PostGame Thread 2024 OFFICIAL Postgame Thread: Patriots fall 28-22 to the Rams

[Real fan 02]

Judge and Patricia were "yes men". His kids by definition were "yes men". Heck, I'm starting to think Mayo was a "yes man" who just knew the right things to say to Kraft.

Mayo should have continued with the interview for DC in 2022.. it would have better prepared him to go elsewhere and then work his way into a HC opportunity.

 

[Real fan 02]

Judge and Patricia were "yes men". His kids by definition were "yes men". Heck, I'm starting to think Mayo was a "yes man" who just knew the right things to say to Kraft.

Ty law, Milloy, Bruschi, Johnson, mcginist, phifer, Washington I'm sure I'm missing more. We're here in 2000.. boy I wish we had anyone of the caliber now.

 

[bresna]

Judge and Patricia were "yes men". His kids by definition were "yes men". Heck, I'm starting to think Mayo was a "yes man" who just knew the right things to say to Kraft.

I would say that you haven't watched any of the videos circulating around over the years of Belichick and his coaching staff preparing for a game. It is clear from those videos that Belichick not only doesn't dictate their actions, he flat out expects them to do their job.

Did you see the video from the last Super Bowl win where they are discussing what to do at the end of a drive? Bill is talking about going for it. I think McDaniels is doing the same. Brady says, "Just kick it and we win". They kicked it and won.

 

[archstanton543]

I would say that you haven't watched any of the videos circulating around over the years of Belichick and his coaching staff preparing for a game. It is clear from those videos that Belichick not only doesn't dictate their actions, he flat out expects them to do their job.

Did you see the video from the last Super Bowl win where they are discussing what to do at the end of a drive? Bill is talking about going for it. I think McDaniels is doing the same. Brady says, "Just kick it and we win". They kicked it and won.

Have we seen any video of a similar situation with Mayo? If not we can't make assumptions as to his coaching style.

 

[bresna]

Have we seen any video of a similar situation with Mayo? If not we can't make assumptions as to his coaching style.

And what does this have to do with the assertion that Bill only hired "yes men"? I don't know what kind of coach Mayo is but it has no bearing on the discussion about Belichick's coaching style.

 

[archstanton543]

And what does this have to do with the assertion that Bill only hired "yes men"? I don't know what kind of coach Mayo is but it has no bearing on the discussion about Belichick's coaching style.

We don't have any video evidence of Mayo having yes men or not to compare to the video of BB.

 

[bresna]

Further, absolute power corrupts absolutely. We just saw that play out with Belichick. He surrounded himself with Yes Men and made numerous poor decisions in a row without a hierarchy to check and balance the equation. Why would we hurriedly place another individual into a similar situation?

We don't have any video evidence of Mayo having yes men or not to compare to the video of BB.

Again - what are you arguing here? I posted in response to PScottman's take that Bill Belichick only had "yes men" around him. You've somehow tried to turn it into a discussion of Mayo's coaching style, which has nothing to do with my comment.

I have no idea what the heck Mayo does with his staff nor do I have any idea if it's anything like what Bill did.

Is that clear enough?

 

[Ring 6]

Mayo might understand the Xs and Os from his playing days, but being a strategic thinker and knowing how best to apply the Xs and Os is different. For example, Zo on the radio understands the Xs and Os, but has no idea why certain formations are used in certain situations - Zo is not a strategic thinker. If you have not noticed, most coaches are not ex-players. Why is that? Because being a strategic thinker is more important to coaching than having played the game.

The Pats roster stinks, I agree, but I think we are all surprised to find out the coaching is worse than the roster.

The mental part of playing the game and coaching the game, designing and calling plays, being creative in schemes are just very different.
If it was as simple as “he’s a player he understands Xs and Os” they would all be great coaches. They aren’t all great coaches.

Understanding how to carry out what someone else thought up is entirely different than thinking up and teaching others how to carry it out.

I said all last year that with a competant QB this team would have won 10 games. Look back in the 6 games the defense was great and the offense non-existent and tell me we wouldn’t have won those with Maye. Are we losing 6-3, 10-6, 13-7 etc with Maye? Of course not. That shows how far the rest of the team has declined around the qb, with a very similar roster. Thats a coaching impact.
If we had brought back Mac jones instead of drafting Maye, there is a very good chance we are sitting at 0-11.

 

[sb1]

The mental part of playing the game and coaching the game, designing and calling plays, being creative in schemes are just very different.
If it was as simple as “he’s a player he understands Xs and Os” they would all be great coaches. They aren’t all great coaches.

Understanding how to carry out what someone else thought up is entirely different than thinking up and teaching others how to carry it out.

I said all last year that with a competant QB this team would have won 10 games. Look back in the 6 games the defense was great and the offense non-existent and tell me we wouldn’t have won those with Maye. Are we losing 6-3, 10-6, 13-7 etc with Maye? Of course not. That shows how far the rest of the team has declined around the qb, with a very similar roster. Thats a coaching impact.
If we had brought back Mac jones instead of drafting Maye, there is a very good chance we are sitting at 0-11.

The defense was “great” last year ya I can tell.

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nah they were ****e.

 

[dliverey44]

The defense was “great” last year ya I can tell.

