Kraft regrets giving Belichick so much power without “checks and balances” in place.

[notex]

We've been extraordinarily lucky to have had Brady and Bill to talk for the team for so long. Most teams have owners like this, where fans wish they would talk less.

Agreed. Kraft seems like a nice enough fella... but the success can be 100% attributed to BB/Brady.

 

[DaBruinz]

F.U. Robert. This 20/20 hindsight crap you're pulling after BB made you Billions is ridiculous.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agreed. Kraft seems like a nice enough fella... but the success can be 100% attributed to BB/Brady.

Yes and no. It's the same logic I apply to BB and Brady. BB drafted, developed and surrounded Tom with talent, coaching and an offensive scheme that allowed him to excel.

Robert provided the same thing for BB. Recognized his vision and ability to coach. Stable ownership. Financially strong. Support for how he wanted to run the football ops. I firmly believe without stable, patient ownership, an NFL team cannot have sustained success.

The problem is with Orchids and his ego. It's obvious he feels not properly recognized by the NFL community for his accomplishments while Jerruh is in the HoF for not having won a SB since the Clinton Administration.

 

[pctronics0072]

Yes and no. It's the same logic I apply to BB and Brady. BB drafted, developed and surrounded Tom with talent, coaching and an offensive scheme that allowed him to excel.

Robert provided the same thing for BB. Recognized his vision and ability to coach. Stable ownership. Financially strong. Support for how he wanted to run the football ops. I firmly believe without stable, patient ownership, an NFL team cannot have sustained success.

The problem is with Orchids and his ego. It's obvious he feels not properly recognized by the NFL community for his accomplishments while Jerruh is in the HoF for not having won a SB since the Clinton Administration.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. I think Goondell had more to do with the Pats success than hand-job Bob.

 

[signbabybrady]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. I think Goondell had more to do with the Pats success than hand-job Bob.

This seems like a very strange post you're going to have to explain your logic on this one?

 

[RobertWeathers]

This seems like a very strange post you're going to have to explain your logic on this one?

I thought "Hand-Job Bob" was pretty funny.

 

[lancerman]

Every HoF coach had a successful QB. Every SB winning QB had a great roster surrounding him.

That doesn’t affect my point though. Why does Bill have such a chasm with and without his HOF QB compared to other guys.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That doesn’t affect my point though. Why does Bill have such a chasm with and without his HOF QB compared to other guys.

Which other guys are you referring to?

 

[Ring 6]

That doesn’t affect my point though. Why does Bill have such a chasm with and without his HOF QB compared to other guys.

He doesn’t. Take away any other coaches best years and players and they are not successful either.

 

[lancerman]

So Brady staying for 19 years is largely a result of Belichick too, then, right?

After all Brady calls him the greatest coach ever and says he would never have accomplished what he did without Belichick.

Belichick deserves credit for going with Brady when he did. He deserves blame for undervaluing him and trying to walk him out the door in 2014, 2017 and finally doing it in 2020 without realizing just how much of his own success was generated by Brady. There’s other HOF coaches that have had success without their star HOF QB and didn’t fall as low as Bill did at both the start and ends of his career.

 

[Ring 6]

Belichick deserves credit for going with Brady when he did. He deserves blame for undervaluing him and trying to walk him out the door in 2014, 2017 and finally doing it in 2020 without realizing just how much of his own success was generated by Brady. There’s other HOF coaches that have had success without their star HOF QB and didn’t fall as low as Bill did at both the start and ends of his career.

He deserves credit for building a team that won more than any team ever has.

He did not try to get rid of Brady in 2014 or 2017, that’s ********.

Isn’t it funny how Kraft says he negotiated all of Brady’s contracts personally, but people think he left because belichick wouldn’t pay him?

What coaches won without their best players?

 

[lancerman]

Which other guys are you referring to?

Reid, Landry, Noll, Brown just off the top of my head had extended periods of time without their HOF signature QB and the results were far better than what Bill did in his 11 seasons without Brady.

It’s one thing to give Bill credit for his time here. But if he’s going to be some beyond reproach figure that the owner and others can’t point out flaws in, then let’s take an honest look at his whole resume and not just the period of success from Brady’s first and last starts with the team.

Like yeah, Bill had problems and a lot of them were covered up by Brady, he’s the reason Brady wasn’t here in the end, and he proved a lot of what Kraft said when he made highly questionable decisions that blew up on the team after he didn’t have his QB to smooth them over. There was a problem with how much power he had.

 

[XLIX]

I agree. No big deal - I couldn't care less. You might have missed the point of the question.

Why does a lonely old billionaire in a Bentley frequent a strip mall for consenual gratification when he might end up in a court of law? Might it make more sense to hire a sugar baby GF which is more convenient and avoids the possibility of illegal activity?

The reason to go to the strip mall is becasue it is much cheaper.

