Godchaux - "Guys being kind of Selfish" - so... Who's Freelancing

[Huckleberry1]

The decision is strictly on Mayo... I am sure he gets input, but in the end, its his team... If he is not determining who is starting, who isn't, then he should not be the head coach. That is straight out of Football for Dummies.

I get the collaborative narrative has been pushed all year since the hiring, but at some point collaboration does not work and decisions need to be made. He is the decision maker. If he isn't, why is he here?

I think that’s the case with everyone but Maye. I think it was an organizational decision that Maye was going to sit until he was ready when they drafted him. I think Mayo would love to play him but Wolf wants him to stick to the plan. Everything else Mayo makes the call on.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Godsmack should keep his mouth shut given he was mouthing off for a new contract, but now he's complaining knowing what he was signing up for.

 

[signbabybrady]

Godsmack should keep his mouth shut given he was mouthing off for a new contract, but now he's complaining knowing what he was signing up for.

He's one of the few players playing well

 

[Pape]

I think that’s the case with everyone but Maye. I think it was an organizational decision that Maye was going to sit until he was ready when they drafted him. I think Mayo would love to play him but Wolf wants him to stick to the plan. Everything else Mayo makes the call on.

Imo you are incorrect.

I think this is Mayo putting himself in the line of fire. This is his decision. It's also why, realizing no one may agree with me, I have not lost faith in him as the head coach.

Bad news has circled this team. It abated in week one because we caught Cincy napping. But ever since, its grown almost exponentially, culminating in the "mutiny" post by Lazar. It's a rocky road he's been walking. He has held steadfast to his plan to play Maye when he feels he is ready. The easy way out is to play him. He hasn't. That I respect.

Wolf has nothing to do with it at all.

Just my opinion. Ymmv

 

[Huckleberry1]

Imo you are incorrect.

I think this is Mayo putting himself in the line of fire. This is his decision. It's also why, realizing no one may agree with me, I have not lost faith in him as the head coach.

Bad news has circled this team. It abated in week one because we caught Cincy napping. But ever since, its grown almost exponentially, culminating in the "mutiny" post by Lazar. It's a rocky road he's been walking. He has held steadfast to his plan to play Maye when he feels he is ready. The easy way out is to play him. He hasn't. That I respect.

Wolf has nothing to do with it at all.

Just my opinion. Ymmv

It’s just my opinion as well, I don’t have anything to back it up with. I agree that if he’s doing it on his own he deserves a great deal of respect for it.

 

[Real fan 02]

Imo you are incorrect.

I think this is Mayo putting himself in the line of fire. This is his decision. It's also why, realizing no one may agree with me, I have not lost faith in him as the head coach.

Bad news has circled this team. It abated in week one because we caught Cincy napping. But ever since, its grown almost exponentially, culminating in the "mutiny" post by Lazar. It's a rocky road he's been walking. He has held steadfast to his plan to play Maye when he feels he is ready. The easy way out is to play him. He hasn't. That I respect.

Wolf has nothing to do with it at all.

Just my opinion. Ymmv

I tend to agree that yes he deserves a great deal of respect to hold fast "if" it's his decision alone.. however if, if's were a 5th we'd all be drunk. Lol.. I go back to the draft when the decision was made to draft Drake as a " development "..

What's complicated thing's in my humble opinion is the state of the OL, and the fact that Maye ascending faster than the organization belive he would. But overall I agree with you assessment.

 

[Pape]

I tend to agree that yes he deserves a great deal of respect to hold fast "if" it's his decision alone.. however if, if's were a 5th we'd all be drunk. Lol.. I go back to the draft when the decision was made to draft Drake as a " development "..

What's complicated thing's in my humble opinion is the state of the OL, and the fact that Maye ascending faster than the organization belive he would. But overall I agree with you assessment.

I was a proponent of playing whoever we got in the draft in March. What was the point of not playing the number 3 overall? Lot of that came from us bringing in Jaocby Brissett. I did not want him. Still dont. Pointless signing. Zappe could be doing exactly the same damn nothing we are getting from JB at 1/4 the cost. Add to that we did not address the OL in the draft, and the additions in FA were basically border line depth pieces. That changed my tune. Drafting Maye as a prospect had some influence on my changing opinion not to play him right away thinking we might have gotten the cat Washington picked up, but it was more about the team around him because you want to do your best to give them the chance to succeed. But i'm just some guy opining on a message board. What I say and think means nothing.

Mayo is the coach. He puts together the roster, who starts, who sits, who's active, who's inactive. You say "if" it's his decision alone. It is his decision alone. What will happen if he "goes rogue" and installs DM as the starter? Nothing. Think RKK is going to fire him? And once that bell is rung, it can't be unrung. Maye gets a non-injury start? Then he is the starter. Eliot Wolf is not pulling the strings on who starts who sits because he does not have the leverage. No GM does. I don't know where that idea came from, but its ridiculous.

If the Organization - ie. the front office & ownership - had their druthers, Maye would be starting. The chaos and negative energy coming from starting Slowcoby over The Rookie™ is everywhere. If RKK loves anything, its positive press. And starting Maye would change the narrative of the team immediately. That's why I think (this is my opinion - ymmv ) Mayo and Mayo alone is making the call to sit Maye, no one else.

