Damien Woody's take on Maye timetable - its correct.

[yukon cornelius]

Zach Wilson is a turd, but he is still a cautionary tale. He is the extreme of what can happen when you rush a QB out there too quickly. Bryce Young could be a better comp. Hell, maybe even Trevor Lawrence.

I am not sure if the organization thinks Maye is ready yet, but reports are very positive about him based on Mark Daniels' recent report. He may start sooner than later, but I am guessing we are at least several more weeks before we see him. I think we are still at least a month from seeing him. I could be wrong, but being encouraged by his play in practice isn't necessarily meaning he is ready.

the number of young QBs who had their development ******ed, stunted, or completely shut off by being rushed to the field with an incomplete team is a long one

i think the best example is Darnold - after being completely broken into seeing ghosts, he is looking like he i a competent, mid-level NFL QB.......not saying he would have been anything more than that, but a different path wouldn't have taken him 6 years to get here

 

[condon84]

average times, but Brissett takes above average time to make his reads/make a decision/release the ball

That is a Brissett issue not an OL issue.

I understand this data doesn't go along with the talking point and why people want to dismiss it, but it's an accurate measure of how much time QBs have before pressure.

 

[yukon cornelius]

That is a Brissett issue not an OL issue.

I understand this data doesn't go along with the talking point and why people want to dismiss it, but it's an accurate measure of how much time QBs have before pressure.

i am agreeing with you......the line has been mid, but it hasn't been the disaster that some like to think

the line is mid, the receivers are young and developing, the play calling is meh, but they are also playing to the level of the QB.......he is below mid, and is limited, slow, non-decisive.........

this is ALL about developing Maye to give him time so he has a chance to succeed.....NOT because the OL is bad, the receivers are bad, AVP sucks........just because the NFL game is hard and the majority of QBs need transition time......I guarantee once Maye gets his real shot, the OL will look better, the receivers will look better, the play calling will change for the good.......

Brissette gives them a chance to stay in most games.......not much more

 

[mgteich]

The bottom line is that we likely got the best bridge QB that would play for the patriots. And yes, he is nowhere near an average QB in the NFL.

IMO, we should sign a backup QB better than Brissett next year. Our BACKUP should be better than Brissett.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Their Plan Sucks he's listed as the #2 QB when Brissett goes down which is inevitable what will they do?? You agree with the "Sit Him for a Year Plan" to sit him for a year where's the Vet QB to take over when Brissett goes down?? Obviously Playing him now in this scenario goes against everything you believe you can't have it both ways. When Brissett goes down what are you going to say?? Maye earned the right to play I would hate to put words in your mouth.

You mean the “let them sit and learn the offense fully” plan? The same plan used to start the careers of Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes? That plan sucks? The plan Brady is currently stating that teams should all take with their rookie QB’s. That plan?

 

[Huckleberry1]

The bottom line is that we likely got the best bridge QB that would play for the patriots. And yes, he is nowhere near an average QB in the NFL.

IMO, we should sign a backup QB better than Brissett next year. Our BACKUP should be better than Brissett.

I would sign Tannehill right now, and go with 4 QB’s for the rest of the season. It’s not like they will be losing much to cut a player from this roster.

 

[Huckleberry1]

After the draft and free agency, it's a struggle for me to trust Wolf. But the rest I agree with. I've been in the 4 QB camp since OTAs.

Now you've hit on the part that has completely baffled me since they released Zappe, and the only way I can reconcile the situation is that they are rolling the dice and hoping they don't come up snake eyes. They are betting that JB stays healthy, and if he doesn't, they are betting that the line can protect Drake and the chaos in the backfield won't hinder his development.

It's basically an expected value calculation where they've assigned probabilities to the events and values (negative and positive) to the outcomes. And the EV has come up positive for rolling with him as QB2, according to their model. They might not do a formal calculation like that, but they probably should. It's not difficult, and many of the probabilities they can estimate using historical league data.

I think it's insanity, but they are the experts. There's a disturbing possibility that I haven't thought of until now: maybe they've gotten a good look at Drake and decided he's probably not going to be "the franchise", but a league average QB at best. It's not impossible. If that's true, their strategy makes more sense: let's let him develop, but if he has to go out there and play, so be it. Sink or swim. If he gets hurt, it's not the end of the world.

I trust Wolf completely. I agree with his approach to rebuilding the Patriots. He passed on a weak free agency class, resigned the players they needed to keep, and let the others walk. And I thought they had a really good draft. I think he will have the Patriots back into contention in 26’.

 

[1960Pats]

Issue is, Mayo basically said Drake Maye is ready, and also is better than Brissett, in August. So it creates a lot of confusion.

