Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[lancerman]

How can Mayo talk about diversity when the NFL rosters are overwhelming black? Which is appropriate because black athletes constitute a disproportionate share of the best football players. Rosters are based on talent, as should coach staffs be, but the correlation between great athleticism and great coaching skill is weak.

Ehhh it's a little more nuanced than that. The coaching funnel has sort of become an old boys club and it's full of families and nepotism relationships all over the place. Steve Belichick was a coaching assistant on a premier NFL team at 25 years olds right after college. That doesn't happen to anybody else unless they are buddies with someone in the league even if their ambition is to be a football coach.

Players get in based on merit and talent. Coaching is a lot more who you know. It's not just "talented players don't make good coaches". It's more, the players aren't breaking into the old boys club when they retire as easily.

 

[203Pat]

Ehhh it's a little more nuanced than that. The coaching funnel has sort of become an old boys club and it's full of families and nepotism relationships all over the place. Steve Belichick was a coaching assistant on a premier NFL team at 25 years olds right after college. That doesn't happen to anybody else unless they are buddies with someone in the league even if their ambition is to be a football coach.

Players get in based on merit and talent. Coaching is a lot more who you know. It's not just "talented players don't make good coaches". It's more, the players aren't breaking into the old boys club when they retire as easily.

Spot on. Some of the responses in this thread alone prove why having some parameters around hiring coaches is so important. The Rooney Rule definitely isn't perfect, but the spirit of the idea is still valid. It forces teams to take a look at outside candidates, and in many cases, candidates that wouldn't have been given a shot to interview. There is nothing wrong with having a diverse group of perspectives and opinions when interviewing them. In the end, the hope is that the best candidate still gets the job, but everyone is given equal opportunity instead of just hiring the coach’s son or the owner's college teammate or however it was done for 50 years. The NFL has lots of work to do as far as race goes, whether some of the old dinosaurs like it or not. Hell, less than 5 years ago, the NFL was denying former Black players payouts for health issues at a higher rate than White players because they deemed less mental decline in the Black players on the basis that they had lower cognitive ability to start with. I'm sorry, but that is just insane.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

If Mayo is here next year I won’t be.

I am a fan of the Pats, NOT of a rich man’s play thing.

I am not going to support them when they put their own ego and arrogance first, and the fans as an afterthought.

I really feel bad for Drake Maye being put in this position.

He deserves better, and deserves coaching that will allow him to reach his potential, which at best is the driving force behind another dynasty.

The Krafts were not responsible for the first Pats dynasties and actively damaged it.

You would hope they would learn.

You should have been a fan in the 70s, 80s early 90s, you're not a Pats fan unless they win, not a real fan.

 

[Brotherblues]

Is this type of crap really necessary?

Fwiw Mayo harps extensively about it being a larger than life priority for him. It's not what we want to talk about on a football forum but, well, the HC openly says it's a priority on how he runs the team. It's a catch 22 for forum rules.

When the coach has explicitly stated that their political priorities influence their management of the team, then discussing the team's performance or decisions inevitably touches on those political factors.

This creates a paradox: members are expected to avoid discussing politics while also trying to analyze or critique decisions that are explicitly political.

TLDR: sucks to be a mod these days.

 

[lancerman]

Idk why people are freaking out, all things considered we are middle of the pack.

 

[The Gr8est]

You should have been a fan in the 70s, 80s early 90s, you're not a Pats fan unless they win, not a real fan.

How do you explain that I have been a fan since the 60s?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

How do you explain that I have been a fan since the 60s?

So after all those years you'll leave because of Mayo? What about Rod Rust, Victor Kiam? You hung in through all that but now you're going to bail?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Except Jerry spends money and can actually draft decent.

1 playoff win in 25 years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

So after all those years you'll leave because of Mayo? What about Rod Rust, Victor Kiam? You hung in through all that but now you're going to bail?

Who is bailing?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Who is bailing?

Read your post, you said if Mayos here next year, you're not. Did I misunderstand you?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Read your post, you said if Mayos here next year, you're not. Did I misunderstand you?

I never said anything like that. What I have said is that I’m ok with them changing coaches as long as they are picking a replacement that will be given at least 5 years. Franchises that start hiring and firing coaches every year or two are the worst franchises in football, and in sports in general.

