Godchaux - "Guys being kind of Selfish" - so... Who's Freelancing

[Pape]

So you are criticizing others takes, but what real fan 02’ says makes you think Mayo is a ****y? I didn’t realize message board fans had that kind of clout?

Yeah it does make me think he's a ****y and more so weak between the ears. A coach not able to make his own decisions? Loser.

 

[signbabybrady]

Get off the "collaborative" approach train... It's what happens on every team. It's not new, it's not unique and it has been done before.

The more you say it, the way you say it makes me think jerod Mayo is a ****y

Wolf and/or Mayo are the ones that first called the process a collaboration. When I use that term I'm not calling anyone a ****y I promise you that. Mocking it a little for sure but I don't see the issue of collaboration being weakness as much as I am concerned about the old back stairs stuff that went on in the late 90s.

 

[Pape]

I see.. well if a coach has the offense Detroit has he should be a wanted coach. He'd look no different here under the circumstances. In many ways they are lucky to have mayo.

He turned Jared Goff into a viable pro.

 

[Pape]

Wolf and/or Mayo are the ones that first called the process a collaboration. When I use that term I'm not calling anyone a ****y I promise you that. Mocking it a little for sure but I don't see the issue of collaboration being weakness as much as I am concerned about the old back stairs stuff that went on in the late 90s.

If you are that deep into it, letting others call your shots, what are you? A puppet.

I don't want a guy like that as our head coach because we will be doing the same same thing again in three years.

Mayo needs to sink or swim on his own. Sure, collaborate on the 90, even the 53. But the starting 22? Fts

 

[Huckleberry1]

The article does not say what you claim about Maye. What's up with that?

If that is truly how jerod Mayo works he needs to be fired.

He will never be a winning coach.

Pape, we are talking about one player, I seriously doubt that Wolf is micromanaging Mayo’s decisions, they are simply being careful about the player they want to be the future of their franchise. And I gave you the quote about the decision on Maye being a collaborative one.

 

[Huckleberry1]

If you are that deep into it, letting others call your shots, what are you? A puppet.

I don't want a guy like that as our head coach because we will be doing the same same thing again in three years.

Mayo needs to sink or swim on his own. Sure, collaborate on the 90, even the 53. But the starting 22? Fts

I don’t think Wolf is interfering with any of Mayo’s decisions other than when Maye is ready to start. And I don’t think that makes Mayo a puppet in any way. Once they agree that it’s time for Maye to play then it will be Mayo’s call from there on out.

 

[Real fan 02]

He turned Jared Goff into a viable pro.

Goff made a superbowl before he got traded a and led a historic NFL offense.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Why would you want Josh McDaniels as your OC when's he's proven multiple times he can't run an offense without Tom Brady?

Former players on the Broncos called this guy a fraud and his recent disaster in LV pretty much put the nail in the coffin for his career.

A former poster took **** on the daily for saying he was a bad OC, but turned out to be spot on.

This plus the fact he was getting stale there for a bit. Wildly predictable and vanilla. Jet sweep coming!

 

[Pape]

Goff made a superbowl before he got traded a and led a historic NFL offense.

really?

His rams tenure was defined by the McVay hand holding. Under Johnson he's become a very good quarterback.

Ben Johnson coming here? I'm good with it. I don't think he will. I think Mayo has a long leash in New England, and unfortunately he hasn't shown much of anything. Does not mean he cannot turn things around. Time will tell.

 

[Pape]

I don’t think Wolf is interfering with any of Mayo’s decisions other than when Maye is ready to start. And I don’t think that makes Mayo a puppet in any way. Once they agree that it’s time for Maye to play then it will be Mayo’s call from there on out.

Okay... to clarify a few things

I do not have a problem with the Patriots not playing Maye. Given the current state of the roster, its the right decision.

I do have a problem with Mayo not being the one making the decision. That is his job, ti make those decisions.
I do have an issue with Wolf being part of any decision on who plays who doesn't. That is not his job. That is not the role of a GM.

While GMs and coaches work in collaboration all over the league, its up to - or it should be - the coach to make the who plays who sits decisions. He and his staff are the guys with boots on the ground, working with the players on a day in day out basis. The GM is not there, and cannot make an informed decision.

If this is whats going on, the front office of the Patriots is a mess.

 

[Real fan 02]

really?

His rams tenure was defined by the McVay hand holding. Under Johnson he's become a very good quarterback.

Ben Johnson coming here? I'm good with it. I don't think he will. I think Mayo has a long leash in New England, and unfortunately he hasn't shown much of anything. Does not mean he cannot turn things around. Time will tell.

Yes really Pape. That rams offense was historic so I give him credit for that he was the the QB.. I will maintain saying this... under the terms and conditions my guy mayo has agreed to with the roster structure set up no other HC candidates are coming here. We'll wolf chose to start Brissett so let see how it looks when a real QB plays. I believe in mayo he will become a great coach in my humble opinion.

