Is this the offense we wanted?

[Ring 6]

People are saying you can’t fix everything in one season. But Elliott Wolf tried, and we are seeing his results on the field.
Here is a break down of the off season we had on the offensive side of the ball.

Coaching
In addition to a new HC we have a new OC and new position coaches at every position, a completely new staff, except for the asst qb coach.

Players.

Qb We signed a FA and drafted 2, 1st and 5th

Rb We extended our RB and signed a FA.

WR We drafted 2, second and 4th and signed 2 FAs

TE We signed 2 FAs and drafted 1

OT We signed a FA and drafted one in round 3. Both were expected to be able to play LT or RT. We have since moved a G we signed in FA to OT.

G We drafted one in the 4th, signed one in FA and signed a reserve in FA

C we retained one under contract.

This represents 16 offensive players we acquired.

And it represents players brought in to play. The only players expected to see significant playing time after these acquisitions were Andrews, Douglas and Sow.

This is the offense Elliot Wolf wanted to build.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Posters saying they didn't better bring receipts because it was the Twilight Zone on this board in the off-season praising every damn move.

Absolutely bizarre.

 

[Thunderhead]

Posters saying they didn't better bring receipts because it was the Twilight Zone on this board in the off-season praising every damn move.

Absolutely bizarre.

Many were arguing this team would win 8-10+ games. I think homers are genuinely experiencing shock/whiplash with how far and fast the franchise has fallen post Brady. Nowhere in their wildest imagination or worst nightmares did they think the Grand Poobah BB would leave the team in ruins like this.

 

[Ring 6]

Many were arguing this team would win 8-10+ games. I think homers are genuinely experiencing shock/whiplash with how far and fast the franchise has fallen post Brady. Nowhere in their wildest imagination or worst nightmares did they think the Grand Puba BB would leave the team in ruins like this.

Given that they made 16 acquisitions on offense and brought in an entire staff you would think the GM expected to have a good offense.

 

[Ring 6]

Many were arguing this team would win 8-10+ games. I think homers are genuinely experiencing shock/whiplash with how far and fast the franchise has fallen post Brady. Nowhere in their worst nightmares did they think the Grand Poobah BB would leave the team in ruins like this.

But it has nothing to do with BB, they acquired an entire offense and coaching staff. Unless Stevenson and Andrews are the weak links this has nothing to do with BB
And they had 40 mill to spare.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Given that they made 16 acquisitions on offense and brought in an entire staff you would think the GM expected to have a good offense.

It was mostly quantity over quality. And the re-signings were amateur hour. You don't sign players (some to top contracts) prematurely on a 4-13 team, who aren't Pro Bowl/All Pro level with the team on the decline. The signings have already backfired.

This is Bobby Grier level **** we're seeing here with Wolf.

 

[Ring 6]

It was mostly quantity over quality. And the re-signings were amateur hour. You don't sign players (some to top contracts) prematurely on a 4-13 team, who aren't Pro Bowl/All Pro level with the team on the decline. The signings have already backfired.

This is Bobby Grier level **** we're seeing here with Wolf.

He built the offense he wanted. He thought it was quality. It appears he doesn’t evaluate players very well

 

[ViperGTS]

The only people who thought this year would be much better were the misguided people who thought this was a one year rebuild. I thought it could be a good season if the 3rd pick played and played well. Instead he isn't so that changes the metric. Now if you thought without Maye playing, no players wanting to come here, and this would be a one year fix or be better than last year...yeah. This is 2-3 year build.

Next draft, LT, C, and then you are off. Now, you have to hit the right ones but thats the plan.

People whining about the product this year is a waste of time. There is no quick fix, or magic elixir. Thats not how it works. Take the last 5 years and flush them down the toilet which is where they belong. This is year 1.

 

[lancerman]

Yes. I was never high on this season and didn't think one year would make a difference.

-Consistently said Brissett was not good and that Maye likely needing time developing off the field was going to mean we weren't getting a clear upgrade there.
-It's damn near impossible to fix an offensive line in one year. There just aren't enough quality lineman in the league or coming out in the draft. If you don't get a blue chip early, you are making a crapshoot guess. You also can't blame Wolf or the coaching on the injuries.
-WR has been bad for years. We made swings at the two best prospects in free agency, they didn't want to come here. Polk looks decent, but that's still a young guy getting used to the league

Yeah this was reasonably what I expected the offense to be. Until the younger pieces develop and are able to make meaningful contributions, it was going to be more of the same from last year. We just traded a lack of QB mistakes for an extreme lack of aggression. The runblocking is fine like it was before.