 

[Huckleberry1]

None of it will make sense. Mayo is just brainwashed by this recent modern era (cultural Marxism) that we are in where DEI and political correctness are the most important thing. And that's basically the first thing he said as the new head coach. In general, looking at the players, black guys dominate the game. In general,it's different at different positions. In staff and coaching it's tended to be different demographics than what you see with the players. But regardless, his insane level of wokeness made most of us say on this forum that this guy is a huge red flag. There's a high chance of locker room problems with this way of thinking instead of going out and finding the best players and coaches you can find for this team. You want a bunch of guys looking at each other and building a team based on skills and character and not being focused on building your team to look like "the world."

You’re on the wrong Messageboard. The white nationalist messageboard is probably on Reddit

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I never said anything like that. What I have said is that I’m ok with them changing coaches as long as they are picking a replacement that will be given at least 5 years. Franchises that start hiring and firing coaches every year or two are the worst franchises in football, and in sports in general.

I was a answering someone else who said that, sorry for the confusion. Was responding to the gre8est.

 

[Sorrynotsorry]

Yep, you can't overcome it like Gangrene.

Was this a jab at the jets

 

[mike_usagisan]

I thought this was a good conversation (well until the end) and am glad @Ian transcribed it: TRANSCRIPT: Boston Herald's Andrew Callahan on 98.5 Talking About the Future of the Patriots Coaches

Indirectly, Mayo has said that he's thinking about coach changes this week, to be ready for the end of the season.

Here's some of the quotes from Andrew Callahan who says he doesn't think Mayo is getting fired, but if not, who else might be in trouble:

I want to underscore this is just speculation, and this isn’t honestly unique to the Patriots, right? If you’re looking at any team close enough and be like, ‘What are the positions that are underperforming relative to the talent? Or more importantly, to rebuild, who’s not developing?’ Patriots took two receivers in the first four rounds, and they haven’t had a catch between them in weeks. Javon Baker plays four snaps. I would look at the receivers. Tyler Hughes is that coach. The offensive line, another position. Jerod Mayo said multiple times, frustrated by the offensive line, lack of continuity. And some of that is injuries. It’s just bad luck for Scott Peters, who’s also a rookie offensive line coach. But that’s the most important position on staff after the coordinators because you’re dealing with more players and basically half of the offense. So we don’t pay attention to them except for when they screw up. But every coaching staff is looking for a good offensive line coach. Scott Peters once hailed as an excellent assistant offensive line coach. I think there are questions about him as a lead guy.

the defensive staff is much smaller. You can identify who’s screwing up more easily. I think if you’re Jerod Mayo, you just know them better because you work with guys like Mike Pellegrino and Brian Belichick and Demarcus Covington last year.

let’s just talk about the defense. This defense, A) has gotten worse as the season goes on. Say what you will about the worst Patriots teams in general, their defense got better as the season went along. They’re bottom five by DBOA, bottom seven by EPA, and they’re still allowing 23 points per game. So the offense is what it was, but that’s getting better. And it’s not just Drake Maye, though he’s getting better and had his best game yet last Sunday. The defense’s complete collapse was something I don’t think anyone saw.

 

[condon84]

That is why I felt like Mayo should have taken one of the DC positions available to him when he was interviewing. It would have helped him immensely as a HC.

It would have exposed him. He was smart not to take it if he knew Kraft was gonna hire him anyways.

 

[Love The Drake]

It would have exposed him. He was smart not to take it if he knew Kraft was gonna hire him anyways.

It’s like a elaborate scam.

 

[Love The Drake]

I thought this was a good conversation (well until the end) and am glad @Ian transcribed it: TRANSCRIPT: Boston Herald's Andrew Callahan on 98.5 Talking About the Future of the Patriots Coaches

Indirectly, Mayo has said that he's thinking about coach changes this week, to be ready for the end of the season.

Here's some of the quotes from Andrew Callahan who says he doesn't think Mayo is getting fired, but if not, who else might be in trouble:

So from what I Am reading Mayo is throwing everyone under the bus aside from Springer and Van Pelt.

Got it.

We will be fine what a joke.

 

[mike_usagisan]

So from what I Am reading Mayo is throwing everyone under the bus aside from Springer and Van Pelt.

Got it.

We will be fine what a joke.

No, Andrew Callahan is. It's more that Mayo is signalling that there might be coaching changes below him and Callahan is trying to read the tea leaves on who it might be.

 

[condon84]

You should have been a fan in the 70s, 80s early 90s, you're not a Pats fan unless they win, not a real fan.

Disagree.

The only way to tell ownership that they are doing a crap job is to stop consuming their product.