 

[Pape]

Yes really Pape. That rams offense was historic so I give him credit for that he was the the QB.. I will maintain saying this... under the terms and conditions my guy mayo has agreed to with the roster structure set up no other HC candidates are coming here. We'll wolf chose to start Brissett so let see how it looks when a real QB plays. I believe in mayo he will become a great coach in my humble opinion.

Historic offense? The 2018 Rams? How so?

and the way you describe the Patriots front office makes me think that Mayo wasnt a choice. He was the only guy that would take the job. Thats a loser.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Okay... to clarify a few things

I do not have a problem with the Patriots not playing Maye. Given the current state of the roster, its the right decision.

I do have a problem with Mayo not being the one making the decision. That is his job, ti make those decisions.
I do have an issue with Wolf being part of any decision on who plays who doesn't. That is not his job. That is not the role of a GM.

While GMs and coaches work in collaboration all over the league, its up to - or it should be - the coach to make the who plays who sits decisions. He and his staff are the guys with boots on the ground, working with the players on a day in day out basis. The GM is not there, and cannot make an informed decision.

If this is whats going on, the front office of the Patriots is a mess.

I agree overall, just not on the decision as to when Maye is ready to start. Once the decision is made that he’s ready then it’s Mayo’s decision from there on out.

Getting a franchise QB is the most important decision a team makes, they don’t just have to have the physical tools, but they also have to have the character and mental make up to succeed in a really tough position. They are really hard to find, which is why they always go at the top of the draft, even when there are higher rated players on the board. It also means that you have to project prospects, and take them even when you know they aren’t ready to start yet. Maye only had 24 starts between high school and starting his pro career, and it’s a huge jump from North Carolina to the NFL. He also had mechanical issues that needed to be worked out. So while I agree that the coach should be making the calls on who starts or doesn’t, I think a rookie QB is the one exception to that, as the coach is always going to play the player who gives them the best shot at winning, as that is what protects their job. And there are times when what is best for the franchise is more important than what is best for the coach.

I believe Maye gives them the best chance of winning, and I obviously want them to win, but I don’t want them to start him until they really believe he is ready to start, and given the state of their OL, especially when the QB has to make the OL adjustments, I just don’t see him being ready to do that yet. But once they agree that he’s ready to be the starter then Wolf should leave the decision to Mayo from that point forward.

 

[Pape]

I agree overall, just not on the decision as to when Maye is ready to start. Once the decision is made that he’s ready then it’s Mayo’s decision from there on out.

Getting a franchise QB is the most important decision a team makes, they don’t just have to have the physical tools, but they also have to have the character and mental make up to succeed in a really tough position. They are really hard to find, which is why they always go at the top of the draft, even when there are higher rated players on the board. It also means that you have to project prospects, and take them even when you know they aren’t ready to start yet. Maye only had 24 starts between high school and starting his pro career, and it’s a huge jump from North Carolina to the NFL. He also had mechanical issues that needed to be worked out. So while I agree that the coach should be making the calls on who starts or doesn’t, I think a rookie QB is the one exception to that, as the coach is always going to play the player who gives them the best shot at winning, as that is what protects their job. And there are times when what is best for the franchise is more important than what is best for the coach.

I believe Maye gives them the best chance of winning, and I obviously want them to win, but I don’t want them to start him until they really believe he is ready to start, and given the state of their OL, especially when the QB has to make the OL adjustments, I just don’t see him being ready to do that yet. But once they agree that he’s ready to be the starter then Wolf should leave the decision to Mayo from that point forward.

Ivan I am not disagreeing with sitting Maye. And you are correct that getting the QB right is the most important job of a franchise.

I am worried that Mayo is not the one making the start / sit decisions for this roster. That is an untenable position for the team to be in. And if that is the case, Mayo will quickly lose the respect of team and eventually the locker room. It is inevitable. If guys know that he is not the one making the call, why would anyone listen to him?

He already has issues. He talks too much. His statements are contradictory, and some of them can best be described as nebulous. I am teetering on the edge of thinking the Mayo hire is bordering on disastrous only four games into his tenure.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Historic offense? The 2018 Rams? How so?

and the way you describe the Patriots front office makes me think that Mayo wasnt a choice. He was the only guy that would take the job. Thats a loser.

Even though Kraft told everyone he wanted Belichick to collaborate Belichick is a control freak, and I don’t believe he ever followed Kraft’s dictum. I’m sure he had scouts and others weigh in, and he even went along with it when Wolf made a really good trade to get Barmore. But ultimately Belichick always did what he wanted to, and since they got 6 Lombardi’s out of it I can’t really ***** about that. And when it came to the Mayo hire I don’t believe Kraft collaborated with anyone, I think he decided on Mayo by himself long before it ever came to fruition. And I think it was essentially a power move by Kraft in relation to Belichick always ignoring him and doing what he wanted. So by announcing that Mayo would make a great replacement for Belichick he was setting the stage to fire Belichick in advance.

