Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[PatsFan2]

Please tell me Jerod never said that about the Optum meetings?
That makes me feel even worse about him if true.
I pray you can’t find that quote.

The Mayo HC signing is like the D Watson signing in Cleveland: we all knew it wasn't going to end well. Please Jonathan Kraft make the right move Mayo is not the answer.

 

[turkeyneck]

Please tell me Jerod never said that about the Optum meetings?
That makes me feel even worse about him if true.
I pray you can’t find that quote.

Here's the key thread

Optum, Israel, and Mayo's Way: A Swindler's Journey.

 

[Love The Drake]

Here's the key thread

Optum, Israel, and Mayo's Way: A Swindler's Journey.

I hate what is happening to my beloved Patriots.
Bad coaching is as frustrating as Mac’s balloon balls.

 

[PatsFan2]

I hate what is happening to my beloved Patriots.
Bad coaching is as frustrating as Mac’s balloon balls.

Yep, you can't overcome it like Gangrene.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

In another locked thread you wrote:

I’m curious how you grade them on these criteria now that the season is winding down. You could create a new post about it so it doesn’t get buried in the noise Anyway just curious what you think

Not very well, lol

Way too many pre snap and formation penalties. I don't necessarily put live action penalties on coaching all the time. If the LG holds someone it's not necessarily because he was coached poorly, it could be just because he's not as good as the guy he's blocking so he's fighting to keep him off the QB. But it feels like there's been way too many false starts, offsides on kickoffs, illegal formations/shifts and stuff like that.

The game management has seemed poor. Feels like they're consistently fighting the clock. He doesn't manage the game like the underdog team we are. You have to be aggressive in those scenarios because just letting things play out doesn't favor the lesser team usually. You have to take your chances to steal game and be aggressive. Feels like a lot of managing the game to lose by a respectable margin rather than gamble on winning (which may backfire and result in a larger loss).

Now to be fair to Mayo, that's a tough thing to balance. In some of these close games he could have made some more aggressive decisions to try and steal wins, but aggressive decisions usually have downside risk as well. That's what makes them aggressive decisions. So some of these things we're calling for to try and win games could have resulted in us just losing by more which would have people even more upset.

I don't see a lot of young players getting better. That's tough to truly gauge because I don't really think we have a lot of budding young talent either. Keoin White came out strong but seems to have stalled and isn't improving his discipline. Polk and Robinson are playing as rookies but don't seem to be building momentum. Baker isn't seizing a bigger role on a weak depth chart. I'm not going to kill him because some of the young guys who just don't seem to be very good aren't playing well, but the few guys that seem to have some developmental potential aren't really developing.

Now to give him some credit, I do think the "vibe" of the team seems ok all things considered. Week to week it feels like they come out and compete, even amidst bad results. Attitude seems to be focused on improving. It's not a good situation to be in with a team like this but feels like he's avoiding the total chaos and finger pointing and bad vibes that some other teams in this spot deal with.

Ultimately the roster is just soooooooooooooo weak that it's hard to pound the table screaming the coach should be fired. But he hasn't done anything to pound the table to keep him either. I kind of feel like they should give it another year but honestly that's more out of thinking that if we acquire some talent this year we'd be seen as more attractive for better candidates. I think the coach we could replace Mayo with next year might be better than the one we can replace him with this year, because the roster still needs so much work. If they actually bite the bullet and pay some free agents, even overpays, to improve the overall talent level and hit on just one or two draft picks, could be a better situation next year if Mayo faulters again.

 

[JohnJH]

Bolles is 33 next year. If we give him a 3 year contract would he move to RT? And draft a LT in R1? I would also add a Center in R2 or R3 unless Strange can play Center - Strange might be a great Center.

I agree on NEEDING a Center (and a good young backup as well). Bolles will probably want LT money even if he agrees to play RT. Even then, we'd still be left with needing a RT after 2 years or so (with Wallace having his initial contract almost up at that time and perhaps forcing the team to overpay to keep him. I hope that Strange can become a solid Center, but I'm just not willing to put my eggs into that basket yet. He's still a huge unknown until we do know.

 

[mike_usagisan]

The game management has seemed poor. Feels like they're consistently fighting the clock. He doesn't manage the game like the underdog team we are. You have to be aggressive in those scenarios because just letting things play out doesn't favor the lesser team usually. You have to take your chances to steal game and be aggressive. Feels like a lot of managing the game to lose by a respectable margin rather than gamble on winning (which may backfire and result in a larger loss).

Now to be fair to Mayo, that's a tough thing to balance. In some of these close games he could have made some more aggressive decisions to try and steal wins, but aggressive decisions usually have downside risk as well. That's what makes them aggressive decisions. So some of these things we're calling for to try and win games could have resulted in us just losing by more which would have people even more upset.

How much is he in control of game management if he has almost no control of the offense? Isn't it AVP's decisions/play calls.

As best I can tell, Mayo is in charge of time outs (though he has Rothstein to help with that) and challenges (Rothstein probably helps there, too). Maybe he can make the call to go for it on 4th down? I guess he probably made the call to kick the field goal as opposed to the Hail Mary.

I really can't figure out what it is he does during the game.

 

[condon84]

I hate what is happening to my beloved Patriots.
Bad coaching is as frustrating as Mac’s balloon balls.

Mac Jones with Mayo would have been peak comedy.