 

[Real fan 02]

I was a proponent of playing whoever we got in the draft in March. What was the point of not playing the number 3 overall? Lot of that came from us bringing in Jaocby Brissett. I did not want him. Still dont. Pointless signing. Zappe could be doing exactly the same damn nothing we are getting from JB at 1/4 the cost. Add to that we did not address the OL in the draft, and the additions in FA were basically border line depth pieces. That changed my tune. Drafting Maye as a prospect had some influence on my changing opinion not to play him right away thinking we might have gotten the cat Washington picked up, but it was more about the team around him because you want to do your best to give them the chance to succeed. But i'm just some guy opining on a message board. What I say and think means nothing.

Mayo is the coach. He puts together the roster, who starts, who sits, who's active, who's inactive. You say "if" it's his decision alone. It is his decision alone. What will happen if he "goes rogue" and installs DM as the starter? Nothing. Think RKK is going to fire him? And once that bell is rung, it can't be unrung. Maye gets a non-injury start? Then he is the starter. Eliot Wolf is not pulling the strings on who starts who sits because he does not have the leverage. No GM does. I don't know where that idea came from, but its ridiculous.

If the Organization - ie. the front office & ownership - had their druthers, Maye would be starting. The chaos and negative energy coming from starting Slowcoby over The Rookie™ is everywhere. If RKK loves anything, its positive press. And starting Maye would change the narrative of the team immediately. That's why I think (this is my opinion - ymmv ) Mayo and Mayo alone is making the call to sit Maye, no one else.

I'm with you brother and I appreciate your insights that was very, very good details and well put. As for me I go back to the set up. Once everyone's role was defined. Wolf had "final " say on the roster. What does final say entail? It's not clear. Yes Mayo's the HC and runs the team. However the entire message has been collaborative approach. That is how ownership wants it. Since bill they don't want to empower just one person with so much power against.

Mayo saying we.. well I decided Brissett is the starter, then saying what is good to start the season may not be for what's good for the tram weeks from now. So yes while Mayo's the boss I just still be he likely has to consult with Wolf on roster related things. I will stand by this.. if the OL was decent enough maye would be starting. Brissett is here because AVP wanted him. Mayo preached competition that is how any NFL player wins a job by earning it. Drake earned the job, how his organization knows they don't have enough to support him to maximize his abilities. Alot of this has to do with Mac's situation fresh on thier minds.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I was a proponent of playing whoever we got in the draft in March. What was the point of not playing the number 3 overall? Lot of that came from us bringing in Jaocby Brissett. I did not want him. Still dont. Pointless signing. Zappe could be doing exactly the same damn nothing we are getting from JB at 1/4 the cost. Add to that we did not address the OL in the draft, and the additions in FA were basically border line depth pieces. That changed my tune. Drafting Maye as a prospect had some influence on my changing opinion not to play him right away thinking we might have gotten the cat Washington picked up, but it was more about the team around him because you want to do your best to give them the chance to succeed. But i'm just some guy opining on a message board. What I say and think means nothing.

Mayo is the coach. He puts together the roster, who starts, who sits, who's active, who's inactive. You say "if" it's his decision alone. It is his decision alone. What will happen if he "goes rogue" and installs DM as the starter? Nothing. Think RKK is going to fire him? And once that bell is rung, it can't be unrung. Maye gets a non-injury start? Then he is the starter. Eliot Wolf is not pulling the strings on who starts who sits because he does not have the leverage. No GM does. I don't know where that idea came from, but its ridiculous.

If the Organization - ie. the front office & ownership - had their druthers, Maye would be starting. The chaos and negative energy coming from starting Slowcoby over The Rookie™ is everywhere. If RKK loves anything, its positive press. And starting Maye would change the narrative of the team immediately. That's why I think (this is my opinion - ymmv ) Mayo and Mayo alone is making the call to sit Maye, no one else.

The idea of letting a young QB sit and learn behind a veteran is one the Packers used for years when Ron Wolf was the GM, and they have had the most consistent successions at Qb as a result. Favre to Rodgers, and now Rodgers to Love.Ron Wokf was a HOF GM, and that’s where Eliot Wolf started out when he was just a kid. So when the Patriots took Maye with the 3rd pick there was a lot of thought that they would use the Green Bay model and sit him for a season before playing him, and Brissett was signed to be a bridge QB while the young QB learned the offense. And having a rookie QB learn the offense for a year before playing them isn’t only a Green Bay philosophy, as both Brady and Mahomes sat for a season before embarking on their starting careers, and it worked out pretty well for both.

 

[Real fan 02]

The idea of letting a young QB sit and learn behind a veteran is one the Packers used for years when Ron Wolf was the GM, and they have had the most consistent successions at Qb as a result. Favre to Rodgers, and now Rodgers to Love.Ron Wokf was a HOF GM, and that’s where Eliot Wolf started out when he was just a kid. So when the Patriots took Maye with the 3rd pick there was a lot of thought that they would use the Green Bay model and sit him for a season before playing him, and Brissett was signed to be a bridge QB while the young QB learned the offense. And having a rookie QB learn the offense for a year before playing them isn’t only a Green Bay philosophy, as both Brady and Mahomes sat for a season before embarking on their starting careers, and it worked out pretty well for both.

