Robinson and Wallace

[moosekill]

Hopefully trade a high pick for multiple

 

[ZotZot]

Hopefully trade a high pick for multiple

Straight up, if we are in the top 3 again, The Pats should get a king's ransom from a QB-needy team.

 

[VrabelJr]

Perhaps we should sign Cam Fleming. He has only been an OT, formerly for us I think.


Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. It might concern you that no one else had problems understanding my post.

They were being nice.

 

[mgteich]

My immediate priorities on the OL

1) Bench ROBINSON. He is spectacularly bad on passing downs. He could get the QB injured. I wouldn't even have him active, unless we want him as the 6th Ol in jumbo set. We have lots of guards that are not liabilities at RG. Obviously, Onwenu is the best option.

2) ASAP, find out whether WALLACE can play RT in the NFL. Start him for a few games. If that doesn't work, we would need to move Onwenu back to RT for the remainder of the year.
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This season is about evaluation. We now know a lot about Robinson. Now we need to know more about Wallace.

 

[varjao]

Something that has been bothering me since the Belichick days is this dancing chairs in the OL, they draft players from a position trying to fill others, it's nice to have some flexibility but the guy played a position in college (and probably before that) for a reason, are they trying to be the smartest people in the room assuming college coaches don't know sh.it?

Then they give Owmenu a payday and have to put him at tackle to justify that? Weakening the whole right side that was less a concern compared to left. Guards get paid too in these days, if he was worth the new contract pay him to play RG and solidify that position, and then, WTF you draft a RG only player in the draft right after that?

How about this advice, draft a RG to play RG. If you already have one, this is a waste of a draft pick. Draft a RT to play RT, if somehow 2 or 3 years down the road he develops some skills to play at left, then that's a nice to have but don't count on that, draft LTs to play on the left.

 

[TommyD4207]

My immediate priorities on the OL

1) Bench ROBINSON. He is spectacularly bad on passing downs. He could get the QB injured. I wouldn't even have him active, unless we want him as the 6th Ol in jumbo set. We have lots of guards that are not liabilities at RG. Obviously, Onwenu is the best option.

2) ASAP, find out whether WALLACE can play RT in the NFL. Start him for a few games. If that doesn't work, we would need to move Onwenu back to RT for the remainder of the year.
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This season is about evaluation. We now know a lot about Robinson. Now we need to know more about Wallace.

1) For who?
2) He can't play LT. I'm not sure RT will be much better.

 

[mgteich]

1) For who?
2) He can't play LT. I'm not sure RT will be much better.

1) Sow or Jordan (or Onwenu if we play Wallace at RT)
2) Wallace has played years as a top-quality RT and has had no experience at LT. So, I think Wallace was a reasonable draftee as a RT prospect. We have Wallace on the team for 3 years. We need to evaluate whether he is a starting RT. If so, Onwenu can move to RG.
We have learned that Wallace can't play LT, so he shouldn't be considered for the role of swing OT.

The difference evaluation is huge. If he is a solid starting RT, either this year or next, this was a very successful pick. If he is at beast a backup RT, the pick was essentially a failure.

 

[upstater1]

Straight up, if we are in the top 3 again, The Pats should get a king's ransom from a QB-needy team.

for what QB?

 

[upstater1]

Something that has been bothering me since the Belichick days is this dancing chairs in the OL, they draft players from a position trying to fill others, it's nice to have some flexibility but the guy played a position in college (and probably before that) for a reason, are they trying to be the smartest people in the room assuming college coaches don't know sh.it?

Then they give Owmenu a payday and have to put him at tackle to justify that? Weakening the whole right side that was less a concern compared to left. Guards get paid too in these days, if he was worth the new contract pay him to play RG and solidify that position, and then, WTF you draft a RG only player in the draft right after that?

How about this advice, draft a RG to play RG. If you already have one, this is a waste of a draft pick. Draft a RT to play RT, if somehow 2 or 3 years down the road he develops some skills to play at left, then that's a nice to have but don't count on that, draft LTs to play on the left.

Wallace started at LT as a freshman.

He was beaten out at that position as a Sophomore, so they moved him to RT.

So it wasn't necessarily that college coaches evaluated him as a RT.

They actually placed him at LT to start.

He was just beaten out at that position by a younger player.

All that being said, he wasn't a stand out at PSU. Honestly I thought he was going to go undrafted.

And watching him p0lay LT I am very, very concerned he can't move much out there. Seems really strong and he anchors well, but he has next to ZERO lateral movement.

