Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[lancerman]

The more I see, the more I hear, the more I blame RK for the demise of the dynasty. I am thankful he kept the team in NE, and overall being a good owner for years…

But as far as the dynasty goes, BB had an even tougher job IMO than he gets credit for. While Brady was huge (can’t be overstated), there is so much more to a team, especially in football, than one player. BB kept all the balls in the air successfully for a long time. Dealing with egos, philosophy, personnel (for better or worse, certainly not as easy as it is sometimes made out to be, and doesn’t just involve “picking the right player”) strategy, etc, etc … He did an unbelievable job.

It seems to me anyway, that as RK began concerning himself more and more with his legacy, the more toxic his relationship with Bill became… And the more we became (a little anyway) like the Cowboys, where it became tougher to put a finger on who was responsible for things going south.
Oh well, it was an awesome run, far more than I could have ever dreamed of in my lifetime.

For now, hoping Drake Maye isn’t a casualty of the current mess. Thought he’d be great before the draft, he seems to be who we all hoped he’d be, but who knows.

Nah, the dynasty died the day Bill let Brady walk out the door. I can acknowledge Kraft had very little done besides hiring the right people. But the reality is that without Brady MAYBE we get 1 Super Bowl in 04 if we have everything go right and still find at least an above average QB.

Once Brady left, and let's be blunt, he left because he had problems with the coach, the dynasty ended and the team nosedived.

Kraft having an ego didn't really effect the team all that much. It was still Bill's team until last year.

 

[mgcolby]

If the Pats lose out, Bob will change his mind and fire Mayo.

Each week the media has been getting louder calling the franchise an embarrassment and Mayo incompetent. Bob doesn’t want to be known for that.

From your mouth to god's ears. And honestly who do we beat? Not Buffalo (x2), Not the Chargers. Arizona? I doubt it, maybe if it was in Foxboro. Yesterday was their best and probably only chance to win one more game.

 

[Love The Drake]

BB's biggest battle was with the constant drain of staff talent. I think the incessant battle to replenish his support system of coaches and staff is what finally exhausted him. The well ran dry and the dregs he was left with couldn't keep him from running into the ditch.

BB also became overly ****y, only wanted to work with friends or people he knew thru connections.
Didn’t expand the coaching staff, didn’t innovate.
He also got to the point people were afraid to question him.
And he also didn’t want to dish out titles to staff.

That said, he was the best on the field coach, game planner, strategizing every blade of the grass on the field.
And prepared players so well they played above their expectations.
we are seeing the complete opposite from Mayo.
Not one defensive from Bills roster has performed better.
We’d also see Bill coaching on the sideline, strategy as well as technique.
Rob didn’t know what he had.
If we could of just got Bill to bend a little which ironically I think he is now willing to do.

 

[The Gr8est]

BB's biggest battle was with the constant drain of staff talent. I think the incessant battle to replenish his support system of coaches and staff is what finally exhausted him. The well ran dry and the dregs he was left with couldn't keep him from running into the ditch.

That is an underrated effect.

Teams get compensated when they lose free agent players, there should have been a compensation system when a team loses a coach or GM that they developed.

 

[203Pat]

BB's biggest battle was with the constant drain of staff talent. I think the incessant battle to replenish his support system of coaches and staff is what finally exhausted him. The well ran dry and the dregs he was left with couldn't keep him from running into the ditch.

For so long Bill had guys like Ernie, Dante, and Josh. Bill seemed to let Josh McDaniels run the offense and was a lot more hands off. With Dante, Bill could sit back and let him handle the line completely. Ernie was his guy who had been around and seen it all just like Bill had so the two of them were always on the same wavelength. Analyzing trends throughout the week and tailoring the game plans to what they saw as well as the in game management was where he relied on Ernie.

Once those guys were gone Bill was spread too thin and trying to tackle areas he wasn't as adept in.

 

[turkeyneck]

For so long Bill had guys like Ernie, Dante, and Josh. Bill seemed to let Josh McDaniels run the offense and was a lot more hands off. With Dante, Bill could sit back and let him handle the line completely. Ernie was his guy who had been around and seen it all just like Bill had so the two of them were always on the same wavelength. Analyzing trends throughout the week and tailoring the game plans to what they saw as well as the in game management was where he relied on Ernie.

Once those guys were gone Bill was spread too thin and trying to tackle areas he wasn't as adept in.

Just compare the staff he had for the first SB to the staff he had last year, coaches and office. It's night and day.

 

[Dr. Mind Flayer]

"I shouldn't have said that" is becoming Mayo's official slogan

 

[TheRainMaker]

BB's biggest battle was with the constant drain of staff talent. I think the incessant battle to replenish his support system of coaches and staff is what finally exhausted him. The well ran dry and the dregs he was left with couldn't keep him from running into the ditch.

Kyle Shanahan is experiencing that now.

 

[Ross12]

That is an underrated effect.

