Content Post Offensive Line AND QB/WR Tape Review Seattle

[Ross12]

We saw in the preseason - teams blitzed Maye and he almost instantaneously hit the RB out of the backfield for a 10+ yard gain. Brissett seems to require at least 1.5 seconds to think before he is ready to throw.

 

[Ross12]

i am hearing strange is a better fit for LT. maybe we start to get Strange i reps at LT and backup center and see how it goes. sow is going to the left guard of future. and no way we sign strange to 5th year contract next year.

it might be to his benefit to look to switch places or get traded in 2025.

lowe/strange, Sow, andrews,onwenu, wallce is the best talent and we have jordan, robinson and strange as backups. get jakobs trained so that he can be the 9th guy.

and every team has issues with Oline. its all about the QB and which qb can scramble out of pocket make some time and pass dimes. all the good ones are able to do that. hopefully Maye can do that as well.

Strange has the body to be an LT but I personally think they are going to try to convert him into a center. The fact of the matter is that Andrews is getting old and they don't have a clear heir apparent there. Strange is very athletic and may make for a solid center with practice.

 

[KCSVEN]

Appreciate the analysis, couple questions:

When sow returns would you have him replace jordan or robinson if robinson is still getting beat the same rate in pass blocking and hasn’t shown improvement there by then? I love robinson in the run game but if maye is coming in should we prioritize pass blocking?

I guess strange’s starus also plays a role here and whether he can contribute by midseason.

Robinson has been weaker on pass pro so needs to replace him

 

[KCSVEN]

Not true? Coach Mayo is on the Greg Hill show right now saying Jacoby was running for his life.



Who should we believe, coach Mayo, our eyes… or some slapdick analytics? He got sacked three times and only threw 27 passes… just stop. The line stinks.

He agrees with me completely he says they were average in pass protection, good run blocking which is pretty much what I said

 

[KCSVEN]

When A-22 gets out, can you review WR as well? I would be interested in their separation

I will do The QB and wide receivers when the all 22 two comes out should be tomorrow on NFL plus

 

[upstater1]

One thing most fans never write about or appreciate is how much the defense backs off when the QB can hurt them a little bit. If Drake Maye can show accuracy downfield, it will improve the OL play. You saw Brissett getting blitzed and attacked early, but he countered all that with throws to Henry, which is why they backed off. And this explains the great OL play in the first half.

But then the Seahawks adjusted to Henry in the 2nd half, and they slowly started attacking more and more, which is why the play became spotty.

If the QB can hurt you, the OL looks 100% better.

 

[KCSVEN]

Pressure rate was 50%. That’s just unacceptable. Stop trying to die on this hill.

Yeah, but what’s the context in that, I’m sure two of those were from the guy going around Jacoby, which really wasn’t a pressure he just had to barely step up and two of the pressures were on screen passes, and one was on the play that was set up to have a free rusher on a bootleg
I’m sure they called the pressure on the double cornerback blitz but both guys are actually blocked pretty well and it left the guy wide open
If You’re not going shotgun and dropping back 30 times a game like some teams The pressure rate number isn’t always indicative of the offensive line.
Nobody saying they were good, they were good run blocking, and they were average in pass protection, and the biggest culprits were Robinson and Onwenu.
Tampa Bay was around the 16-17th ranked offensive line in several rankings coming into season so they are considered middle of the pack with an all pro LT and they were worse than the Patriots line yesterday, I don’t think people realize how often the defensive line wins in the NFL

 

[mike_usagisan]

Yeah, but what’s the context in that, I’m sure two of those were from the guy going around Jacoby, which really wasn’t a pressure he just had to barely step up and two of the pressures were on screen passes, and one was on the play that was set up to have a free rusher on a bootleg
I’m sure they called the pressure on the double cornerback blitz but both guys are actually blocked pretty well and it left the guy wide open
If You’re not going shotgun and dropping back 30 times a game like some teams The pressure rate number isn’t always indicative of the offensive line.
Nobody saying they were good, they were good run blocking, and they were averaging pass protection, and the biggest culprits were Robinson and Onwenu.
Tampa Bay was around the 16-17th ranked offensive line in several rankings coming into season so they are considered middle of the pack with an all pro LT and they were worse than the Patriots line yesterday, I don’t think people realize how often the defensive line wins in the NFL

I think part of it is most people, when they're complaining about the line, aren't talking about the run blocking. So you saying that they're good at run blocking doesn't really address what they're complaining about. You're just being more precise.

Is an average pass-blocking line good enough? Not really. But it's what we've got.

And Maye is going to have to learn to process plays fast because we don't want him hanging onto the ball as long as Brissett because Brissett is getting pounded out there.

 

[KCSVEN]

Is an average pass-blocking line good enough? Not really. But it's what we've got.

Without a top QB, it's not good enough. With a top QB it might be, at least to be a playoff contention team, not a SB team.
Despite all the QB safety measures QB's get hurt because they take unprotected hits. But half the teams are dealing with Line issues.

I've kind of determined after looking at what teams win that a top 5 passing offenses always make the playoffs, once you are there you keep those QB/WR, OT and spend on a top 10 defense. If you can snare a star rb and second star wr like the 49ers all the better but having 3 top players at QB/WR/OT is a huge advantage. I think we have 1 of the 3, get the other 2 in the next year or 2.