Mayo is playing chess while all the others are playing checkers.

 

[Real fan 02]

He's been pretty consistent about saying that Maye would not start and Brisset is the starter. That has been the case so far.

I understand some are chomping at the bit to see Maye start but I don't see any benefit right now.

OL is in shambles. We're not suddenly a playoff team by inserting Maye.

Let the kid progress and learn the ropes first.

Kid needs to earn it and be READY before you throw him to the sharks.

I see what your saying. However there is plenty to benefit from maye playing. The confliction for the team is that maye is forcing thier hands.. they didn't anticipate that he would be this ready this soon. The only thing holding maye back is the OL.. we are gaining nothing by watching Jacoby play.. I understand why Jacoby is playing but doesn't mean I enjoy watching him play. Drake has been progressing and learning the ropes... that's kudos to Mayo's and his staff for having Drake this ready. So at some point this season I fully expect maye to be the starter.

 

[Ring 6]

the number of young QBs who had their development ******ed, stunted, or completely shut off by being rushed to the field with an incomplete team is a long one

i think the best example is Darnold - after being completely broken into seeing ghosts, he is looking like he i a competent, mid-level NFL QB.......not saying he would have been anything more than that, but a different path wouldn't have taken him 6 years to get here

You have no way of knowing whether playing quickly ******ed, stunted or shut off their development. Many QBs who didn’t play right away failed too.

There are many factors that lead to QBs failing. Assuming it’s all one issue is short sighted.

 

[Ring 6]

I trust Wolf completely. I agree with his approach to rebuilding the Patriots. He passed on a weak free agency class, resigned the players they needed to keep, and let the others walk. And I thought they had a really good draft. I think he will have the Patriots back into contention in 26’.

So you support him talking 60 mill and turning it into Brissett, Gibson, Osborne, and Chuks?
He didn’t pass on free agency, he just did a really bad job with it and we are now fielding an awful team.

 

[Wozzy]

The Jets didn't hold those guys to anything. They ran only 11 times in total for a 4.7 average. Not that impressed by that. The Pats just didn't run the ball. Likely because the defense that you were talking up all offseason couldn't stop a nosebleed, they couldn't get off the field and they fell behind.

Remains to be seen. The Pats are not a good team. Let's see how they are when they play a good team.

You don’t understand football and I’m not patient enough to continue trying to teach you.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Okay here's more data. Look under the Pressure columns under PKT Time which is defined "Average time in seconds between snap and throwing the ball or pressure". If you look at that list, the best time for QBs who have thrown for more than 5 passes is 2.7 which is Purdy. Then there's 5 QBs who have 2.6, another 5 QBs who have 2.5, and then there's 8 QBs who have 2.4 including Jacoby. This suggest that our OL isn't as bad as some of you guys like to paint. The guy has about the average time QBs have to throw in the NFL.

That stat doesn’t tell you much about reality. The quarterback’s style and ability, the schemes being used, the consistency of protection, and the types of pressure all impact that number. If a team has a quick pass offense, it will be lower. If the team has Dan Marino, it will be lower. If a team has to roll out constantly to avoid pressure, it will be higher. If the quarterback has time to go through all his progressions because the protection is great, it will be higher. Edge pressure takes longer to get there, so the defensive team's style and talent are factors. And finally, because it’s an average across all plays, the true severity of problems may be hidden, if for example, passing third downs are always a train wreck because of all the blitzes. Honestly, it’s a ridiculous statistic with very little utility (on its own, but see *).

Just use your eyes. You know that they suck at pass blocking. Everyone knows.

(*EDIT) It may have some utility to gauge a single team's progress in season, although sacks and pressures capture the concept better. But it certainly should not be used to compare teams.

 

[Wozzy]

That stat doesn’t tell you much about reality. The quarterback’s style and ability, the schemes being used, the consistency of protection, and the types of pressure all impact that number. If a team has a quick pass offense, it will be lower. If the team has Dan Marino, it will be lower. If a team has to roll out constantly to avoid pressure, it will be higher. If quarterback has time to go through all his progressions because the protection is great, it will be higher. Since it’s an average across all plays, the true severity of problems may be hidden if for example, passing third downs are always a train wreck because of all the blitzes. Honestly, it’s a ridiculous statistic with very little utility.

Just use your eyes. You know that they suck at pass blocking. Everyone knows.

I can’t believe after a 3 sack game followed by a 7 sack game we still have people telling us this line is good.

At the age of 32 Jacoby Brissett has the highest sack rate of his entire 9 year career as a starter… but Jacoby’s “the problem.”Also we can ignore how Maye was sacked twice on 8 pass attempts.