 

[Love The Drake]

Mac Jones with Mayo would have been peak comedy.

Haha that’s when I walk away from the NFL til one or both are out of NE.

 

[turkeyneck]

Mac Jones with Mayo would have been peak comedy.

More like a midway freak show at the county fair.

 

[p8ryts]

How much is he in control of game management if he has almost no control of the offense? Isn't it AVP's decisions/play calls.

As best I can tell, Mayo is in charge of time outs (though he has Rothstein to help with that) and challenges (Rothstein probably helps there, too). Maybe he can make the call to go for it on 4th down? I guess he probably made the call to kick the field goal as opposed to the Hail Mary.

I really can't figure out what it is he does during the game.

Nothing like convening a committee for a 30 second decision. Oh, and the Head Coach is delegating decision making to subordinates and taking no ownership. The Patriots are running a collaborative operation. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE IN CHARGE, MAKING DECISIONS, AND ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY!!!! That element seems to be missing here.

 

[Ross12]

A lot of really bad quotes by Mayo today I posted in the Post-Game Thread. He is way out of his depth. More of the "it's not my fault" schtick....

 

[203Pat]

 

[lancerman]

So it doesn't bother that we have a quote and quote Defensive HC but a ****ty Defense. BB lost his fast ball but the Defense was still competent. The signs are there Mayo is not and will Never be a Good HC.

And I'll say again, the defense wasn't good. They were paper tigers.

2024 Patriots Defense: 23.6 ppg
2023 Patriots defense. 21.5 ppg.

You lost the supposed GOAT, had more key injuries than last year and you only dropped 2 points per game on the season.

Are we going to pretend the Pats didn't play teams like the Cowboys and lose 38-3 last year or got blacked 34-0 by the Saints?

Dude you just want a quick fix and are going down whatever you think the path of least resistance is. You've been doing it for years.

The team is bad. That is the majority of the problem. He might never be the guy, but plenty of people thought Bill was a headcase who couldn't ever make it as a HC based on his time in Cleveland where he lost 4 out of 5 seasons. Talking in absolutes because a first year coach is working with one of the worst rosters in the league is silly.

And I'll go a step further, even if he isn't the guy.... NO good coaches will take a look at us this year. You think Ben Johnson is going to look at this roster, see us not giving the new coach more than a year to work with it and then say "oh that looks like a well functioning franchise". No we are just going to look like a toxic mess. We will get another coach who is a "prove it" guy that has no track record and we'll be right back where we are.

 

[Brotherblues]

I mean, I feel a lot better about his chances of being one and done, bringing us one step closer to a real search for a legit candidate. It's still a longshot but it gets less long each week.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

How much is he in control of game management if he has almost no control of the offense? Isn't it AVP's decisions/play calls.

As best I can tell, Mayo is in charge of time outs (though he has Rothstein to help with that) and challenges (Rothstein probably helps there, too). Maybe he can make the call to go for it on 4th down? I guess he probably made the call to kick the field goal as opposed to the Hail Mary.

I really can't figure out what it is he does during the game.

AVP calls the plays, but I imagine Mayo is the one deciding things like do we play for halftime or go for a score, if it's 3rd and 16 and if they want to try for the first down or aim for some field position with a shorter play. Uusally a head coach would be communicating things like that.

 

[lancerman]

Problem is, the Mayo hire makes the Patricia as OC look genius in comparison… Maybe he just needed another year

Are we going to pretend there wasn't a better offensive line in 2021 and that we still didn't have Meyers who was the best WR on the roster post Brady?

It's the NFL, the roster matters. Often more than the coaches. This is one of the bottom 3 rosters in the league.

 

[The Gr8est]

I hate what is happening to my beloved Patriots.
Bad coaching is as frustrating as Mac’s balloon balls.

If they keep Mayo I will not be actively following the Pats until he is gone.

Not going to follow the New England Krafts.

 

[The Gr8est]

I hate what is happening to my beloved Patriots.
Bad coaching is as frustrating as Mac’s balloon balls.

I expect that someone in the Pats organization monitors this chat, if for no other reason than to get the pulse of the invested fan base.

Doesn’t mean they will do anything, but if they see much of the more engaged fan base having a negative reaction to Mayo, maybe they will take it into account.

 

[The Gr8est]

And I'll say again, the defense wasn't good. They were paper tigers.

2024 Patriots Defense: 23.6 ppg
2023 Patriots defense. 21.5 ppg.

You lost the supposed GOAT, had more key injuries than last year and you only dropped 2 points per game on the season.

Are we going to pretend the Pats didn't play teams like the Cowboys and lose 38-3 last year or got blacked 34-0 by the Saints?

Dude you just want a quick fix and are going down whatever you think the path of least resistance is. You've been doing it for years.

The team is bad. That is the majority of the problem. He might never be the guy, but plenty of people thought Bill was a headcase who couldn't ever make it as a HC based on his time in Cleveland where he lost 4 out of 5 seasons. Talking in absolutes because a first year coach is working with one of the worst rosters in the league is silly.

And I'll go a step further, even if he isn't the guy.... NO good coaches will take a look at us this year. You think Ben Johnson is going to look at this roster, see us not giving the new coach more than a year to work with it and then say "oh that looks like a well functioning franchise". No we are just going to look like a toxic mess. We will get another coach who is a "prove it" guy that has no track record and we'll be right back where we are.

Robert?

Is that you?