Until you get a top 5 offense most of my major resources like top draft picks and free agency would go to that.
Of course, Christian Gonxalez or Micah Parsons drops to you then you got to take the best player when there is such a difference.

 

[dliverey44]

Since we have been talking about OL and QBs I found this to be relevant

 

[Zuma]

There seem to be several options when Sow returns.
1) Sow can replace Jordan.
2) Sow can replace Robinson.
3) Onwenu can replace Robinson, with Wallace starting at RT, and Jacobs at swing OT.

Lowe-Sow-Andrews-Onwenu-Wallace

Lowe has obviously improved. I think that could be an above average line.

 

[1960Pats]

Knowing Mayo, I am guessing he is reacting to what he saw from his POV and what Brissett was telling him. Once they do a deeper analysis I would imagine Van Pelt and Peters will say "Listen man, it's not actually as bad as the end result makes it look."

I also think that to a certain extent he needs to say this to defend Brissett, because otherwise the answer is "Yeah, Brissett didn't do his job but I'm gonna keep throwing him out there anyway even though we have the #3 overall pick on the bench."

Those are reasonable assumptions imo. I'm no expert but it didn't look as bad as some are making it out to be.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Without a top QB, it's not good enough. With a top QB it might be, at least to be a playoff contention team, not a SB team.
Despite all the QB safety measures QB's get hurt because they take unprotected hits. But half the teams are dealing with Line issues.

I've kind of determined after looking at what teams win that a top 5 passing offenses always make the playoffs, once you are there you keep those QB/WR, OT and spend on a top 10 defense. If you can snare a star rb and second star wr like the 49ers all the better but having 3 top players at QB/WR/OT is a huge advantage. I think we have 1 of the 3, get the other 2 in the next year or 2.

Until you get a top 5 offense most of my major resources like top draft picks and free agency would go to that.
Of course, Christian Gonxalez or Micah Parsons drops to you then you got to take the best player when there is such a difference.

Agreed. But as has been talked about a lot, we just weren't able to get the line where we need it to be this year. Hopefully we'll have the means to make it much better next year.

But yeah, we need to find out what we have in a passing attack with Maye.

 

[Triumph]

Brissett seems to require at least 1.5 seconds to think before he is ready to throw.

Reactionary passing QB.

 

[Water Boy]

If I'm not mistaken, Lowe gave up just one sack to Boye Mafi, which was largely attributable to the secondary.

Hell of a job IMO.

 

[Ross12]

If I'm not mistaken, Lowe gave up just one sack to Boye Mafi, which was largely attributable to the secondary.

Hell of a job IMO.

Lowe has actually been fine. The issues have been other guys

 

[reflexblue]

Not true? Coach Mayo is on the Greg Hill show right now saying Jacoby was running for his life.



Who should we believe, coach Mayo, our eyes… or some slapdick analytics? He got sacked three times and only threw 27 passes… just stop. The line stinks.

Ill go with extra mayo, i only saw the second half while the run blocking was good briscket was constantly under pressure and scrambling around. I don't want to see Maye turn into Mac who was shell shocked after his first couple of years

 

[patfanken]

The bottom line here is that, DESPITE having all the question marks on the OL that have be discussed ad nauseum since July, that DESPITE the fact there are new coaches who are trying to introduce a new offense, new blocking scheme with a new QB and a rookie backup, there are 14 teams in the NFL who have the same or worse results in giving up sacks INCLUDING teams who "supposedly" entered the season with OL's that were considered good, like the Jets, Bears, and Vikings who were all in the top 5 of the league in giving up sacks.

This OL is still in a state of flux as far as a set starting 5 and, no doubt, needs to get better. That said, given all the obstacles noted above, I think we can agree that the OL THIS week was marginally slightly better than the first. And we have a very reasonable expectation that it will be a little better next week.

The REAL reason we lost this game was more about the 7 points we lost due to the blocked kick and mistakes in the red zone. BTW, for those calling for Maye. PLEASE look at the results that Williams and McDaniels have done over their first 2 games and be glad that Maye has yet to be put into that mess. Remember that those 2 guys have 2-3 more years' experience than Drake.

 

[Wozzy]

Knowing Mayo, I am guessing he is reacting to what he saw from his POV and what Brissett was telling him. Once they do a deeper analysis I would imagine Van Pelt and Peters will say "Listen man, it's not actually as bad as the end result makes it look."

I also think that to a certain extent he needs to say this to defend Brissett, because otherwise the answer is "Yeah, Brissett didn't do his job but I'm gonna keep throwing him out there anyway even though we have the #3 overall pick on the bench."

He wasn't being complimentary or defending Jacoby... the guy got sacked three times and only threw it 27 times.

More importantly when the Seahawks knew they were going to pass, and this is an important distinction, on third and long or late in the game when they only had a minute on the clock to traverse the entire field... they got slaughtered, the offensive line turned to tissue paper. Great teams can line up in max protect and still give their QB time, even when the defense knows they're passing and bringing the house.

This idea our line is good or not bad is silly. The next two games are going to be eye opening and posts like these above are going to look silly.

 

[mgteich]

i am hearing strange is a better fit for LT. .

from whom?