Saying we got 16 new players is kind of a mismnomer. Most teams bring in a good amount of new players. A lot of them are fliers or just hoping some become diamond in the roughs. 4 of the 16 people we brought in were drafted after the third round. At that point you are getting lottery picks not someone reasonably expected to be a contributor. Getting a 7th round TE means next to nothing. You are just hoping he beats all expectations. Meanwhile knowing the QB who was the first offensive pick wasn't going to play, that means you went into this season with 5 of that 16 guys knowing they likely weren't making meaningful contributions. Also a bunch of the free agency signings were coming in making like a million a year. Those aren't bigtime acquisitions. Those are depth pieces. Context again matters. Saying "oh we have 16 guys". No most of the main contributors are guys from last year. It was nuts assuming this offense was going to be a big upgrade if much of one. Especially when the biggest investment we made is not playing

 

[Ring 6]

The only people who thought this year would be much better were the misguided people who thought this was a one year rebuild. I thought it could be a good season if the 3rd pick played and played well. Instead he isn't so that changes the metric. Now if you thought without Maye playing, no players wanting to come here, and this would be a one year fix or be better than last year...yeah. This is 2-3 year build.

Next draft, LT, C, and then you are off. Now, you have to hit the right ones but thats the plan.

People whining about the product this year is a waste of time. There is no quick fix, or magic elixir. Thats not how it works. Take the last 5 years and flush them down the toilet which is where they belong. This is year 1.

So your take is that Wolf changed the entire offensive coaching staff and acquired 16 players on offense, starters at every position but C, RB and maybe G and he did all that expecting the offense wouldn’t be better the man the league worst offense last year?

So you do not expect your GM to hire good coaches or acquire good players because you want to blame the coaches and players of the past?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

 

[festy1986]

You get what you pay for.

 

[lancerman]

So your take is that Wolf changed the entire offensive coaching staff and acquired 16 players on offense, starters at every position but C, RB and maybe G and he did all that expecting the offense wouldn’t be better the man the league worst offense last year?

So you do not expect your GM to hire good coaches or acquire good players because you want to blame the coaches and players of the past?

"Changed the entire offense".

7 of the named offensive starters to begin the season were here last year. Of the 4 newbies, one is a rookie WR, one is Brissett who is a placeholder and just a warm body after they traded Mac until they felt Maye was ready, another is a rookie guard.

Blatantly misleading framing

 

[Ring 6]

Yes. I was never high on this season and didn't think one year would make a difference.

-Consistently said Brissett was not good and that Maye likely needing time developing off the field was going to mean we weren't getting a clear upgrade there.
-It's damn near impossible to fix an offensive line in one year. There just aren't enough quality lineman in the league or coming out in the draft. If you don't get a blue chip early, you are making a crapshoot guess. You also can't blame Wolf or the coaching on the injuries.
-WR has been bad for years. We made swings at the two best prospects in free agency, they didn't want to come here. Polk looks decent, but that's still a young guy getting used to the league

Yeah this was reasonably what I expected the offense to be. Until the younger pieces develop and are able to make meaningful contributions, it was going to be more of the same from last year. We just traded a lack of QB mistakes for an extreme lack of aggression. The runblocking is fine like it was before.

Saying we got 16 new players is kind of a mismnomer. Most teams bring in a good amount of new players. A lot of them are fliers or just hoping some become diamond in the roughs. 4 of the 16 people we brought in were drafted after the third round. At that point you are getting lottery picks not someone reasonably expected to be a contributor. Getting a 7th round TE means next to nothing. You are just hoping he beats all expectations. Meanwhile knowing the QB who was the first offensive pick wasn't going to play, that means you went into this season with 5 of that 16 guys knowing they likely weren't making meaningful contributions. Also a bunch of the free agency signings were coming in making like a million a year. Those aren't bigtime acquisitions. Those are depth pieces. Context again matters. Saying "oh we have 16 guys". No most of the main contributors are guys from last year. It was nuts assuming this offense was going to be a big upgrade if much of one. Especially when the biggest investment we made is not playing

I didn’t just say we got 16 players, I broke it down. Let me repeat myself.

The entire Qb position was acquired.
The rb was extended and the back up was acquired.
Wr. Bourne, Osborne, Polk and Baker acquired.
TE Henry and Hooper acquired.
T okorafor and Wallace acquired and we were told both could play LT or RT
G Onwenu acquired and leverett added as depth Robinson drafted. Onwenu moved to T which means Robinson was drafted to start.

