Who Do You Trust To Make The Staff Changes?

[mgteich]

Playoff run? Dude, you can't be serious. LOL, LOL, LOL

My position is that we are rebuilding to make a run at the playoffs in 2026, even 2025 if all goes right. This does depend on Wolf actually spending $100M of cap money in 2025 and lots more in 2026.


Is it your position that the team is so hopeless that a 2026 playoff run is not reasonable.

 

[mgteich]

This was a Top Defense and now it is a Bottom Defense. With our present coaching the defense will continue to suck. We have to change coaching if we want the defense to be good.

I do NOT believe that the primary reason for the failure of the Defense is coaching, even though I agree that Covington is unqualified and should be replaced.

Is coaching really expected to make this Defense a top Defense without Barmore, Judon, Bentley, Peppers and often Dugger?

Blaming the GM makes more sense, since Wolf should have signed an additional DL and LB in case of injury, or in case guys like Uche and McMillan didn't play very well. I see no reason why this Defense will not be much, much better with the return of the injured and with seval top additions.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I do NOT believe that the primary reason for the failure of the Defense is coaching, even though I agree that Covington is unqualified and should be replaced.

Is coaching really expected to make this Defense a top Defense without Barmore, Judon, Bentley, Peppers and often Dugger?

Blaming the GM makes more sense, since Wolf should have signed an additional DL and LB in case of injury, or in case guys like Uche and McMillan didn't play very well. I see no reason why this Defense will not be much, much better with the return of the injured and with seval top additions.

There will always be more injured players. Every year we have injuries. Nothing new. Last year we lost Gonzo, Judon, M Jones, and J Jones for awhile, and the D kept performing.

This year the D is not performing. Injuries do not help, but the coaching is so bad now we can't have any injuries or else the drop-off is major.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

My position is that we are rebuilding to make a run at the playoffs in 2026, even 2025 if all goes right. This does depend on Wolf actually spending $100M of cap money in 2025 and lots more in 2026.


Is it your position that the team is so hopeless that a 2026 playoff run is not reasonable.

It is my position that living in the future is silly. We have to fix today's problems before guessing at tomorrow's results. Make a list and fix the problems. Right now the problem list is too long for there to be any discussion of future playoffs.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

It is my position that living in the future is silly. We have to fix today's problems before guessing at tomorrow's results. Make a list and fix the problems. Right now the problem list is too long for there to be any discussion of future playoffs.

Now that Drake Maye is playing, the future is here. Wolf needs to act with urgency to get this team the talent that it needs if there is any hope of seeing the playoffs any time soon. As long as he is not mortgaging the future it is ok to quick fix some number of problems to jump start the rebuild.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Now that Drake Maye is playing, the future is here. Wolf needs to act with urgency to get this team the talent that it needs if there is any hope of seeing the playoffs any time soon. As long as he is not mortgaging the future it is ok to quick fix some number of problems to jump start the rebuild.

I agree that Wolf needs to have a really good free agency and draft, and I think we need to see a significant jump in the quality of play in 25’.

 

[mgteich]

It is my position that living in the future is silly. We have to fix today's problems before guessing at tomorrow's results. Make a list and fix the problems. Right now the problem list is too long for there to be any discussion of future playoffs.

fair enough

We have lots of needs, so we shouldn't bother considering the best ways to build a team to support Maye, planning over the next 3 years. I disagree.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

fair enough

We have lots of needs, so we shouldn't bother considering the best ways to build a team to support Maye, planning over the next 3 years. I disagree.

Planning for 3 to 5 years is fine. Talking about playoffs is distracting.

 

[mgteich]

Planning for 3 to 5 years is fine. Talking about playoffs is distracting.

fair enough

 

[mgteich]

I agree that Wolf needs to have a really good free agency and draft, and I think we need to see a significant jump in the quality of play in 25’.

This is true every year, especially for the 2-win teams.

I would add we need to see a significant jump in the quality of coaching and in the health of the roster.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This is true every year, especially for the 2-win teams.

I would add we need to see a significant jump in the quality of coaching and in the health of the roster.

I think Wolf was smart to sit out the last free agent market, it sucked.

 

[pats99]

Wolf drafted a potential superstar QB.

As bad as he's been, what did Grier get us? Damian Woody and a bag of footballs?

again, too mich credit here for that, he was by far the best avail pick at the time of draft after WIlliams and Daniels was gone. Even you would have made that pick, and you don't get paid millions of dollars to do so.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Kofi Kingston

 

[Huckleberry1]

again, too mich credit here for that, he was by far the best avail pick at the time of draft after WIlliams and Daniels was gone. Even you would have made that pick, and you don't get paid millions of dollars to do so.

********. If he turned out to be Zach Wilson the fans would have hung him. Belichick hated the pick, and almost half of this fan base wanted a trade down. You guys want to give him no credit but all the blame.

 

[dliverey44]

Yes, at mid-season, the 2024 draft after Round 1 looks much, much worse than the 2023 draft at the midway point. Is that your point? There are lots of semantics in trying to use one word to characterize the 2024 Draft after Round 1 at the mid-point of this season. Is that your point?
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Or is your point that we should be able to evaluate how good the Front Office is based on our 2024 mid-season record and poster evaluations of steps made so far?
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WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT VIEWS
I do NOT see anything that make me believe that the 2-4 year plan of the Fron Office is failing or that it is anything but just what we might have expected at this point. (and the coordinators are certainly being evaluated)

My personal view is to prefer to have a GM in charge, and for ownership to butt out for at least two years unless there is a total failure after two years. Even then, I would err on the side of giving the GM at additional year, after putting the GM on notice.
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BOTTOM LINE
Yes, I would have signed an additional one-year DL and LB for this year. Other than those lack of signings, the inability to prevent injuries, and the terrible choice of Okorafor, I like what Wolf has done.