I think Rodgers sat the longest right? Or was is Jordan love who Sat for multiple years? There is truth to what your saying. I'd also add those franchise had winning QBs for the drafted QBs to learn from. I'm sure maye is learning alot from Brissett on how to be a professional.

 

[Pape]

The idea of letting a young QB sit and learn behind a veteran is one the Packers used for years when Ron Wolf was the GM, and they have had the most consistent successions at Qb as a result. Favre to Rodgers, and now Rodgers to Love.Ron Wokf was a HOF GM, and that’s where Eliot Wolf started out when he was just a kid. So when the Patriots took Maye with the 3rd pick there was a lot of thought that they would use the Green Bay model and sit him for a season before playing him, and Brissett was signed to be a bridge QB while the young QB learned the offense. And having a rookie QB learn the offense for a year before playing them isn’t only a Green Bay philosophy, as both Brady and Mahomes sat for a season before embarking on their starting careers, and it worked out pretty well for both.

Okay. The packers used that method. Great... Means zero in regards to the Pats

Eliot Wolf does not decide who starts who sits. He's not there at practice, working with the players. He has no idea about who is ready, who isn't. I'm sure he gets reports, but that's not enough to determine who the starters are. It makes no sense on a basic football level.

 

[p8ryts]

Okay. The packers used that method. Great... Means zero in regards to the Pats

Eliot Wolf does not decide who starts who sits. He's not there at practice, working with the players. He has no idea about who is ready, who isn't. I'm sure he gets reports, but that's not enough to determine who the starters are. It makes no sense on a basic football level.

I agree but it seems like the Wolf plan is in cement and is not going to change regardless of how poor Brissett plays. Maye should play.

 

[signbabybrady]

The idea of letting a young QB sit and learn behind a veteran is one the Packers used for years when Ron Wolf was the GM, and they have had the most consistent successions at Qb as a result. Favre to Rodgers, and now Rodgers to Love.Ron Wokf was a HOF GM, and that’s where Eliot Wolf started out when he was just a kid. So when the Patriots took Maye with the 3rd pick there was a lot of thought that they would use the Green Bay model and sit him for a season before playing him, and Brissett was signed to be a bridge QB while the young QB learned the offense. And having a rookie QB learn the offense for a year before playing them isn’t only a Green Bay philosophy, as both Brady and Mahomes sat for a season before embarking on their starting careers, and it worked out pretty well for both.

Those 2 QBs sat for Multiple years are you suggesting Maye should sit for more than one season? Otherwise the GB model is muted.

 

[Real fan 02]

Okay. The packers used that method. Great... Means zero in regards to the Pats

Eliot Wolf does not decide who starts who sits. He's not there at practice, working with the players. He has no idea about who is ready, who isn't. I'm sure he gets reports, but that's not enough to determine who the starters are. It makes no sense on a basic football level.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Those 2 QBs sat for Multiple years are you suggesting Maye should sit for more than one season? Otherwise the GB model is muted.

They sat for multiple seasons because they had 1st ballot HOF QB’s in front of them. I don’t think Maye will even sit a full season, but the idea is the same, wait until the young QB has fixed any mechanical issues, and they know the offense fully. If you go back and look at the games when Brady first came in for Bledsoe even he looked uncertain much of the time. NFL offenses are really complex, and sending your QB of the future out there with the worst OL in football, and only a partial grasp of the offense is really bad idea, especially when the QB is making the OL calls because they don’t have a center.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Okay. The packers used that method. Great... Means zero in regards to the Pats

Eliot Wolf does not decide who starts who sits. He's not there at practice, working with the players. He has no idea about who is ready, who isn't. I'm sure he gets reports, but that's not enough to determine who the starters are. It makes no sense on a basic football level.

We disagree on this.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Wolf is in charge, period.

 

[signbabybrady]

They sat for multiple seasons because they had 1st ballot HOF QB’s in front of them. I don’t think Maye will even sit a full season, but the idea is the same, wait until the young QB has fixed any mechanical issues, and they know the offense fully. If you go back and look at the games when Brady first came in for Bledsoe even he looked uncertain much of the time. NFL offenses are really complex, and sending your QB of the future out there with the worst OL in football, and only a partial grasp of the offense is really bad idea, especially when the QB is making the OL calls because they don’t have a center.

Sitting players who are better than other players in their position group is a really bad idea too.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Okay. The packers used that method. Great... Means zero in regards to the Pats

Eliot Wolf does not decide who starts who sits. He's not there at practice, working with the players. He has no idea about who is ready, who isn't. I'm sure he gets reports, but that's not enough to determine who the starters are. It makes no sense on a basic football level.

The Packers model is completely relevant given that Wolf learned about how to be a GM from his father, who employed that model in Green Bay.

 

[signbabybrady]

Wolf is in charge, period.

Does Wolf smell blood.....oh wait I think I misread what you wrote.