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Saints 34-0 Patriots (Oct 8, 2023) Box Score - ESPN

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Dolphins 31-17 Patriots (Oct 29, 2023) Final Score - ESPN

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nah they were ****e.

I agree that they were not great, but last year they were handcuffed by the offense not sustaining drives, so they were on the field a lot it seemed. Last years defense played much better than this years defense. They were mediocre last year and below avg this year.

 

[PScottman]

That is one of the crappiest takes on Belichick's style that I've read in a while. Have you ever watched any videos of Belichick and his staff at work? Belichick and Brady working together? Belichick NEVER wanted "yes men". In fact, he was the exact opposite. Ernie Adams a "yes man"? C;mon.

Until the last four to five years of his career here I'd have agreed with you. Sorry, but after Adams and Scar and Weis and Romeo all left - the old Cleveland era type decisions returned - as others have mentioned Patricia, Judge, et al were 100% yes men who supported wholeheartedly bad ideas.

An organization that doesn't have an assessment system designed to challenge even top leadership and doesn't bring in outside ideas and thinking, often tends to stagnate - not adapting to new methods or worse thinking every single decision is the right one (like Patricia as OC just as one example).

That doesn't mean Belichick wasn't among the best to have ever done it. He was. But time always wins and no streak lasts forever. You can call it "crapppiest take" ever if you want, but I'm just gonna use the old school retort of 'results matter' regarding his last four years here. Even the best eventually come back to median.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The defense was “great” last year ya I can tell.

Cowboys 38-3 Patriots (Oct 1, 2023) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Dallas Cowboys vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 38-3, from October 1, 2023 on ESPN.

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Saints 34-0 Patriots (Oct 8, 2023) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the New Orleans Saints vs. New England Patriots NFL game from October 8, 2023 on ESPN. Includes all passing, rushing and receiving stats.

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Dolphins 31-17 Patriots (Oct 29, 2023) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the Miami Dolphins vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 31-17, from October 29, 2023 on ESPN.

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Jets 17-3 Patriots (Jan 7, 2024) Final Score - ESPN

Game summary of the New York Jets vs. New England Patriots NFL game, final score 17-3, from January 7, 2024 on ESPN.

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nah they were ****e.

This is typical for you. You love to look at the trees and miss the forest, and you think people are impressed with your tree gazing.

 

[1960Pats]

I guess we are just earlier in the rebuild than we hoped to be. It sometimes seems we have had to start all over for several years running now. I wish I were more confident that we have a good base in place at this point, but aside from Maye and a couple other players, I'm not so sure that we do. The roster is still historically weak, the jury is very much out on the new coaching team, the GM shows little sign of competence, and ownership lacks, it seems to me, the requisite sense of urgency to get the offense squared away while the defense is still serviceable and while Drake Maye's services can be secured at a bargain basement cost.

We should be thankful that it looks like they have the QB of the future.

 

[1960Pats]

QB is an important position in the NFL

QB's the most important position. We've gotten to the point now that in most games the winner is the team with the top QB. This past week was a great example.

 

[1960Pats]

It doesn't matter at all. You can have All-Pros. You can have marginal players. It doesn't matter.

If they're not in position, why does it matter?

If a player is out of position or taking dumb penalties that's on him, not the coaching.

 

[1960Pats]

1st paragraph: Not what I suggested, of course. If you can't argue the point honestly, why bother to comment at all?

2nd paragraph: Explain why - precisely - we must "resign ourselves" to the present situation.. Because "that's how it's done"? What nonsense. Because the Krafts are unwilling to consider they might have made a mistake and are too timid or besotted to say so? Is that really a valid argument? The usual argument is that Maye would somehow be traumatized or otherwise verklempt that his binky has been taken away. My proposal simply suggests that we ASK him if this is so. Look, there are risks/downsides to my proposal. I'm happy to address them, should you care to offer them. I might even in the end see the error of my ways. But I shouldn't have to argue with myself.

I was talking about the idea that Maye should help choose the coach he wants, which is what I was responding to.

I'm saying give Mayo and every other coach a chance. They're brand new at this.

 

[1960Pats]

This is typical for you. You love to look at the trees and miss the forest, and you think people are impressed with your tree gazing.

Speaking of trees, here's a pic of Bill's coaching tree...

 

[upstater1]

If a player is out of position or taking dumb penalties that's on him, not the coaching.

What about several players out of position on multiple plays?

Who is that on.

We saw it this weekend.

On the last 3 Rams TDs, players were way out of position. Mind you, I don't know what the defensive call is, all I see is a fee safety on the line of scrimmage. I see 2 defenders defending trips right. I see an all out blitz leaving a single CB back.

These are coaching errors, not player errors. Because you never saw anything like this in the past. Never mind seeing it 3x in a row on TDs.

 

[turkeyneck]

Mayo should have continued with the interview for DC in 2022.. it would have better prepared him to go elsewhere and then work his way into a HC opportunity.

He did not want to go elsewhere because elsewhere would have blown his cover - that he was just LARPing as a knowledgeable coach while Steve B did the heavy lifting. Staying here allowed him to parlay his poseur status to the next level.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Speaking of trees, here's a pic of Bill's coaching tree...

We all know you are a BB hater. No need to keep repeating yourself.