 

[dliverey44]

It was his first game at LT and it wasn't any worse than Lowe. I do want to see him at RT, but that is so we can move Owenu to RG. Let Lowe, Jacobs, Jones and Thomas fight to be the worst starting LT in the NFL.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Let Lowe, Jacobs, Jones and Thomas fight to be the worst starting LT in the NFL.

Hilarious.

 

[ZotZot]

for what QB?

There will be risers by the time the combine ends. Nobody thought all of those QBs would have been drafted in rd1 of this past draft. The Giants and Raiders still need a QB and will probably win too many games to draft high enough

 

[upstater1]

There will be risers by the time the combine ends. Nobody thought all of those QBs would have been drafted in rd1 of this past draft. The Giants and Raiders still need a QB and will probably win too many games to draft high enough

The top guys were really pinned as top players long before the season. Penix and Nix were risers but I don't think they have much value in trading up

 

[n1997y]

Something that has been bothering me since the Belichick days is this dancing chairs in the OL, they draft players from a position trying to fill others, it's nice to have some flexibility but the guy played a position in college (and probably before that) for a reason, are they trying to be the smartest people in the room assuming college coaches don't know sh.it?

Sometimes you don’t have to be the smartest guy in the room to recognize that where a prospect played in college wasn’t about him it was about where his coach had a hole in the roster that he needed to fill. It might not be what the player was best at, but he was the best option available to fill that hole. In fact, doesn’t that sound like what the Pats have been trying to do, fill holes with players who aren’t really good fits but are the least bad of available options?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

get new o-line scouts

 

[Ring 6]

1) Sow or Jordan (or Onwenu if we play Wallace at RT)
2) Wallace has played years as a top-quality RT and has had no experience at LT. So, I think Wallace was a reasonable draftee as a RT prospect. We have Wallace on the team for 3 years. We need to evaluate whether he is a starting RT. If so, Onwenu can move to RG.
We have learned that Wallace can't play LT, so he shouldn't be considered for the role of swing OT.

The difference evaluation is huge. If he is a solid starting RT, either this year or next, this was a very successful pick. If he is at beast a backup RT, the pick was essentially a failure.

Sow is injured and Jordan is already playing LG.

If Wallace can’t pass block at an NFL caliber why would that be different at RT?
Yiu say he has been a RT his entire life, then give up on him after 1 game at LT when frankly he was probably better than anyone ever played there this year for most of the game.

Where is this embarrassment of riches on the bench that causes you to give up in your highest drafted OL after 1 game?

 

[Ring 6]

Sometimes you don’t have to be the smartest guy in the room to recognize that where a prospect played in college wasn’t about him it was about where his coach had a hole in the roster that he needed to fill. It might not be what the player was best at, but he was the best option available to fill that hole. In fact, doesn’t that sound like what the Pats have been trying to do, fill holes with players who aren’t really good fits but are the least bad of available options?

And the NFL is different than college

 

[stinkypete]

Wallace is a rookie OL playing on a line that lacks anything resembling a LT, has its best player out of position (Onwenu), and its second best player injured (Sow).

Let's give this a few weeks before making any blanket statements that the kid can't play.

Though I agree, getting Onwenu back to RG should be a priority.

 

[signbabybrady]

Sow is injured and Jordan is already playing LG.

If Wallace can’t pass block at an NFL caliber why would that be different at RT?
Yiu say he has been a RT his entire life, then give up on him after 1 game at LT when frankly he was probably better than anyone ever played there this year for most of the game.

Where is this embarrassment of riches on the bench that causes you to give up in your highest drafted OL after 1 game?

Not all players can manage the footwork on both sides of the line some are just better at one than the other.

Also people want to get him back on the right so we can kick Onwenwu back to guard.

All that said I'm not against keeping Wallace on the left. I think if it all works out our best combo is probably Wallace, Strange, Andrews, Sow, Onwenwu. And as you point out we need to give it more of a try than 1 week.

This requires Wallace to get comfortable on the left and Onwenwu to play RT like he did last year he seems to be having a harder time this year. If one of those things don't happen we might need to insert Lowe back at LT and/or switch Wallace to RT and Onwenwu back to LG.

And they absolutely need make these choices with conviction and urgency as all of the shuffling is definitely not helping.

 

[ZotZot]

The top guys were really pinned as top players long before the season. Penix and Nix were risers but I don't think they have much value in trading up

We will still be in QB draftpick territory with a QB, and teams will want to move up. JJ shot up the moon for the draft too and we already know the Giants tried to move up this year. If we draft ahead of the Giants, they will have to talk to us to ensure they get a QB

If we are #1 or #2 overall bad, that pick definitely will get traded for a boat load