Does Kraft belong in the NFL hall of fame

[Wozzy]

If you don’t think BB is 100% aware of what people say about him regarding his career as an HC without Brady, and that he is desperate to change that narrative, then you’re a fool.

Bill has a 24 year old cheerleader girlfriend, he's earned roughly 70M, he has one more ring on his hand than Brady has.

If you think BB reads the dreck you trolls write you're a fool. Laughable...

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Bill has a 24 year old cheerleader girlfriend, he's earned roughly 70M, he has one more ring on his hand than Brady has.

If you think BB reads the dreck you trolls write you're a fool. Laughable...

Wasn't BB making $20M and then $25M a year? I think $70M in earnings is low.

 

[Wozzy]

Wasn't BB making $20M and then $25M a year? I think $70M in earnings is low.

I just googled his net worth, probably closer to 100M but who knows. 24 year old cheerleaders are probably expensive.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I just googled his net worth, probably closer to 100M but who knows. 24 year old cheerleaders are probably expensive.

You said "earned", that means before taxes. Net Worth means after taxes. So if Net Worth is $100M, then Earned is about $175m.

 

[XLIX]

Bill has a 24 year old cheerleader girlfriend, he's earned roughly 70M, he has one more ring on his hand than Brady has.

If you think BB reads the dreck you trolls write you're a fool. Laughable...

If you don’t think BB is 100% aware of what people say about him regarding his career as an HC without Brady, and that he is desperate to change that narrative, then you’re a fool.

All the 24 year old girlfriends in the world won't change that, and it sure as heck ain't about money. You're a moron for even bringing that up.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Yes. He's hired 3 straight coaches with a winning record, 6 Lombardi's, 10 Super Bowl trips and is one of the most valuable sports franchises in the US.

 

[Wozzy]

If you don’t think BB is 100% aware of what people say about him regarding his career as an HC without Brady, and that he is desperate to change that narrative, then you’re a fool.

All the 24 year old girlfriends in the world won't change that, and it sure as heck ain't about money. You're a moron for even bringing that up.

You’re a silly little man.

 

[1960Pats]

When it comes to Football Contributors, the focus is, or should be if you will, on what have they done to better the game. what has made an impact. Who is responsible. That has come hand in hand with increased revenues, but its not always about just money. Krafts steadying influence on this franchise alone makes him worthy of the distinction of enshrinement. Now add everything else he's done, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't he in.

Why are contributors nominated and enshrined? Because the game is more than what happens on the field.

and yes, ring6, aka andyjohnson.

You go right ahead and judge him by what he writes. That will work out well, right up to the point you disagree with him on something. Then Captain Lastword will show you his mettle... so yes, I do did indeed mock him. Funny enough, he's the only one here who merits that distinction.

Ring6 doesn't usually get personal and takes any argument and make his points. I remember comparing him once to a kung fu warrior who takes on a dozen fighters at a time.

My feeling on the HOF for owners stems from the fact that what I respect the most about pro football is what happens on the field. It's the only reason I watch and why I don't care at all about things that happen off the field. That's why I rank the players (and coaches to a lesser degree) more important to a team than the owner.

 

[madmarcus1960]

Single biggest financial event in modern NFL history was due to Kraft, the 2011 lockout ending. Even Jeff Saturday claims it wouldn't have happened w/o Kraft. That and the teams 2 decade legacy should qualify him as a builder, or take all builders out.( all HOF's have builders section.

4 Negotiation Tactics Robert Kraft Used to End the NFL Lockout

Kraft employed four key negotiation tactics to help the players and owners come to a "win-win" solution during the NFL lockout.

www.pon.harvard.edu

 

[Pape]

Ring6 doesn't usually get personal and takes any argument and make his points. I remember comparing him once to a kung fu warrior who takes on a dozen fighters at a time.

My feeling on the HOF for owners stems from the fact that what I respect the most about pro football is what happens on the field. It's the only reason I watch and why I don't care at all about things that happen off the field. That's why I rank the players (and coaches to a lesser degree) more important to a team than the owner.

yeah, I'm not going to debate Ring6/Andy Johnson. I think my feelings are pretty clear. If they aren't, pm me and i shall provide you with an invective filled screed free of charge.

and you are right - the players deserve the lions share of the accolades, and i am not going to argue that point. I will just say that the Hall of Fame decided from the beginning to have a contributor category, which includes owners, in the Hall of Fame. If you say that they don't belong, you are just flat out wrong. There is no argument to be had, or made, to refute that. The founders of the Hall of Fame made the decision, and Owners have been represented from the beginning.