Teams get compensated when they lose free agent players, there should have been a compensation system when a team loses a coach or GM that they developed.

There is, but unfortunately only if that coach or executive is a minority. And even then, the compensation return is draft picks, which doesn't really help you with replacing a lost coach/exec.

 

[festy1986]

Opinion. He was effectively the DC even if Bill was screwing around because he didn't want his son to be overshadowed.

No one thinks he was the DC. In fact it frustrated him to know that Steve Belichick was getting all the credit.

 

[Love The Drake]

If the Niners fire Shanny we have to pounce right?

 

[festy1986]

If the Niners fire Shanny we have to pounce right?

For sure. That's what we SHOULD do. It's clear to me that Kraft isn't going to fire Mayo.

Not even if they lose by a avg of 20 the next 4 games.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

That is an underrated effect.

Teams get compensated when they lose free agent players, there should have been a compensation system when a team loses a coach or GM that they developed.

Josh Mcdaniels had perhaps the most dishonorable head coaching stint in NFL history, not only once but twice. Matt Patricia isn't too far behind, with a truly embarrassing display in Detroit. Should we get compensated for these guys departures when they nearly ruined other franchises? You make a good point, but how should their value be judged?

 

[ViperGTS]

Kyle Shanahan is experiencing that now.

To be fair injuries have decimated that team this year. Healthy they would be much better. Now CMac is done for the year and Bosa is probably done too it doesn't help. Lots of issues.

 

[mgcolby]

Kyle Shanahan is experiencing that now.

That and a slew of injuries. Thats a tough combination to overcome. I would of brought Saleh back as a "consultant" or whatever.

 

[TheRainMaker]

If the Niners fire Shanny we have to pounce right?

I don't think he will be fired this season. However, if they have another season like this in 2025, the seat will get pretty warm.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I agree on NEEDING a Center (and a good young backup as well). Bolles will probably want LT money even if he agrees to play RT. Even then, we'd still be left with needing a RT after 2 years or so (with Wallace having his initial contract almost up at that time and perhaps forcing the team to overpay to keep him. I hope that Strange can become a solid Center, but I'm just not willing to put my eggs into that basket yet. He's still a huge unknown until we do know.

I think Bolles wants the most security meaning the longest contract with the most guaranteed money. After that I think he will play RT to extend his career. Also he can help at LT in a pinch. Ideal situation IMO.

Yes, we have to wait to see with Strange. Bourne too.

Wallace looks like a bust. Bolles might last 3 years at RT. That is all any team or player can expect.

 

[TheRainMaker]

To be fair injuries have decimated that team this year. Healthy they would be much better. Now CMac is done for the year and Bosa is probably done too it doesn't help. Lots of issues.

That and a slew of injuries. Thats a tough combination to overcome. I would of brought Saleh back as a "consultant" or whatever.

Losing McDaniel, Saleh and Ryans was a major drain to the staff. They had problems last season with the defense and Wilks was thrown under the bus after the Super Bowl loss. Their new DC is the latest to be blamed.

The team was pretty much at full strength aside from McCaffrey and Dre Greenlaw which was a major loss. His replacement (De'Vondre Campbell is terrible). In fact, McCaffery's replacement was the leading rushing in the NFL for most of the time he was the starting RB, so you can't use that excuse. They chose to drag out the Aiyuk situation which led him to finally report to camp out of shape, play terrible and ended up tearing his ACL. Bosa has been criticized all year and is feeling the pressure of not having the rest of his entourage on the DL (Buckner and now Armstead) to take double teams away from him.

 

[turkeyneck]

No one thinks he was the DC. In fact it frustrated him to know that Steve Belichick was getting all the credit.

And take one of the two away and the defense gets worse and trending still "worser" by the week.. Who should have gotten the credit?

 

[203Pat]

Losing McDaniel, Saleh and Ryans was a major drain to the staff. They had problems last season with the defense and Wilks was thrown under the bus after the Super Bowl loss. Their new DC is the latest to be blamed.

The team was pretty much at full strength aside from McCaffrey and Dre Greenlaw which was a major loss. His replacement (De'Vondre Campbell is terrible). In fact, McCaffery's replacement was the leading rushing in the NFL for most of the time he was the starting RB, so you can't use that excuse. They chose to drag out the Aiyuk situation which led him to finally report to camp out of shape, play terrible and ended up tearing his ACL. Bosa has been criticized all year and is feeling the pressure of not having the rest of his entourage on the DL (Buckner and now Armstead) to take double teams away from him.

Weird spot for the 49ers to be in. They have been in win-now mode for a while and gotten close a couple of times but now seem to be on the other side. They have a decision to make with Purdy in the offseason and have some highly paid guys like CMC and Deebo whose best days seem to be behind them. They have guys like Kittle and Trent Williams who are still great players but are getting up there in age. I assume they will pay Purdy and try it again next year, but I can’t imagine they will feel too confident that plan will work.