Damien Woody's take on Maye timetable - its correct.

[XLIX]

Daniels played for FIVE years and 55 games in college. Maye played 30. So Daniels played 25 more games in college than Maye.

Seems to me that you're saying more experience helps improve a quarterback.

I agree 100%.

 

[PatsFan2]

Daniels played for FIVE years and 55 games in college. Maye played 30. So Daniels played 25 more games in college than Maye.

Joe Milton played almost 7 years so he should be more than ready.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Brady made millionaires on the OL.

Solder never did 5hit for the NY Giants. The only guy to pan out has been Thuney.

The interior was usually strong, it was the Tackles that really stood out as a glaring weakness. Sebastian Vollmer was their best T during the dynasty era.

Thuney went to the best situation in KC.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Woody was pretty darned good as was Mankins.

Woody lost his job to a 4th round pick in Dan Koppen in 2003 and was free to walk after the season because of it.

He was a 1st round pick who couldn't snap a football out of the shotgun. It became such a problem that they pretty much abandoned the shotgun during the 2000 season and the team had to sign Mike Compton in 2001 to handle those duties on passing downs. That was extremely unusual.

But in terms of panning out on other teams, I agree that he had a fine career after the Pats moving to G.

 

[rochrist]

So your argument is that Daniels is better because he has experience so therefore we shouldn’t give Maye experience.

Did you see that in that comment? How weird. No, it's merely an explanation as to why it isn't surprising that Daniels is more advanced at this point in his career.

 

[Ring 6]

Did you see that in that comment? How weird. No, it's merely an explanation as to why it isn't surprising that Daniels is more advanced at this point in his career.

No I didn’t. That is why I pointed out the hypocrisy.

 

[Real fan 02]

Daniels played for FIVE years and 55 games in college. Maye played 30. So Daniels played 25 more games in college than Maye.

 

[ahmed]

So your argument is that Daniels is better because he has experience so therefore we shouldn’t give Maye experience.

I make this argument all the time. There is a clear correlation between the number of games played in college and success in NFL. It is clear as day. People who think QBs that played a few games (teens or less) in college can be ready to play year 1 or 2 in NFL are smoking crack.

Similar correlation with low completion % in college and NFL success. A QB with less than 60% completion in college has basically zero chance of success in NFL.

Same thing with QB height. Anything less than 6'2 and you are playing with fire.

Same thing with production (yards and TDs). The more production a QB has in college the more likely they are to succeed in NFL.

I am not saying that is all that is needed but GMs would have much higher success rate drafting QBs if they use these simple guidelines. Instead they talk themselves into stupid decisions because a QB is "talented" which is just euphemism for a strong arm or can run fast. Cannon arm and ability to run are literally the least important skills to a QB's success.

 

[ahmed]

If a QB sucks, he's going to suck no matter when you throw him out there.

If a QB is good, he is going to be good no matter when you throw him out there.

For example, Mac Jones' problem isn't that he started as a rookie, it is that he sucks.

All time great QBs can over come it but those are unicorns. The rest, not so much.

All other position players are allowed and expected to fail as they learn. Most players are started slowly with limited snaps to grow. QB is the only position where an entire franchise's hopes is placed on. Enormous pressure from snap 1 that just keeps on getting worse the longer they take to learn. That is added pressure and difficulty to an already extremely tough job. Therefore it makes no sense to play them when they are clearly not ready.

Jones failed for many reasons such as zero intangibles (no leadership, no mental or physical touchness) and skills (never seen a QB handle pressure as poorly as he does, poor arm strength...). That does not mean that throwing him to the wolves day 1 and exposing him to the pressures of carrying a franchise was positive for his growth. It is always the opposite.

 

[Ring 6]

I make this argument all the time. There is a clear correlation between the number of games played in college and success in NFL. It is clear as day. People who think QBs that played a few games (teens or less) in college can be ready to play year 1 or 2 in NFL are smoking crack.

Similar correlation with low completion % in college and NFL success. A QB with less than 60% completion in college has basically zero chance of success in NFL.

Same thing with QB height. Anything less than 6'2 and you are playing with fire.

Same thing with production (yards and TDs). The more production a QB has in college the more likely they are to succeed in NFL.

I am not saying that is all that is needed but GMs would have much higher success rate drafting QBs if they use these simple guidelines. Instead they talk themselves into stupid decisions because a QB is "talented" which is just euphemism for a strong arm or can run fast. Cannon arm and ability to run are literally the least important skills to a QB's success.

They are people not Madden players.

 

[Real fan 02]

The interior was usually strong, it was the Tackles that really stood out as a glaring weakness. Sebastian Vollmer was their best T during the dynasty era.

Thuney went to the best situation in KC.

The 16 million dollar man Thuney when be was here.

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Woody was pretty darned good as was Mankins.

He was good except for some erratic shotgun snaps

 

[IcyPatriot]

I find the endless babblig over when Drake Maye will start nauseating.

Carry on ...

 

[pats_premi]

It buys Mayo and Co an extra year, by not starting Maye straight way.

 

[Triumph]

Woody was pretty darned good as was Mankins.

Wasn't Woody involved in the Buttfumble?

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I agree with Evan Lazar take on PU this tuesday. The Patriots don’t have the horses to run the under center offense that AVP wants. They would be better suited running a gun spread offense with Maye.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Disagree. Mayo said at points that Maye "outplayed Brissett" during their QB "competition", that Maye is "ready", and also said that it was only Brissett's "total body of work" that made him the starter. Perhaps they are sticking to some pre-ordained development plan that he has not yet completed, but Mayo's comments undermine that concept.

Mayo wants to start Maye. You are not along thinking that. I feel it too so does the PU crew.

 

[Clonamery]

Wasn't Woody involved in the Buttfumble?

No. Brandon Moore. Needed therapy after it.

 

[Clonamery]

Mayo wants to start Maye. You are not along thinking that. I feel it too so does the PU crew.

They do smell.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Issue is, Mayo basically said Drake Maye is ready, and also is better than Brissett, in August. So it creates a lot of confusion.

Not if you realize that they don’t want to put him out there behind that OL. Right now there isn’t a QB in football who could succeed behind that line. The QB is running for their life the moment the ball is snapped, and putting your QB of the future out there will only damage them long term. They already know that Maye is better, and they should keep him on the bench until they can fix the line, if that takes until next season so be it.