Ground Zero

[farn]

Maye seems to be on the right track, and gives me some hope. But the drafting must improve for this to be a good start. I am fearful that the current staff : GM, HC, Coaches is not the one that'll be leading NE to championships... I was wrong about Dan "crazy eyes" Campbell - but in his case, it seems like he has brilliant coordinators and an excellent head office.

 

[Real fan 02]

Good Morning, Pats Nation. I've been letting it SIMMER all season, but I NEED to get this out.

The New England Patriots started the 2024 season at GROUND ZERO. New Coach, New GM, New OC, New DC, New QB etc. They had to sweep away the crumbs of the Belichick regime(HOF regime, but it WAS time) and start over. They had to bring everyone together and come up with a new plan. The entire playbook is new, the offense had to be installed, taught, learned and put in use in a little over 6 months.

My point is this....Let's give it a little bit longer (or a LOT) to see what we REALLY have. There's so much negativity and hate about the coach, the system, the defense the GM etc. I don't think it's fair to expect much more than what we've seen so far. It hasn't been great. Shoot it hasn't even been GOOD, but considering where they started, it's a step in the right direction. It looks like they found the hardest part, the QB. I'm not ready to assign blame to Mayo or Wolf. We need to see more.

This offseason will be more telling than anything. If they can surround MAYE with Talent(OL/WR) and bring in some help for the D, we could easily be a playoff team next season, or better! AND for the "Haters", please cancel your season tickets! lol I've been on the waiting list since February of 2005. It'll be 20 years this offseason and I'd be HAPPY to have season tickets of my own. Think Positive and have some faith. We're in a better position than a LOT of other fanbases. GO PATRIOTS!!!

Great, Great post! We all as fans can get caught up in the emotions of wanting our beloved team to win each Sunday! I'm already on to the offseason personally. I'm happy we finally have a QB again and just have to surround Drake with elite talent. The real clock on everything starts in March 2025!

 

[Fubby]

In rebuilds the most important things to look for is a team that doesn’t do dumb stuff, individual players flashing, and general improvement as a unit over the course of a season.

Can anyone say that is the 2024 New England Patriots?

 

[lancerman]

Is there a history of bad coaches growing into good coaches in the NFL in one stop? Are bad talent evaluators turning into good evaluators once they have the reins?

We have a young, true franchise quarterback, loads of cap space, and good draft capital. Why hope when we can have success getting an elite coaching staff and front office on the market? This offseason, we will be the most desired landing space in the NFL as long as Kraft promises to hand over the keys to the new staff. We know our past greatness was from the Belichick/Brady combo that is now being repeated in KC. Why not shoot for a new dynasty now?

A team like this doesn't get an elite proven coaching staff. They get somebody who has potential looking for an opportunity but hasn't had the opportunity to put it altogether yet.

You are highly overestimating how desirable a team with this many holes will be. Especially if they jettison the current regime after a single season where they currently have one more win than they did this time last year with the old regime.

There's holes all over the roster. Many at some of the most important positions in the modern NFL.

There's going to be teams like the Bears that have a QB as well that are far closer to being relevant in their division. The Cowboys will very likely be looking for a coach and that's probably the easiest place for someone to go and immediately be ready to be competing and not having to worry about a rebuild.

Even for rebuilding teams, a clean slate like the Giants that at least gave their last regime time is about on par.

Maye is really the only attractive part of this team so far and he's a rookie QB. And to be honest, that's not always something new front offices and coaches look for. If they have to rebuild, they often like to be able to get their own guy at that position instead of a holdover. They'll be able to have carte blanch to get their guy with the Giants or even Jets.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The most underrated problem is that Mayo doesn’t have the excuse of not having players to help build the culture and run the system. He also can’t poach anyone because they are already here.

When Carroll showed up, he poached Steve Israel from San Francisco who was a very solid #2 CB.

Bill poached Anthony Pleasant, Bobby Hamilton, Roman Phifer, brought Otis Smith back and Antonio Langham from his Cleveland days. Also brought over division rivals such as Terrell Buckley, Terrance Shaw and Larry Izzo.

How many significant FA’s wanted to come to NE last offseason?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I do agree that the team needs to upgrade coaches [AVP] and players.

They have no choice, really, on the second part here. But I don't want them to get rid of AVP completely; I think he's OK as QB coach or something like that.

 

[Thunderhead]

The decision to start from "ground zero" with first time GM, HC, OC and DC was made for financial reasons by the cheap owner. It's not some uncontrollable external event that the Patriots were subjected to.

 

[jdlboot14]

Ya, the error is all on Kraft. If you're going to hire a super young, completely inexperienced coach, who has never coordinated even 1 unit in any level of football, then you better have some very solid OC & DC... BUUUUUT, nope.
Both coordinators have never called plays before either.

If your HC is going to try to gain brownie points by "letting the coordinators do their thing", then he better be a helluva motivator, tactician, and energetic guy... BUUUUT, nope. Mayo is not any of those things.
So what is he? And why would the fans believe he can turn into that by next year. Because this can't be a 4 year build.
They need to purge the coaching staff again this offseason.

Our best WR still doesn't know hot routes and situational football. And our starting RB is lazy and lost all fundamentals.
Same for our highly-paid SS. The worst part - is the LB's - the position our HC was personally responsible for has probably performed the worst of any on the field (sans the OL).