We’ve reached critical mass stupidity here…

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I can’t believe after a 3 sack game followed by a 7 sack game we still have people telling us this line is good.

At the age of 32 Jacoby Brissett has the highest sack rate of his entire 9 year career as a starter… but Jacoby’s “the problem.”Also we can ignore how Maye was sacked twice on 8 pass attempts.

We’ve reached critical mass stupidity here…

Maybe stupidity, maybe coping. Sometimes I'm too hard on the Pats, and others miss the glory days and look for any glint of hope that a return might not be far off. I am doing my best to be realistic (and failing sometimes).

 

[XLIX]

the number of young QBs who had their development ******ed, stunted, or completely shut off by being rushed to the field with an incomplete team is a long one

You don’t know that. The above statement is simply unknowable.

What we do know is there is a long list of QBs who started year 1 and became great.

i think the best example is Darnold - after being completely broken into seeing ghosts, he is looking like he i a competent, mid-level NFL QB.......not saying he would have been anything more than that, but a different path wouldn't have taken him 6 years to get here

Yeah if his “different path” was to get drafted by any team other than one of the worst organizations in all of sports, he would have had more early success.

His problem wasn’t he started year 1. His problem was he was on tbe Jets, i.e. the graveyard of young quarterbacks.

 

[Wozzy]

You don’t know that. The above statement is simply unknowable.

What we do know is there is a long list of QBs who started year 1 and became great.

Yeah if his “different path” was to get drafted by any team other than one of the worst organizations in all of sports, he would have had more early success.

His problem wasn’t he started year 1. His problem was he was on tbe Jets, i.e. the graveyard of young quarterbacks.

I think you both are correct, the rookie QB is usually too inexperienced and the team is really that bad. The Patriots line is that bad, we shouldn’t be talking about starting Maye until they fix it.

Getting Sow back, potentially finding a better tackle option in Demontry Jacobs and playing lesser opponents after the 49ers might open the door for that. But this is a lot of projection and hoping. We need to see them improve first.

Maye got swarmed versus the Jets the same way Jacoby did, he rushed a screen pass he needed to be patient to set up… he looked like an inexperienced 22 year old. Stick to the plan.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I trust Wolf completely. I agree with his approach to rebuilding the Patriots. He passed on a weak free agency class, resigned the players they needed to keep, and let the others walk. And I thought they had a really good draft. I think he will have the Patriots back into contention in 26’.

The decision to proceed with 3 QBs (really two -- Milton hardly qualifies as a functional QB and is behind Maye anyway) is a monumental error, and I very much hope he gets lucky and avoids severe consequences. It's foolish, and foolish people should not be trusted.

Drafting a WR in round 2 was also foolish, and not in retrospect. They knew their biggest needs were QB and OL, and they picked a guy who may or may not be good, but even if he is good, OTs are much, much harder to find. They didn't need an offensive weapon this year. With their second pick, they should have pushed for the best tackle prospect they could get, even trading other picks if necessary.

So no, I'm not on the Wolf train and I don't trust him, but I do hope he succeeds. I am actively rooting for every decision of his to pan out.

 

[XLIX]

I think you both are correct, the rookie QB is usually too inexperienced and the team is really that bad. The Patriots line is that bad, we shouldn’t be talking about starting Maye until they fix it.

And what happens if they don’t “fix it” this offseason? Sit Maye another year?

I see a lot of people here assuming the o-line will be significantly better next year but if improving an o-line was so easy, they would have done it already. Even if you spend your #1 pick on the top o-line prospect, then it’s still a rookie who will get beat occasionally protecting “the future”.

 

[Wozzy]

And what happens if they don’t “fix it” this offseason? Sit Maye another year?

I see a lot of people here assuming the o-line will be significantly better next year but if improving an o-line was so easy, they would have done it already. Even if you spend your #1 pick on the top o-line prospect, then it’s still a rookie who will get beat occasionally protecting “the future”.

I don’t trust Wolf to fix the line. He might get lucky by getting everyone healthy now and with his potential lottery pick waiver acquisition of Jacobs. They could still improve this season.

Execution also plays a part here, the players they have could simply execute better and Van Pelt could improve at calling timely plays. The opponents will also be easier. Bottom line is they have to improve… but Wolf’s best linemen are the ones he inherited.

The final part of this equation is Mayes readiness. The “start Maye now” crowd have zero clue if he’s actually ready, they’re just impatient and didn’t want Brissett to start in week one.

Andy Dalton just proved in one start that Bryce Young was either not ready or simply sucks. A rookie has to take the job, you don’t just hand it to him.