There are 31 contributors in the HoF. 19 of them are owners... and its understood that some of these guys were league or team founders, players, coaches, administrators etc. Some of them are just listed as "Owner"... The guys in the Hall: Bert Bell, Charles Bidwell, Pat Bowlen, Paul Brown, Joseph Carr, Jimmy Conzelman, Al Davis, Eddie DeBartolo Jr, George Halas, Lamar Hunt, Jerry Jones, Curly Lambeau, Tim Mara, Wellington Mara, George Marshall, Dan Reeves, Art Rooney, Dan Rooney & Ralph Wilson.

It is clear the HoF that owners are eligible and worthy of enshrinement. Whether or not anyone agrees of disagrees with the policy. It borders on criminal that the petty ******** politics of the nomination committe is keeping him out... Hes just another Patriot on the list who should be in the Hall but has been denied that honor... The most successful dynasty in the History of the NFL, which had to deal with free agency, the salary cap, pointless excursions into witchhunts fueled by petty rivalries and jealousy has what? 2 players in the Hall Ty Law and Richard Seymour (I don't count Moss, Revis or Seau as Patriots). Thats insulting.

It is my opinion that Robert Kraft belongs in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Thelonious]

Of course he does.

 

[maust]

yeah, I'm not going to debate Ring6/Andy Johnson. I think my feelings are pretty clear. If they aren't, pm me and i shall provide you with an invective filled screed free of charge.

and you are right - the players deserve the lions share of the accolades, and i am not going to argue that point. I will just say that the Hall of Fame decided from the beginning to have a contributor category, which includes owners, in the Hall of Fame. If you say that they don't belong, you are just flat out wrong. There is no argument to be had, or made, to refute that. The founders of the Hall of Fame made the decision, and Owners have been represented from the beginning.

There are 31 contributors in the HoF. 19 of them are owners... and its understood that some of these guys were league or team founders, players, coaches, administrators etc. Some of them are just listed as "Owner"... The guys in the Hall: Bert Bell, Charles Bidwell, Pat Bowlen, Paul Brown, Joseph Carr, Jimmy Conzelman, Al Davis, Eddie DeBartolo Jr, George Halas, Lamar Hunt, Jerry Jones, Curly Lambeau, Tim Mara, Wellington Mara, George Marshall, Dan Reeves, Art Rooney, Dan Rooney & Ralph Wilson.

It is clear the HoF that owners are eligible and worthy of enshrinement. Whether or not anyone agrees of disagrees with the policy. It borders on criminal that the petty ******** politics of the nomination committe is keeping him out... Hes just another Patriot on the list who should be in the Hall but has been denied that honor... The most successful dynasty in the History of the NFL, which had to deal with free agency, the salary cap, pointless excursions into witchhunts fueled by petty rivalries and jealousy has what? 2 players in the Hall Ty Law and Richard Seymour (I don't count Moss, Revis or Seau as Patriots). Thats insulting.

It is my opinion that Robert Kraft belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Your core point is correct, the owners don't belong argument is moot in so far as whether or not Kraft is HoF worthy. Owners were and are elligible for enshrinement and as such a simple look at Krafty Bob in comparison to his peers and previous enshrinees tells the story, in so far as any current owner belongs in th HoF Kraft does. Kraft's s closest 'comp' on your list is Pat Bowlen. Like Kraft he was not a founder or a legacy owner and he never served his team performing any day to day function other than as owner/CEO. This is from his write up at the HoF:

'Bowlen is the only owner in NFL history to achieve 300 overall victories during his first 30 seasons. Under his leadership, the Broncos had an incredible run of success. The franchise has won three Super Bowls – XXXII, XXXIII and 50. The Broncos also claimed seven AFC championships under Bowlen (1986, 1987, 1989, 1997, 1998, 2013 and 2015)'

From a competitve standpoint it's not even close. Kraft's team won more games in his first 30 years of ownership, 320 to 301. Kraft's team also won twice the number of Super Bowls and 3 more AFC championships. In the Super Bowl era no other owner comes close to the level of success Kraft has had. That alone, without any of his success on the business side for the league or team should surely be enough to guarantee his enshrinement. No reasonable argument can be made that Krafty Bob is not the most successful owner of of the SB era not already in the HoF and in fact he runs rings around some owners that are already there.