We brought in an entirely new coaching staff and chose almost every starter and contributor (everyone but Stevenson, sow, Douglas) and you think the result if all of those decisions by the GM should be reasonably expected to show zero improvement in a league worst offense?

What was the point then?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Lack of any talent at WR
Patchwork offensive line
Career Back up or Rookie QB
1 RB

I was saying all along this was a 4 win team at best, never thought they would beat Cincy, and still would be shocked if they ended up with more than 4 wins.

The BIG problem is that they failed to address any of the weakness. The O line still needs to be completely retooled, still no talent at WR, and they took Maye instead of trading that pick away and stockpiling talent.

Maye is unproven at best and they can't put him out there now behind that line, so this entire year is a waste! Everyone will be a year older and the team will need to be blown up and start over again.

 

[Ring 6]

"Changed the entire offense".

7 of the named offensive starters to begin the season were here last year. Of the 4 newbies, one is a rookie WR, one is Brissett who is a placeholder and just a warm body after they traded Mac until they felt Maye was ready, another is a rookie guard.

Blatantly misleading framing

Brissett
Osborne
Polk
Onwenu
Okirafor
Wallace or Robison depending upon what you do with onwrnu
Bourne
Henry

were signed expecting to be starters.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

He built the offense he wanted. He thought it was quality. It appears he doesn’t evaluate players very well

this is not the correct conclusion at all

we bid for ridley or ayuk but ended up with Osborne --> ergo saying that he thinks osborne has enough quality is just not true

I can not imagine any guy who watches 5 games of nfl per year thinks the pats have enougn quality on offense

 

[Ring 6]

"Changed the entire offense".

7 of the named offensive starters to begin the season were here last year. Of the 4 newbies, one is a rookie WR, one is Brissett who is a placeholder and just a warm body after they traded Mac until they felt Maye was ready, another is a rookie guard.

Blatantly misleading framing

By the way your reading comprehension isn’t good. I said CHANGED THE ENTIRE OFFENSIVE COACHING STAFF AND ACQUIRED 16 PLAYERS ON OFFENSE, which is 100% accurate. Not “changed the entire offense”

 

[lancerman]

I didn’t just say we got 16 players, I broke it down. Let me repeat myself.

The entire Qb position was acquired.
The rb was extended and the back up was acquired.
Wr. Bourne, Osborne, Polk and Baker acquired.
TE Henry and Hooper acquired.
T okorafor and Wallace acquired and we were told both could play LT or RT
G Onwenu acquired and leverett added as depth Robinson drafted. Onwenu moved to T which means Robinson was drafted to start.

We brought in an entirely new coaching staff and chose almost every starter and contributor (everyone but Stevenson, sow, Douglas) and you think the result if all of those decisions by the GM should be reasonably expected to show zero improvement in a league worst offense?

What was the point then?

The point was to set up a groundwork for a rebuild. The intended QB of the future is not the one they want starting right now because they knew he wouldn't be ready an needed to develop. The starting RB is the same guy as last year. Bourne was already part of the team. Polk and Baker are rookies. They are also pieces that were expected to come in, adjust to the league and hopefully develop into longterm contributors. Henry has been here for a few years. He's not new. Getting injured last year doesn't change what we've been seeing most of the last few years. Hooper is a depth piece, if you looked at his career and expected him to be a starter and big time contributor you were setting your self up. So far Osborne is the only starter you could kind of expected to do a bit more.

This isn't hard man.

 

[ViperGTS]

So your take is that Wolf changed the entire offensive coaching staff and acquired 16 players on offense, starters at every position but C, RB and maybe G and he did all that expecting the offense wouldn’t be better the man the league worst offense last year?

So you do not expect your GM to hire good coaches or acquire good players because you want to blame the coaches and players of the past?

They made a choice for now and the future. They though that Polk was a better pick than a tackle at that spot in this years draft. You can't get every position every single year, you understand right? It's draft dependent, and FA dependent. They didn't see the issues that the line would have this year to the extent it has especially injury wise. Injuries will derail any offense. On the -22 you see plenty of WRs getting separation and many missed reads by the QB. So the weapons are actually better than people think. So the draft next year is light on high end QB talent and WR talent. It is high on offensive line and defensive line.

They got the players this year that they could get. They aren't on very long deals, and their hope is the guys they drafted will grow to take their place in a couple years. Team building is hard, you don't get every single thing right you just hope you get the majority right.

Yeah 2-3 will tell the story. It is still being written.