whittled away. They'll bring Chuck Fairbanks outta retirement as Asst. DC (Deceased Coordinator) to mentor the young Covington because Mayo has his hands full with "getting things right."

 

[mike_usagisan]

If anyone fires Covington it will be Kraft. He's Thunder. And Mayo's, Lightfoot. As you say, more likely lesser coaches will be whittled away. They'll bring Chuck Fairbanks outta retirement as Asst. DC (Deceased Coordinator) to mentor the young Covington because Mayo has his hands full with "getting things right."

Well, that raises a good question. Does Mayo have the authority to fire coaches? Or do the checks and balances lead back to Kraft and those decisions can only be made through him?

 

[Huckleberry1]

again, too mich credit here for that, he was by far the best avail pick at the time of draft after WIlliams and Daniels was gone. Even you would have made that pick, and you don't get paid millions of dollars to do so.

But Bill Belichick wouldn’t have made that pick.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I thought the pick was obvious. It would have been professional suicide not to make it. As for Belichick, he hated the pick? Where did you see that? I recall him saying Maye was green and not ready, but then he said he had all the tools. He complimented Maye's assets as being top notch but said his tape didn't show him reading defenses.

He said on the MaCafee draft podcast as it was made. He clearly didn’t agree with it, and wouldn’t have made it.

 

[Huckleberry1]

so I guess you wouldnt have picked Maye. Oh my bad !!

I was the person arguing with many posters here that they had to take either Maye or Daniels with the 3rd pick. Daniels vs was my preference early on, but I bought into the argument that he would have trouble throwing to the middle of the field, and went with Maye in the month leading up to the draft. So I’m very clear about how many fans here didn’t want Maye, as they argued that only 30% of 1st round QB’s succeed, and they either wanted Harrison Jr., Alt, or the trade down.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Well, that raises a good question. Does Mayo have the authority to fire coaches? Or do the checks and balances lead back to Kraft and those decisions can only be made through him?

I think Mayo has the authority to fire his coaches, but I don’t think Wolf has the authority to fire Maye, as Kraft very publically hired him.

 

[maust]

I think Maye has the authority to fire his coaches, but I don’t think Wolf has the authority to fire Maye, as Kraft very publically hired him.

Maye? Pretty sure you meant Mayo. Freudian slip?
I'd like to think no one is considering firing Maye