Is this the offense we wanted?

[lancerman]

By the way your reading comprehension isn’t good. I said CHANGED THE ENTIRE OFFENSIVE COACHING STAFF AND ACQUIRED 16 PLAYERS ON OFFENSE, which is 100% accurate. Not “changed the entire offense”

Your comprehension period isn't good and everyone knows it.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

So your take is that Wolf changed the entire offensive coaching staff and acquired 16 players on offense, starters at every position but C, RB and maybe G and he did all that expecting the offense wouldn’t be better the man the league worst offense last year?

So you do not expect your GM to hire good coaches or acquire good players because you want to blame the coaches and players of the past?

the pure number of acquired players says nothing

except onwenu there wasn't a single splash FA signing on the offense side of the ball

They signed at least 8-10 placeholders

 

[TheRainMaker]

He built the offense he wanted. He thought it was quality. It appears he doesn’t evaluate players very well

Signing a QB who has never had success to be a placeholder and to "mentor" a young QB shows the GM/Ownership has completely missed the assignment.

The OL comment was not a good look from Wolf. Any armchair QB could see that the OL was among the worst in the league.

Posters were so exited when they extended their players and were taking indirect shots at Bill who was accused of not extending players. However, there was a reason Bill let so many of them walk.

 

[lancerman]

the pure number of acquired players says nothing

It does if you have an agenda you are trying to push and want a narrow framing to use. Once you dig into all the stupid **** he says, you realize how quick his conclusions fall apart.

 

[signbabybrady]

You're making some valid and scary points

Until Maye plays it's still an incomplete grade on the moves.

There clearly have been some injuries that set things back on the OL.

Also the single biggest mistake of the new regime so far has been Okorafor and combined with the OL injuries has created a problem that is so bad it's hard to evaluate other positions.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Signing a QB who has never had success to be a placeholder and to "mentor" a young QB shows the GM/Ownership has completely missed the assignment.

The OL comment was not a good look from Wolf. Any armchair QB could see that the OL was among the worst in the league.

Posters were so exited when they extended their players and were taking indirect shots at Bill who was accused of not extending players. However, there was a reason Bill let so many of them walk.

yes,signing so many of the own guys who were already not goog enough last year was bad as well as the o-line comment which was very crazy.
That is why Wolf is the reason for the current status of the offense, you don't want to judge AVP or any OC with this material of players.

 

[lancerman]

yes,signing so many of the own guys who were already not goog enough last year was bad as well as the o-line comment which was very crazy.
That is why Wolf is the reason for the current status of the offense, you don't want to judge AVP or any OC with this material of players.

You need to field a team. You can't just get rid of everyone because you aren't happy with the current results. If we got rid of our whole line and Hunter Henry, we weren't replacing them with better.

Trust me, I wish it was that way. I agree with your point, but part of it was just about the way the situation unfolded.

 

[Ring 6]

this is not the correct conclusion at all

we bid for ridley or ayuk but ended up with Osborne --> ergo saying that he thinks osborne has enough quality is just not true

I can not imagine any guy who watches 5 games of nfl per year thinks the pats have enougn quality on offense

You think that missing out on 1 upgrade is the difference between the worst offense in football and a good one?

We left 40 million on the table. He chose Osborne and Bourne out of all the WRs in free agency or available for trade. He drafted 2.

Do you think when camp started Wolf said “damn I built a wr room that will be in is e for less 1000 receiving yards combined after a quarter of the season?

 

[Ring 6]

You need to field a team. You can't just get rid of everyone because you aren't happy with the current results. If we got rid of our whole line and Hunter Henry, we weren't replacing them with better.

Trust me, I wish it was that way. I agree with your point, but part of it was just about the way the situation unfolded.

We gave the worst offensive line in the NFL. There were certainly better players available.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

You think that missing out on 1 upgrade is the difference between the worst offense in football and a good one?

no, re-read it, i showed this as an example to why Wolf certainly did not think the actual players signed have enough quality

We left 40 million on the table. He chose Osborne and Bourne out of all the WRs in free agency or available for trade. He drafted 2.

Do you think when camp started Wolf said “damn I built a wr room that will be in is e for less 1000 receiving yards combined after a quarter of the season?

we tried to upgrade it more significantly but failed. Who cares about the WR Room with this o-line and qb play

 

[Ring 6]

They made a choice for now and the future. They though that Polk was a better pick than a tackle at that spot in this years draft. You can't get every position every single year, you understand right? It's draft dependent, and FA dependent. They didn't see the issues that the line would have this year to the extent it has especially injury wise. Injuries will derail any offense. On the -22 you see plenty of WRs getting separation and many missed reads by the QB. So the weapons are actually better than people think. So the draft next year is light on high end QB talent and WR talent. It is high on offensive line and defensive line.