You look foolish trying to attach logical reasoning to one's sexual proclivities. Why does a handsome, young actor dating a supermodel go onto the streets of Hollywood and solicit the ugliest, skankiest hoe imaginable? Why does a billionaire music mogul host parties where people are drugged and raped, including minors?

As illogical as this sounds, to some people, the risk of "getting caught" heightens the excitement. There is neither rhyme nor reason attached to the things which turn people on and it is foolhardy to try and make logical sense of it all.

 

[lancerman]

He deserves credit for building a team that won more than any team ever has.

He did not try to get rid of Brady in 2014 or 2017, that’s ********.

Isn’t it funny how Kraft says he negotiated all of Brady’s contracts personally, but people think he left because belichick wouldn’t pay him?

What coaches won without their best players?

It’s well documented why Brady left. We know what his reasons were and Bill’s role in it.

Plenry of coaches had more than 3 winning seasons and 2 playoff appearances with 1 playoff without their best player. With Bill you have 18 years with Brady and 11 without him to compare. It’s not just a decline, it’s an all time great and a straight up bad body of work. I listed other all time greats who did far better when they didn’t have their best QB.

 

[Ring 6]

It’s well documented why Brady left. We know what his reasons were and Bill’s role in it.

Plenry of coaches had more than 3 winning seasons and 2 playoff appearances with 1 playoff without their best player. With Bill you have 18 years with Brady and 11 without him to compare. It’s not just a decline, it’s an all time great and a straight up bad body of work. I listed other all time greats who did far better when they didn’t have their best QB.

No, there were rumors. Brady stayed 19 years, so I guess belichick gets all the credit for keeping him here?

Every coach has ups and downs. None had the sustained success that belichick did at the level he did it. Every coach does worse when he doesn’t have his best players, no other staged in top ad long.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Look in the mirror Bob, you were supposed to be the checks and balances.

Instead......you've been guzzlin Viagra and humping anything that moved while hoarding your shekels.

Hoarding your shekels is a new one. Glad the "cheap Jew" trope is evolving

 

[lancerman]

No, there were rumors. Brady stayed 19 years, so I guess belichick gets all the credit for keeping him here?

Every coach has ups and downs. None had the sustained success that belichick did at the level he did it. Every coach does worse when he doesn’t have his best players, no other staged in top ad long.

Listen if you want to put your head in the sand on why Brady left with he clearly laid out his reasons and also ignore the resume of other HOF coaches that had substantial careers without their top QB, that’s on you. I’m not interested in having an argument with someone who wants to be ignorant.

 

[signbabybrady]

It’s well documented why Brady left. We know what his reasons were and Bill’s role in it.

Plenry of coaches had more than 3 winning seasons and 2 playoff appearances with 1 playoff without their best player. With Bill you have 18 years with Brady and 11 without him to compare. It’s not just a decline, it’s an all time great and a straight up bad body of work. I listed other all time greats who did far better when they didn’t have their best QB.

This stuff gets tiresome.

Every coach has their own tale. There are some that managed to do well with multiple QBs and that's to their credit.

There is no denying Bill got the greatest player of all time.

But the key is he didn't waste it and he won more than anyone else with that golden goose.

There are many other coaches who got Great QBs and none came close to winning as many Super Bowls.

 

[Ring 6]

Reid, Landry, Noll, Brown just off the top of my head had extended periods of time without their HOF signature QB and the results were far better than what Bill did in his 11 seasons without Brady.

It’s one thing to give Bill credit for his time here. But if he’s going to be some beyond reproach figure that the owner and others can’t point out flaws in, then let’s take an honest look at his whole resume and not just the period of success from Brady’s first and last starts with the team.

Like yeah, Bill had problems and a lot of them were covered up by Brady, he’s the reason Brady wasn’t here in the end, and he proved a lot of what Kraft said when he made highly questionable decisions that blew up on the team after he didn’t have his QB to smooth them over. There was a problem with how much power he had.

Landry coached 7 years without a playoff win and won 1 playoff game in his first 10. He ended his career with 1 playoff berth in his last 6 seasons and no playoff wins. Landry won 0 playoff games in 18 of his 29 years.

Noll missed the playoffs in 11 of his 23 years. He went 12-30 in his first 3 seasons. He went 60-67 in his last 8 seasons.

Paul Browns coaching career began when there were 8 teams and ended over 60 years ago when there were 14. He never won a championship without Otto graham

You are wrong.

 

[Ring 6]

Listen if you want to put your head in the sand on why Brady left with he clearly laid out his reasons and also ignore the resume of other HOF coaches that had substantial careers without their top QB, that’s on you. I’m not interested in having an argument with someone who wants to be ignorant.

I have no problem with the coaching that led to 6 SB wins causing an aging Brady to want to go somewhere else where it’s more fun. It worked for 19 years. Thats longer than it has worked anywhere for anyone.

You listed 3 coaches and they do not fit your claims.
That is ignorance.