Damien Woody's take on Maye timetable - its correct.

[NFL Mystique]

I think OL is the number one REASON to not throw him out there.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brady made his OL's look better than they really were (particularly his T's), but they were nowhere near as bad collectively as these guys are.

 

[SinceGroganWalkedIn]

The NE OL is the scapegoat.

QBs can make their OLs look great by getting rid of the ball and moving in the pocket.

QBs can overcome some OL deficiency but NO on the make OLs look great if they are not.

 

[SinceGroganWalkedIn]

Brady made his OL's look better than they really were (particularly his T's), but they were nowhere near as bad collectively as these guys are.

The pats prioritized oline for Bradys whole stint here. Reason: Brady was pretty much immobile accept moving in the pocket. People whined on no WR when they led the league in scoring at times with: (1) a good oline, (2) RBs that bank out short yardage money plays, and catch the ball, plus a slot WR and lasytly TE(s) that could block and catch. WR was the last thing they needed. I wouldn't say Brady made the oline better, but he could get rid of the ball if the opponent pressured. That's game planning.

 

[signbabybrady]

Brissett playing over Maye is a combination of a few things...
1) Maye was/is a very raw prospect and played at a smaller school (not as NFL ready).
2) The realization we are still in a rebuild - so we dont need to play our "best chance at winning" QB
3) The dismal state of our OL. I absolutely disagree that this OL issue is "media driven"... Jets game was hard to watch.

I am generally a fan of "trial by fire" but in this case lets wait a few weeks. We all know we are a bottom-half (at best) team, so lets develop him right and if/when season is "lost" we can throw him in there for development.

I think you're misunderstanding his point. He's not saying the line doesn't suck. He's saying that not playing a QB because the line sucks is media driven and not how it really works.

 

[Pape]

I stopped reading right there Mac Jones is better than Brissett what does that tell you??

how many turnovers does mac jones have this year? how about brisket?

 

[TheRainMaker]

The pats prioritized oline for Bradys whole stint here. Reason: Brady was pretty much immobile accept moving in the pocket. People whined on no WR when they led the league in scoring at times with: (1) a good oline, (2) RBs that bank out short yardage money plays, and catch the ball, plus a slot WR and lasytly TE(s) that could block and catch. WR was the last thing they needed. I wouldn't say Brady made the oline better, but he could get rid of the ball if the opponent pressured. That's game planning.

If you go and re-watch old games starting in the 1st Dynasty, you'll see how poor the T's were whiffing on good to elite defenders. Matt Light struggled badly against the NFL's best and was helped by scheme/Tom. Aaron Schobel and Jason Taylor were two guys in the division alone who routinely ate his lunch. Nate Solder in particular was exposed once he left NE. That guy was chasing a lot of whiffed defenders that went unnoticed because of Tom's footwork and quick decision making.

 

[SinceGroganWalkedIn]

I think you're misunderstanding his point. He's not saying the line doesn't suck. He's saying that not playing a QB because the line sucks is media driven and not how it really works.

yea the o-line has issues. that's beyond question. Maye not being ready is the driver on him not playing. Or the key driver anyway. Certainly the line is a consideration in the mix, but Maye won't sit if/when he's deemed ready. He won't be fully ready this year, but likely close enough. Coaches will want to get him some experience this year to build off that in the off-season.

The media also made the statement Maye was the best QB in summer and did so for their 30,000 tons of drama articles and reader page clicks. They made the case based on summer game play which is a joke. It's a big diff where there's a D-coordinator on the other team game planning for a rookie in the regular season. They don't do any of that in summer.

 

[ahmed]

Absolute BS! I guess you enjoy watching Brissett misery loves company.

11 QBs picked in 1st and 2nd rounds from 21 to 23. Looks like Stroud is only franchise QB out of them. Of the rookies that started so far this year, only Daniels looked good.

Playing these rookies too soon definitely plays a part in their failure

 

[Triumph]

QBs can overcome some OL deficiency but NO on the make OLs look great if they are not.

The Chiefs have had all kinds of OL trouble. Why the Chiefs' offensive line has been struggling in recent weeks

Last year they only won the Super Bowl. This season the problems continue, but KC is 3 - 0. Take a guess why?

 

[Clonamery]

The Chiefs have had all kinds of OL trouble. Why the Chiefs' offensive line has been struggling in recent weeks

Last year they only won the Super Bowl. This season the problems continue, but KC is 3 - 0. Take a guess why?

HC.

 

[Ring 6]

While I agree, I think that we need to wait until Lowe comes back.

You are betting the diamond mine on Lardassian Lowe? Seriously?

 

[rochrist]

After watching Jayden on Monday, we gotta question whether we got the right coaching staff to develop a young QB. Jayden looked comfortable in that offense. I don't think Washington has the greatest OL and weapons but they're making it work with Jayden. Kingsbury, for all the crap he got while being the HC at Arizona, seems to be in sync with his young QB.

Daniels played for FIVE years and 55 games in college. Maye played 30. So Daniels played 25 more games in college than Maye.

 

[Triumph]

HC.

 

[XLIX]

I agree. Even though he made some plays in his cameo, he was clearly nervous and made some bad throws. There is zero upside to throwing him out there if that is where he is at right now.

The NFL is littered, every year, with teams playing rookie QBs that are not ready, purely to appease fans or buy time for their job, only to see them get broken and thrown out 2 or 3 years later.

If a QB sucks, he's going to suck no matter when you throw him out there.

If a QB is good, he is going to be good no matter when you throw him out there.

For example, Mac Jones' problem isn't that he started as a rookie, it is that he sucks.

 

[Triumph]

If you go and re-watch old games starting in the 1st Dynasty, you'll see how poor the T's were whiffing on good to elite defenders. Matt Light struggled badly against the NFL's best and was helped by scheme/Tom. Aaron Schobel and Jason Taylor were two guys in the division alone who routinely ate his lunch. Nate Solder in particular was exposed once he left NE. That guy was chasing a lot of whiffed defenders that went unnoticed because of Tom's footwork and quick decision making.

Brady made millionaires on the OL.

Solder never did 5hit for the NY Giants. The only guy to pan out has been Thuney.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Perhaps Mayo is confused.

I think Mayo is a bit indecisive and moreso suffers from verbal diarrhea

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Brady made millionaires on the OL.

Solder never did 5hit for the NY Giants. The only guy to pan out has been Thuney.

Woody was pretty darned good as was Mankins.

 

[Ring 6]

The NE OL is the scapegoat.

QBs can make their OLs look great by getting rid of the ball and moving in the pocket.

You need an entire operation for that though.
You need a game plan that supports it
You need the right plays called.
You need the Qb to execute it.
You need a running game to complement it
You need receivers to get open.

The offense we should be running is the Patriots circa 2012.
The passing tree ran through Welker. Welker route was almost always the first read. He was the best at getting open fast and negating a rush. Douglass should be in that role. The OL wasn’t great, and it was rarely asked to protect an 8 step drop. We had a good running game, 2 TEs, and we often spread the field and ran out of the spread to further slow the pass rush.
If we play 12 personnel or 3 wides, spread the field and mix run/pass (2012 was almost exactly 50/50 in first down) we slow the rush. When we throw, Douglass in a get open quick route is the primary target. Rb or TE a second option if there is a blitz or pressure and down the field routes are late options. That should be 80% of the scheme right there.

 

[Ring 6]

Daniels played for FIVE years and 55 games in college. Maye played 30. So Daniels played 25 more games in college than Maye.

So your argument is that Daniels is better because he has experience so therefore we shouldn’t give Maye experience.