Does anyone think there is a chance Mayo is one and done?

[turkeyneck]

Kraft is 83.

The biggest thing he's going to want for his legacy is a Super Bowl win without Bill.

He'll take any short term hits to get a better chance at it.

Mayo will be gone.

I think he's still the guy who wants acceptance into a club that doesn't really want him. He wants desperately to be one of the owners inner circle along with the Maras and Rooneys. He measures that acceptance by HOF membership. He's already got bragging rights over them on SBs but they still don't take him seriously. So now he's set on the course of imitating the Rooneys.

 

[lancerman]

That's an insult to Jason Garrett. Garret could coach circles around Mayo.

Nah Garrett had a loaded team and couldn't do **** with it. Not saying Mayo is much better, but the Patriots have arguably the worst or second worst roster in the league quite comfortably. Sucking with a bad team and sucking with a good team are different things.

 

[lancerman]

Kraft is 83.

The biggest thing he's going to want for his legacy is a Super Bowl win without Bill.

He'll take any short term hits to get a better chance at it.

Mayo will be gone.

I think the biggest thing Kraft wants is a HOF induction before he dies. Which honestly, probably would happen if he just shut the **** up for awhile.

Kraft already took a team with one SB appearance and got 10 out of them and 6 wins. He made the Patriots the most relevant team in the league for 20 years. Nobody longterm is going to care about slippage near the end of his run.

People bring up Landry's dominant run, they never talk about how bad he was when Jones fired him.

The truth is Kraft, Belichick, and Brady had their legacy in stone pretty much from the moment the run ended at the end of the 2018 SB. Brady got a little boost by doing what Montana never did and what Manning needed to be carried to in Denver. But everything else... nobody is going to really hold anything against them longterm for not winning more after already setting the bar.

Kraft did what every single owner dreams of doing, Belichick did what every coach wants to do, and Brady did what every QB wants to do. Most of them aren't even delusional enough to think getting halfway there is a failure.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mayo's philosophy is quite evident.

Conservative. Old school. Doesn't really put much effort in adjustments.

Is it going to take you 2-3 years to figure that out?

But you didn't address my point that Mayo was intended to be hired as a continuation of a successful team, not someone who would/could rebuild one.

Why give him a second year under that circumstance?

I don’t like the idea of changing coaches a year into their tenure, but I do concede that there are signs that Mayo isn’t doing a good job. The first is the failure to take responsibility for their play, and trying to deflect it onto other. The second is the penalties. Overall I think there are people here who have made strong arguments that the coaching staff isn’t doing a good job, and I think Upstatets post about Jones and Duggar is a good example of that. The drop off in the play of the defense, especially since Maye took over at QB and the offense is doing better, is a good example of this. And the penalties should have been cleaned up by now, and instead are derailing them every week. So I won’t be arguing against letting them go at the end of the season.

Wolf is another story altogether, and if they let him go I’m going to be seriously pissed off, and I’m going to lose faith completely in the ability of the Kraft’s to hire a management team that can turn them into a contender. Wolf inherited Belichick’s team, and Kraft’s coach, neither of which were any good, and expecting any GM to turn that around in 6 months is idiotic. He should be given the same control of football operations that Belichick had, and at least 4-5 years to turn them into a serial contender for Lombardi’s. If he fails then look at other options, but I don’t want the Kraft’s running the team, and I don’t want them changing GM’s like underwear. If they start doing that then I’m probably done with them and done with football.

 

[The Gr8est]

I think he's still the guy who wants acceptance into a club that doesn't really want him. He wants desperately to be one of the owners inner circle along with the Maras and Rooneys. He measures that acceptance by HOF membership. He's already got bragging rights over them on SBs but they still don't take him seriously. So now he's set on the course of imitating the Rooneys.

Maybe the rest of the league knows who was responsible for winning the SBs?

They also know that Kraft didn’t support BB and Brady with the BS charges.

 

[Boomer B]

Ben Johnson, Kellen Moore, Josh McDaniels.
Need an offensive coach.

We need talent. Ben Johnson has an all star squad of offensive talent in Detroit. We don’t have Sewell, Gibbs, St. Brown, Williams, etc… what’s Johnson gonna do with the likes of Polk, Baker, and the worst o-line in the league? We saw how great Josh looked in LV and Denver when he didn’t have Brady and Gronk.

I don’t know if Van Pelt is the answer, but with this cast of misfits how can anyone really judge what kind of job he’s doing? He’s seemed to do well coaching up Maye.

We have a bottom of the barrel roster in terms of talent, thanks to BB, Wolf, and Groh. Krafts biggest mistake wasn’t getting rid of BB, it was retaining Wolf and Groh. He should have just cut the cord completely. New staff and new vision. Mayo will get a 2nd year but he seems to be in over his head. Let’s just hope Wolf doesn’t botch the next draft so when we do clean house after next year there is some talent for the new guys.

 

[turkeyneck]

Maybe the rest of the league knows who was responsible for winning the SBs?

They also know test Kraft didn’t support BB and Brady with the BS charges.

Kraft figures that should count in his favor.

 

[Love The Drake]

If he put as much time in his coaching search as his anti Kanye West Ads this would of never been a problem.