They got the players this year that they could get. They aren't on very long deals, and their hope is the guys they drafted will grow to take their place in a couple years. Team building is hard, you don't get every single thing right you just hope you get the majority right.

Yeah 2-3 will tell the story. It is still being written.

They acquired 16 players on offense. They chose an entire offensive coaching staff.
Those decisions resulted in the worst offense in football.
Why do you feel the need to defend and make excuses for the guy who created that results?

If a GMs success is reliant upon Sidy Sow and Verdarian Lowe misding 3 games, he deserves to fail, and guess what the offense wasn’t any better with those guys playing.

You can’t cop out and say wait 2-3 years, this GM made decisions and has to be judged on them.

 

[Ring 6]

no, re-read it, i showed this as an example to why Wolf certainly did not think the actual players signed have enough quality

we tried to upgrade it more significantly but failed. Who cares about the WR Room with this o-line and qb play

Then why didn’t he do a better job at QB and OL?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Then why didn’t he do a better job at QB and OL?

you can not judge his qb decision right now because maye sits rightfully. if he turns out to be a top 10 qb than his qb decision was great.
Brissett as a bridge was ****, i wanted flacco or minshew

the o-line signings were horrendous, why not sign Smith for a 1/2 year deal with no future cap hits, don't get it

 

[lancerman]

We gave the worst offensive line in the NFL. There were certainly better players available.

Who.

Did you want a rebuilding team to spend 20 million a year on 33 year old Tyron Smith? Or lock up 100 million over 5 years on 28 year old guard Connor Williams? Because both are going to be downside players 2-3 years from now once the team hopefully has any chance of competing.

Trent Brown was probably the 6th best lineman in free agency this year. 2 were the guys I mentioned. 2 stayed with their teams.

Cushenberry was like the only one that made much sense for us and it would have been more about replacing Andrews longterm than filling a major need at the time (we could use him now that Andrews is injured).

There's a huge quality decline in lineman across the league. This free agency one of the guys we cast off was literally considered one of the better lineman available.

 

[Ring 6]

Your comprehension period isn't good and everyone knows it.

So I show you that you misquoted me and your response is to try to insult me. I think that pretty much sums up your integrity as a poster.

 

[Ring 6]

the pure number of acquired players says nothing

except onwenu there wasn't a single splash FA signing on the offense side of the ball

They signed at least 8-10 placeholders

Why does it say nothing? It says that he revamped the entire staff and almost all of the players on the offensive side of the ball. He got yo pick them all.

The fact that he chose not to make a “splash” is part of the problem.

He signed
Chunks
Brissett
Gibson
Bourne
Osborne
Hooper
Henry
Onwenu
Leverret

Those are the groceries he picked.

It’s like you are arguing dint criticize the players he signed because he didn’t sign any good players.

 

[Ring 6]

Who.

Did you want a rebuilding team to spend 20 million a year on 33 year old Tyron Smith? Or lock up 100 million over 5 years on 28 year old guard Connor Williams? Because both are going to be downside players 2-3 years from now once the team hopefully has any chance of competing.

Trent Brown was probably the 6th best lineman in free agency this year. 2 were the guys I mentioned. 2 stayed with their teams.

Cushenberry was like the only one that made much sense for us and it would have been more about replacing Andrews longterm than filling a major need at the time (we could use him now that Andrews is injured).

There's a huge quality decline in lineman across the league. This free agency one of the guys we cast off was literally considered one of the better lineman available.

Look at the OL we are putting out there. You are defending it?

Are we better off not spending the money, letting Kraft pocket it, and having a terrible team?

I’d rather have Tyron smith for 20 mill than brisssett, chunks, Osborne and Gibson.

Your premise is the problem, they shouldn’t be tanking 2-3 years, they should be building a competitive roster.

 

[Ring 6]

You're making some valid and scary points

Until Maye plays it's still an incomplete grade on the moves.

There clearly have been some injuries that set things back on the OL.

Also the single biggest mistake of the new regime so far has been Okorafor and combined with the OL injuries has created a problem that is so bad it's hard to evaluate other positions.

You can’t chalk it up to injuries. If you can’t survive Sow missing 3 games, you failed before you started. If Lowe played it wouldn’t be any better.

 

[Ring 6]

no, re-read it, i showed this as an example to why Wolf certainly did not think the actual players signed have enough quality

we tried to upgrade it more significantly but failed. Who cares about the WR Room with this o-line and qb play

You are arguing that he signed bad played and that’s good because he missed another guy so that proves he knows he signed bad players.

Then you are arguing he isn’t responsible for building a poor WR corps because he doesn’t need one because the OL he built stinks.

 

[lancerman]

So I show you that you misquoted me and your response is to try to insult me. I think that pretty much sums up your integrity as a poster.

Guy who got ****canned and was so desperate to post on here that he's on his second username is talking about "integrity as a poster".