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Ya, the error is all on Kraft. If you're going to hire a super young, completely inexperienced coach, who has never coordinated even 1 unit in any level of football, then you better have some very solid OC & DC... BUUUUUT, nope.
Both coordinators have never called plays before either.

Counterpoint: given the absolute cluster Belichick left, especially on offense, what experienced OC would want to come here before knowing what was going to happen (especially at QB)?

 

[jdlboot14]

Counterpoint: given the absolute cluster Belichick left, especially on offense, what experienced OC would want to come here before knowing what was going to happen (especially at QB)?

Sure, but $$
Kraft has it in buckets, but suddenly turned into a miser.

I actually don't think AVP is bad - and I wouldn't mind sticking with him. But, we might need all new position coaches. Even adding a "running game coord" since it's the OL & RB's that have done so poorly.

 

[Real fan 02]

In rebuilds the most important things to look for is a team that doesn’t do dumb stuff, individual players flashing, and general improvement as a unit over the course of a season.

Can anyone say that is the 2024 New England Patriots?

I agreed there. What's so remarkable with this team is they still love thier coach Paul perilllo from PFW was saying today of how much respect ansa admiration mayo still has from the players. But your correct on your post the team is undisciplined, mistake prone the defense has completely fell off a cliff. I'll say this.. if the defense in particular continues to look like this I think Mayo's forced to make a change at DC.

 

[NormZauchin]

i am just being realistic. I realized this team was in a multi year rebuild and it is going to take 2 more years to even see an above .500 record.

So, it's going to take at least three years to see an above .500 record. Let's ignore what Harbaugh has done with the Chargers this season, from 5-12 last year to 7-4 this year. And, of course, it took Belichick how many years to win a Super Bowl after becoming head coach and engaging in a thorough rebuild? Or Parcells when he took over a 2-14 1992 Patriots team and had them in the playoffs two years later with a 10-6 record. Yes, let's be patient and give Mayo three years to reach a 9-8 record and how many more to make the playoffs?

 

[TheRainMaker]

i am just being realistic. I realized this team was in a multi year rebuild and it is going to take 2 more years to even see an above .500 record.

You're assuming that they start hitting on draft picks, bring in FA's and Mayo actually starts....coaching in order for this to happen. This is not a guarantee.

So, it's going to take at least three years to see an above .500 record. Let's ignore what Harbaugh has done with the Chargers this season, from 5-12 last year to 7-4 this year. And, of course, it took Belichick how many years to win a Super Bowl after becoming head coach and engaging in a thorough rebuild? Or Parcells when he took over a 2-14 1992 Patriots team and had them in the playoffs two years later with a 10-6 record. Yes, let's be patient and give Mayo three years to reach a 9-8 record and how many more to make the playoffs?

The common denominator here was that Harbaugh and Parcells were both successful HC's with their prior organizations. Bill Belichick was regarded among the best DC's in the league and had been a HC before.

Mayo has done nothing and doesn't have a track record to prove why we should be patient with him.

 

[archstanton543]

So, it's going to take at least three years to see an above .500 record. Let's ignore what Harbaugh has done with the Chargers this season, from 5-12 last year to 7-4 this year. And, of course, it took Belichick how many years to win a Super Bowl after becoming head coach and engaging in a thorough rebuild? Or Parcells when he took over a 2-14 1992 Patriots team and had them in the playoffs two years later with a 10-6 record. Yes, let's be patient and give Mayo three years to reach a 9-8 record and how many more to make the playoffs?

There was already a core of good players on those teams. There is no core on the Pats.

Just like the Pats weren't a QB away last year, the 2024 Pats are not a coach away like the Chargers or the 2000 Pats were.

 

[lancerman]

Sure, but $$
Kraft has it in buckets, but suddenly turned into a miser.

I actually don't think AVP is bad - and I wouldn't mind sticking with him. But, we might need all new position coaches. Even adding a "running game coord" since it's the OL & RB's that have done so poorly.

Money isn't everything. Guys with real coaching prospects don't want to walk into a disaster and get bounced because they couldn't make a miracle happen and have their career derailed.

 

[Ring 6]

Sure, but $$
Kraft has it in buckets, but suddenly turned into a miser.

I actually don't think AVP is bad - and I wouldn't mind sticking with him. But, we might need all new position coaches. Even adding a "running game coord" since it's the OL & RB's that have done so poorly.

It’s not suddenly. We have been a bottom of the league cash spender over the long run for pretty much his entire tenure.

 

[archstanton543]

It’s not suddenly. We have been a bottom of the league cash spender over the long run for pretty much his entire tenure.

And it worked out pretty well for them. I didn't hear anyone *****ing that they weren't spending enough money when they were winning Super Bowls.

 

[Ring 6]

And it worked out pretty well for them. I didn't hear anyone *****ing that they weren't spending enough money when they were winning Super Bowls.

And the guy managing to do so is no longer here.

 

[NormZauchin]

There was already a core of good players on those teams. There is no core on the Pats.

Just like the Pats weren't a QB away last year, the 2024 Pats are not a coach away like the Chargers or the 2000 Pats were.

Tell Parcells or anyone who followed the 2-14 Patriots in 1992 that they had a "core of good players."

 

[archstanton543]

Tell Parcells or anyone who followed the 2-14 Patriots in 1992 that they had a "core of good players."

He must have seen something in order for Kiam to sign him away from the Giants.