 

[KCSVEN]

Well, Merrill Hodges was right when he said Drake Maye will get a coach fired

UNC fired Mack Brown toady, funny how bad a coach you become when you lose and all world QB! BB Understands!

Just not sure how he gets Mayo fired without leaving?

 

[Wax Frog]

So you're saying he stays?? I guess l'll start now.

From the corner of my eye it looked like an oxygen mask!

 

[Wax Frog]

I'm resigned to the fact that it's going to be meddling from here on out

Same, hence my New England Browns "prophecy".

 

[Wax Frog]

If that turns out to be the case, then sadly, I will be need to be done with the NFL.

I am not going to find another team, but I don’t relish the prospect of investing time following a poorly run franchise with out of control egos in charge.

Seems like the Krafts cannot accept that they were just along for the ride during the dynasty, and want to prove to everyone that it was them all along.

An ownership change would be the thing to get my interest back, provisionally.

 

[PatsFan2]

Well, Merrill Hodges was right when he said Darke Maye will get a coach fired

UNC fired Mack Brown toady, funny how bad a coach you become when you lose and all world QB! BB Understands!

Just not sure how he gets Mayo fired without leaving?

Go behind the back door to Kraft no pun: and lay out your dislikes: Mac Jones did it. Maye could just say we know the Fans don't come to watch Mayo: knowing they can Coach better than him. The Fans come to watch me.

 

[borg]

Just not sure how he (Maye) gets Mayo fired without leaving?

Flatlining with only 1 legit win might expedite Mayo's exit.

 

[PatsFan2]

Flatlining with only 1 legit win might expedite Mayo's exit.

Losing the Next 5 should.

 

[KCSVEN]

Losing the Next 5 should.

Except I think it won't unless it's all embarrassing losses like the Miami game and even then...not sure Kraft will do it after just 1 year.

 

[203Pat]

I think the biggest thing Kraft wants is a HOF induction before he dies. Which honestly, probably would happen if he just shut the **** up for awhile.

Kraft already took a team with one SB appearance and got 10 out of them and 6 wins. He made the Patriots the most relevant team in the league for 20 years. Nobody longterm is going to care about slippage near the end of his run.

People bring up Landry's dominant run, they never talk about how bad he was when Jones fired him.

The truth is Kraft, Belichick, and Brady had their legacy in stone pretty much from the moment the run ended at the end of the 2018 SB. Brady got a little boost by doing what Montana never did and what Manning needed to be carried to in Denver. But everything else... nobody is going to really hold anything against them longterm for not winning more after already setting the bar.

Kraft did what every single owner dreams of doing, Belichick did what every coach wants to do, and Brady did what every QB wants to do. Most of them aren't even delusional enough to think getting halfway there is a failure.

I agree. If you were to give Kraft truth serum and ask what he would rather have, another ring or induction into the Hall of Fame, I think it would be the latter. The team has already had more than enough success since he took over to get him in if that was the only criterion. His issue is what you mentioned. He won't shut up. The open campaigning to get in and a fairly self-serving documentary he helped produce as well as the not-so-subtle jabs at Belichick are all likely working against him. Going 20 some odd years with the reputation of staying out of the way and letting two all-time greats lead your team to multiple Super Bowls only to try and grab credit at the end is such a bad PR move.

Add all that to the fact your team embarrassed the other 31 for two decades, a couple of "cheating" scandals, and an unfortunate massage parlor trip, it isn't a surprise that there is some resistance to letting him in.

 

[archstanton543]

I agree. If you were to give Kraft truth serum and ask what he would rather have, another ring or induction into the Hall of Fame, I think it would be the latter. The team has already had more than enough success since he took over to get him in if that was the only criterion. His issue is what you mentioned. He won't shut up. The open campaigning to get in and a fairly self-serving documentary he helped produce as well as the not-so-subtle jabs at Belichick are all likely working against him. Going 20 some odd years with the reputation of staying out of the way and letting two all-time greats lead your team to multiple Super Bowls only to try and grab credit at the end is such a bad PR move.

Add all that to the fact your team embarrassed the other 31 for two decades, a couple of "cheating" scandals, and an unfortunate massage parlor trip, it isn't a surprise that there is some resistance to letting him in.

He owns the team. He gets credit.

 

[203Pat]

He owns the team. He gets credit.

And he should get credit and honestly I think he always did. No one would have ever said he was as important to the run as Brady and Bill but Kraft had built up so much goodwill and pissed most of it away in just a few years. He was always held up as the antithesis of guys like Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder as an owner who wasn't ego-driven and let the football guys make football decisions.

 

[Family]

I think he's still the guy who wants acceptance into a club that doesn't really want him. He wants desperately to be one of the owners inner circle along with the Maras and Rooneys. He measures that acceptance by HOF membership. He's already got bragging rights over them on SBs but they still don't take him seriously. So now he's set on the course of imitating the Rooneys.

I think the biggest thing Kraft wants is a HOF induction before he dies.

If Kraft had a choice of HOF or sticking another Super Bowl trophy in BB's face, he would take the later.

He'd get in the Hall with another Super Bowl anyway.

It's not even close.