Mayo is really bright and likable guy, and he could end up being a good head coach, but he could also end up busting, and going back to a coordinator somewhere else. He definitely has the football knowledge, but there is so much more that goes into it , and much of it out of his control, that it’s impossible to say right now whether he will succeed or not. I didn’t like him saying that Van Prlt is the head coach of the offense, as he is ultimately accountable for their whole performance as a team. But I also think that the Lazar report of “ mutiny” was complete and utter ********. Lazar may have had a point if defenders were calling out the offense, but players on the same unit calling out those ignoring their assignments is leadership, not mutiny. And the use of Douglas an example was really lame given that he apologized fully and immediately for his conduct.

Ultimately both Mayo and Wolf have a tremendous amount at stake in Drake Maye, which isn’t surprising, as the success or failure of a franchise QB prospect often determines the fate of GM’s and coaches. And although I want him to sit for a season I think we will see Maye if they can get the OL to a point where it is at least functional, but I don’t think there can be any real judgement on Maye, Mayo, and Wolf until at least the end of the 25’ season, and I would actually give it until the end of the 26’ season to make a real judgement on them. We will see what happens, but that’s where I stand on all that is going on with the Patriots.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ivan when was Ron Wolf the gm in green bay?
1991-2000

Which rookie quarterback did he sit? None. In fact he traded for Favre.who started his very first season in Green Bay.

So, when someone tells you "he learned this from his father" you will know they are full of **** because it did not happen.

Good call. I have always been of the belief that it was Wolf who drafted Rodgers and had him sit, but I never went and looked at the timeline. It has always been referred to as the Green Bay model, and I thought Ron Wolf had been there much longer than 2000.

 

[Pape]

Good call. I have always been of the belief that it was Wolf who drafted Rodgers and had him sit, but I never went and looked at the timeline. It has always been referred to as the Green Bay model, and I thought Ron Wolf had been there much longer than 2000.

He didn't learn it from his father. But he was there with Ted Thompson, who did make those types of moves.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ivan I am not disagreeing with sitting Maye. And you are correct that getting the QB right is the most important job of a franchise.

I am worried that Mayo is not the one making the start / sit decisions for this roster. That is an untenable position for the team to be in. And if that is the case, Mayo will quickly lose the respect of team and eventually the locker room. It is inevitable. If guys know that he is not the one making the call, why would anyone listen to him?

He already has issues. He talks too much. His statements are contradictory, and some of them can best be described as nebulous. I am teetering on the edge of thinking the Mayo hire is bordering on disastrous only four games into his tenure.

Pape, I honestly think the Maye decision is the only decision Wolf is involved in, I think everything else is Mayo and his coaches. I agree that Mayo says too much, but I think that is in part due to his personality, and in part because we are both used to Belichick being a total **** and saying nothing, and in part Kraft wanting the head coach to be much more open and media friendly. But overall I’m not concerned with that, as I think it will be a growing pain. What I am going to judge Mayo on this season is how hard they play, and execution in terms of penalties and managing the game, although the latter will really only be at play when they are actually in games at the end. Next season is when I plan on holding Mayo more accountable for their wins and losses, I want them to be in the hint for a playoff spot, and in 26’ I exprct them to be in the play offs and winning at least a game in the play offs. After that I expect them to be a real contender for a Lombardi for years to come. They will need to be beating the best teams, and going on deep play off runs. I have never believed in the load up for a Lombardi approach, as the Jets are trying to pull off, I believe that you win championships by getting to the tournament year after year, and giving yourself the best shot each time. I do believe in making moves to put your team over the top once you are a contender, but not the approach of putting all your eggs in one basket for a one or two year shot at winning it all. I don’t believe the Jets will win a Lombardi with Rodgers, and I think they will sink like a stone in a year or two. I also think the timing for the Patriots, if they do rise up, will be really good. I think both the Jets and Dolphins are going to sink in a year or two, and Buffalo will be the competition to win the East. We’ll see how it all works out, but that’s what I’m hoping for.

 

[Pape]

Pape, I honestly think the Maye decision is the only decision Wolf is involved in, I think everything else is Mayo and his coaches.

Fair enough.

This bothers me to no end though.

 

[Real fan 02]

Historic offense? The 2018 Rams? How so?

and the way you describe the Patriots front office makes me think that Mayo wasnt a choice. He was the only guy that would take the job. Thats a loser.

The job was already his. Remember the contract had a successor clause like Josh had when he spurred indy.. and yes that season the Rams were putting up numbers on teams.. thier offense was magnificent. Maybe not historic so to speak but that Rams team was dam good on offense and defense. On Mayo we already knew something was up when he was asked not to take interviews with the Browns, Ravens and I believe the Falcons for DC positions. The pot was sweetened for him by RK.