The OFFENSE is right on schedule, except at OT. Maye is getting his experience. We have our 2 RB's and top TE for the playoff run. We are developing the threesome of Bourne, Boutte and Douglas. We will continue to evaluate Thornton, Polk and Baker. We have a very weak OL. However, according to plan, we are evaluating the youngsters: Wallace, Robinson, Brown and Jacobs. We have again tested the idea of Onwenu as our RT and found that he is NOT our future RT and is seriously needed as our RG. Hopefully, we will see Strange before the bye. We continue to find Sow and Jordan to be backups at best. IMO, we have a projected 2025 IOL of Strange, Andrews, and Onwenu.
IMO, that is NOT terrible. We have even found out that we likely have a continuing swing OT in Lowe (a major plus I think).

Every Sunday I have quite a visceral angry reaction to Wolfs lack of urgency toward the OL in FA. I agree that he hasn't been absolutely terrible, but he could have been better. Only bringing in Chuks and a draft pick to address the LT spot, assuming that you were counting on Owenu at RT. So his plan was Between Chuks, Lowe, Wheatley Jr, Calvin Anderson (who almost died last year), Andrew Steuber(who, IKR), and Wallace. I am not saying the answer to a starting LT was in FA and Lowe may have beat everyone out, but there was no effort made. This is aside from thinking that they needed to do something for the defense.

 

[dliverey44]

I think Wolf was smart to sit out the last free agent market, it sucked.

I agree it was smart not to spend tons of money on, but to only bring in Chuks and a rook to be the LT is super neglectful. The ****ty OT FA class may not have had a better answer than Lowe, but to go into the season with only Lowe, A dude that almost died last year, Wheatley Jr, Steuber is very neglectful and I can't be convinced that is was a good idea. a few more options would not have cost much money. I do like how he has been tinkering with the PS. I think the thing that bothers me most is that he was like sure these are ****ty options and it seems like IDGAF but we are not going to play Maye anyway. He was more than willing to let JB or some other poor schmuck take an absolute ass kicking for 17 football games.

Maybe I am being unresonable, but after 20 years of being in the military and having to depend on someone else to give 100% effort in their job so we can complete a mission is very important to me. And if I see someone that does less than a half assed plan puts me beyond irate, especially when it affects another unit(position group in this case).

Sure maybe I need more counseling but I am ****ing livid with Wolf.

 

[mgteich]

I agree it was smart not to spend tons of money on, but to only bring in Chuks and a rook to be the LT is super neglectful. The ****ty OT FA class may not have had a better answer than Lowe, but to go into the season with only Lowe, A dude that almost died last year, Wheatley Jr, Steuber is very neglectful and I can't be convinced that is was a good idea. a few more options would not have cost much money. I do like how he has been tinkering with the PS. I think the thing that bothers me most is that he was like sure these are ****ty options and it seems like IDGAF but we are not going to play Maye anyway. He was more than willing to let JB or some other poor schmuck take an absolute ass kicking for 17 football games.

Maybe I am being unresonable, but after 20 years of being in the military and having to depend on someone else to give 100% effort in their job so we can complete a mission is very important to me. And if I see someone that does less than a half assed plan puts me beyond irate, especially when it affects another unit(position group in this case).

Sure maybe I need more counseling but I am ****ing livid with Wolf.

YES, even I would have liked us to sign one of old beaten up veterans when Lowe was injured early in the year.

We all probably would have liked Wolf to sign an additional LT free agent and spent the additional $5M-$10M for one year of service. Now, we have the absolutely terrible result of having that money available in 2025.

Yes, and we might have spent money on a WR or a LB. In either case, any money spent for 2024 services would be unavailable for 2025.

Basically, Wolf decided to save $30M of cap money and use it in 2025 and 2026 instead of this year. Consider than next year when we are able to sign an additional player of two next year with the money we might have spent on 2024 services.

THAT BEING SAID
Okorafor was a terrible choice. It just doesn't work to expect a RT to start at LT/
Wallace was a terrible choice. It just doesn't work to expect a rookie who has always been a RT to be a serious backup at LT as a rookie.
Had we spent the extra money, we would have won an extra game or two or three.
Robinson was a good choice in the 4th.
Drafting Polk and Baker was a poor use of #34. I would have drafted a defensive player. IMO, there was no player on Offense worth #34.

 

[pats99]

********. If he turned out to be Zach Wilson the fans would have hung him. Belichick hated the pick, and almost half of this fan base wanted a trade down. You guys want to give him no credit but all the blame.

so I guess you wouldnt have picked Maye. Oh my bad !!

 

[upstater1]

********. If he turned out to be Zach Wilson the fans would have hung him. Belichick hated the pick, and almost half of this fan base wanted a trade down. You guys want to give him no credit but all the blame.

I thought the pick was obvious. It would have been professional suicide not to make it. As for Belichick, he hated the pick? Where did you see that? I recall him saying Maye was green and not ready, but then he said he had all the tools. He complimented Maye's assets as being top notch but said his tape didn't show him reading defenses.

 

[stinkypete]

I am far from thrilled with Wolf. Maye aside, last offseason was trash.

That said, it's time to kill the narrative that we didn't do enough to address the OL in free agency? What better option was available? How is Tyron Smith holding up in New York? How many games has Jonah Williams even appeared in? How much better did Robert Hunt make the Panthers offense? All the options were bad.

What do y'all seriously expect? Is Wolf supposed to do an inception on Dan Campbell and convince him in a dream to trade Penei Sewell for a 5th?