 

[signbabybrady]

yeah, I'm not going to debate Ring6/Andy Johnson. I think my feelings are pretty clear. If they aren't, pm me and i shall provide you with an invective filled screed free of charge.

and you are right - the players deserve the lions share of the accolades, and i am not going to argue that point. I will just say that the Hall of Fame decided from the beginning to have a contributor category, which includes owners, in the Hall of Fame. If you say that they don't belong, you are just flat out wrong. There is no argument to be had, or made, to refute that. The founders of the Hall of Fame made the decision, and Owners have been represented from the beginning.

There are 31 contributors in the HoF. 19 of them are owners... and its understood that some of these guys were league or team founders, players, coaches, administrators etc. Some of them are just listed as "Owner"... The guys in the Hall: Bert Bell, Charles Bidwell, Pat Bowlen, Paul Brown, Joseph Carr, Jimmy Conzelman, Al Davis, Eddie DeBartolo Jr, George Halas, Lamar Hunt, Jerry Jones, Curly Lambeau, Tim Mara, Wellington Mara, George Marshall, Dan Reeves, Art Rooney, Dan Rooney & Ralph Wilson.

It is clear the HoF that owners are eligible and worthy of enshrinement. Whether or not anyone agrees of disagrees with the policy. It borders on criminal that the petty ******** politics of the nomination committe is keeping him out... Hes just another Patriot on the list who should be in the Hall but has been denied that honor... The most successful dynasty in the History of the NFL, which had to deal with free agency, the salary cap, pointless excursions into witchhunts fueled by petty rivalries and jealousy has what? 2 players in the Hall Ty Law and Richard Seymour (I don't count Moss, Revis or Seau as Patriots). Thats insulting.

It is my opinion that Robert Kraft belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Everything you just said times 2

 

[XLIX]

You’re a silly little man.

And you're a stupid little child if you don't think Belichick cares very deeply about his place in history, his coaching legacy and is very much aware what people say about him without Brady.

 

[XLIX]

Ring6 doesn't usually get personal and takes any argument and make his points. I remember comparing him once to a kung fu warrior who takes on a dozen fighters at a time.

That's what he enjoys doing, but he has to troll to do it. He says things which even he isn't stupid enough to believe, but he does it to get everyone riled up..... which is why I put him in my ignore file quite a while ago. Others should do the same.

 

[maust]

That's what he enjoys doing, but he has to troll to do it. He says things which even he isn't stupid enough to believe, but he does it to get everyone riled up..... which is why I put him in my ignore file quite a while ago. Others should do the same.

I know I'm not the only one that finds placing someone on universal ignore can mess with the dialogue in a thread. But I recently discovered the advantages of Ian's mute convo between two members in a thread function and that good sir is worth investigating.

 

[Kdo5]

'Winners write history': Inside Robert Kraft's 12-year Hall of Fame quest

Patriots owner Robert Kraft has an $11 billion empire and six Super Bowl rings but no Hall of Fame jacket.

www.espn.com

I'd say for sure. I wonder though what's keeping him out. Petty jealousies between owners or the NFL writers.

Yeah but I also don’t care about his HoF bid.

 

[maust]

Yeah but I also don’t care about his HoF bid.

I can completely understand not giving a damn about it, I only care about the intellectual argument portion of the discussion. It's not like The Steamer or Rodney getting screwed. The only 'contributors' I gave a rat's ass about getting in were Tom Flores and Don Coryell.

 

[Thelonious]

I’ll go against the grain : I would say no. While I understand the “other owners comparison” - just because they are unjustly in the Hall, doesn’t mean Kraft should be in.

Vanity that owners are in. They have no business there. But, in the end, HoFs aren’t really that important so who cares ?

Evidently you cared enough to post this rambling drivel.

 

[farn]

Evidently you cared enough to post this rambling drivel.

Heehee. I hope you and Mr Kraft are very happy together. I won’t be at the wedding, but please find money enclosed as our gift to you on your special day.